My knife can change school policy!!!

AntDog said:
The guard was literally going to arrest me for carrying my 3" folder into the school to drop off my son's lunch.... He spotted the clip and went "defense code alpha"!
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This is absolutely appalling. With liberty and jitters for all.

I kid you not, a cop drew his weapon on my wife and I during a routine stop for a burned out tail light in our minivan. He didn't like the fact that we drove into a strip mall parking lot so that he didn't have to stand out in traffic. So he made us put our hands out the window while he pointed his gun at us.
 
That's a cute little girl. It's amazing how they'll civilize you in't it.

Darn, someone beat me to the zero tolerance/Zero Tolerance reference.

That is a bit of a tempest in a teapot with only a cut up apple for evidence. If it's a good school I'm sure you'll blow it off though.
 
Sonnydaze said:
killgar...Good Stuff!
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Thanks. I try to contribute. :)

I just hate to think that parents are denying themselves their legal right to carry a knife on school campus because they are worried about what school policy says. School policy is for students and faculty. Students can be expelled and faculty can be fired. All parents have to worry about is what THE LAW says.
 
AntDog said:
Unbelievable how things have changed.

Me and all of my friends were excellent fishermen by that time, and budding to veteran hunters. I would think the school would have had a much bigger problem with the .30-.30 and 12 gauge I had in my gun rack in the parking lot, but they didn't.

Ah, that was a simpler time. Kids were trusted. Instead of being raised by video games and sitting on the couch. Kids changed, society changed, so the rules changed.
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When I was in third grade (1969), I would go home get my shot gun, and walk out the front door, with out asking for permission. I loved dove hunting season, those were good times.
Oh - and I carried a knife to school everyday..... :)

Some of my take on this, kids are crazier? But what they should do, is make every kid carry a pocket knife when they start first grade. That way as they grow up, we can teach responsibility. And find the kids that do have issues, and help them with those issues. So when he gets to eighth grade, he won't be flipping out and wanting to stab or shoot someone.
Just my thoughts.
 
JarrodS said:
I didn't. I knew exactly what it was going to be from the title.

So - if a nail needs nailing, how do they do it? A hammer is a dangerous weapon. Scissors? Pencils for crying out loud?

This may seem like a small thing, but it's really not. The terrorists and nut-job shooters have won. As a society we are terrified of everything now. History teaches that when a society experiences fear, that is when it is most vulnerable to facism. It's happening right before our eyes. We need to wake up.

Also, do you think the guy who intends to harm people is going to follow this stupid facist rule? Fearful people can be so goddamn dumb in their quest to make themselves feel all snuggie in their beds.
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This^

In agreement of what is stated above, I found this story to be quite troubling.
We are indeed heading in the wrong direction as a society, and I wonder constantly wether or not we've stumbled too far down the rabbit hole already.
 
This thread barely has to do with knives anymore so I'll only make these comments,

Let's face it, society is addicted to screens of any kind. Both our attitudes and beliefs are shaped more by media than any of us realize or will admit and we allow it to occur.

Walk into any doctor's office or through an airport and observe the people staring numbly at muted screens as The Price is Right parades its weirdos or Wolf Blitzer exhibits his two facial expressions. And they can stare for hours.​

The seminal moment and root of the problems under discussion here was that beginning about 25 years ago local TV anchors began convincing people that disciplining your child is child abuse. The concept spread. We bought it. For the results, just look around.

Insofar as gushing over our children, I do it too. However, I keep one thing in mind in order not to become a boor:

Your kid, your car, your house, your dog...no one else thinks they're as lovely as you do.​

So I keep it discreet---and tend to keep my gushing on a non "public forum" basis. I love my offspring too...can we get back to knives now?
 
pinnah said:
Schools and other places like that ban them because, surprise, surprise, people use them as weapons there.
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Nope.
I'm not that old, and when I was in elementary school, most of the boys had a pocketknife of some sort.
We punched each other in the face, plus kicks to the balls and thrown rocks were not uncommon.
But no one pulled out a knife.
 
I'm sorry, just don't buy into the zero tolerance thing. To me, zero tolerance is a cop out so the idiots in charge do not have to actually engage their undersize brains and judge each case in itself. God forbid some county or city drone may have to make a decision, instead of falling back to the robotic response of quoting the zero tolerance rule.

As for their wanting to cover their own butt if some little misguided daring brings a knife to school and sticks one of his classmates, hogwash. Here's a novel idea, grab the little son-of-a… and hand him over to the police and let him learn the consequences of his actions. And all his classmates will learn form the experience as well. We've raised a whole generation or two that has no idea of what personal responsibility means. Or the repercussions of the lack of it.

Add to the demonizing of an inanimate tool, and you have the end result of pulling the teeth of society at large. No personal responsibility, no learning to be independent instead of needing the cafeteria lady to slice up your kids apple. At this rate, why let them get a drivers license at 16. Why not just have them chauffeured about in the back seat of a special cab cocooned with mattresses in the back seat?

You teach your kids to be safe by teaching them early how to deal with life and all the little problems that will come their way as they grow up. Not by creating an artificial safe zone for them. Here's a bit of bad news, life ain't Mr. Rogers neighborhood. Bad stuff happens sometimes, and you have to be able to stand on your own two feet. I see 20 somethings today that are the end product of this kind of horse hockey, and they are a poor sort of adult. Young men not knowing how to even check the oil in their car, or change a tire.

We are creating a monster in the name of zero tolerance. Knives are man's second oldest tool, and even kids should know how to use one to slice up an apple or peel and orange. No wonder so many are being home schooled these days.
 
so they can't provide a cup of those disposable plastic knives for parents to cut their kids' apples, if they'd like? so that they're fresh, better tasting, more appealing to small children, and don't oxidize the fruit, which many believe to negatively change the nutritional value of the fruit? I love that you made an impact, and that everything was cool after that, but still man.
It's one of those situations where there's always going to be something to say about it. Hahaha :D
 
stabman said:
Nope.
I'm not that old, and when I was in elementary school, most of the boys had a pocketknife of some sort.
We punched each other in the face, plus kicks to the balls and thrown rocks were not uncommon.
But no one pulled out a knife.
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Today they do, brother, today they do. I work in public schools and see/hear this often enough. This same symptom is visible throughout society, including law enforcement; anger or disagreement is met with lethal force.
 
pinnah said:
This is the first line from Zero Tolerance's own web site.


See: http://www.ztknives.us/

Please get over this. Heavy rocks are weapons and have been designed as weapons since the beginning. Schools and other places like that ban them because, surprise, surprise, people use them as weapons there.
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Brilliant reasoning.
Any object that can potentially be used as a weapon is a weapon.
Pencils and toothbrushes are commonly used in prisons as weapons, so please, just accept the fact that pencils and toothbrushes are dangerous weapons.
 
Idlewild said:
There must be a zero tolerance for some behaviors and actions within a school setting and the rules which are in place have been developed through experience. Every parent should be thankful that their youngsters are in a safe and caring environment when at school.
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Of all the posts in this thread I must take exception to this.

No, it isn't true there MUST be zero tolerance on some behaviors and actions within a school setting.

Funny thing about 'rules'....

Teachers are basically managers in classroom settings. I too have been a 'manager' in a number of different fields. One of my management beliefs is that mangers exist to make exceptions to all-encompassing, absolute and lengthy posted or published rules and regulations. Otherwise, we could just post the rules on the wall and go home---violators fired immediately. Who would need managers?​

The development of 'zero tolerance' policies toward rules (i.e. no exceptions---violations result in automatic, irrevocable and pre-determined sanctions) is IMO a cop out leading to the legitimized shirking of judgement and decision making by so-called "management" based on circumstance, the individual involved and happenstance. It's just easier.

You, Idlewild, reside in a country where your government is distrustful of its subjects where firearms and knives are concerned. A country which agrees to join a coalition of freedom fighting nations only so long as it's subjects are not involved in anything that resembles combat...."supportive role only or we don't participate at all; but we want full credit as a partner." Perhaps these fear-based ideas of yours, compared to mine, show the differences that can result from national mindset.

As far as being "thankful that their youngsters are in a safe and caring environment when at school," maybe I should be. But, frankly, I look at it this way:

The existence of the schools and the very jobs of the teachers and administrators is/are made possible only by the sweat and labor of the citizens whose taxes fund your chosen profession's very existence. While I am highly APPRECIATIVE of the job teachers and administrators do, as well as the difficulties involved in working with children, I keep 'who should be thankful to whom' in perspective.​

I can only shake my head as you not only condone the 'no tolerance" concept but wish to further it. IMO your thinking is facile.
 
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Nowadays I'd be more worried about pedophiles that work for the school system than pocket knives.In this part of the country every damn month at least one is in the news.:barf::barf:
 
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