Natrix Copper

Thank You fixall!!! Copper.. This will be my first with this handle.. I like the whole package..:thumbsup: Handle/steel/blade finish/size.. And it will see plenty of pocket time and use..:D John:)
 
Anyone heard anything about these? I pre-ordered one back in March but haven’t heard anything yet, except for my weekly “we haven’t forgotten you” email
 
I love copper, so I've really been looking forward to this one. But not sure how I feel about it being downsized from the original Natrix. It was already on the smaller side of what I like to carry as primary. And as secondary blade I prefer to be very light and not add unneeded weight. But more likely than not I will be trying one out.

I have a tendency to continually refresh the copper patina. Maybe because it happens so fast with copper. The Lumintop Prince light on the left had a very dark, almost black and blue finish just two days ago. I used a little silver cleaner on it and gave it a quick buff. Almost as new again. And now I can watch it morph all over again. Since it gets used daily for at least a few minutes, chances are it'll be fairly dark again within a month.

That Ka-Bar Barlow has only been polished up a few times. It's just starting out again also.

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Ok, just for fun, I attempted a de-assist of my regular Natrix. No milk for me....it was an udder failure. The pivot area is very weak, and tiny bronze washers hardly adequate. So it really needs the strong torsion bar simply to overtake all of the built-in friction in the poor pivot design.

While I had it out, I noticed that one side of the blade stop pin had almost completely blown out the scale material holding it in place. I'm an admitted fidget flipper with my knives. But this on had not been off the shelf much, and only carried a few days. I'm confident that there are way less than 100 flips on this sample. And most likely under 50 total. I'm just going to call this poor overall design/engineering. Thin g10 is not really adequate for primary structural use, and with high impact points such as a spring assisted blade slamming into a pin floating on fiber weak points.

The other thing I noticed, was that in order to fine tune the lockup on my sample (or at least try to remove early onset lock rock), was that the lock face was peened over badly creating a weak thin point of contact.

I know these issues may not even be an issue with different materials such as copper and d2, but it's still making me rethink my auto-purchase mindset when they do come out. And I also know that the original Natrix price did not break the bank, but now seeing under the hood, I'd think this model should be priced no more that an average Rough Rider modern flipper, approx $10 full retail.

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SoCalEDC said:
I've thought of all this..D2 steel, copper scales (that will turn brown oily over time from handling), and the ZT 0770.
yes , $60 isn't bad at all!
How many of you will really make this your main EDC though?
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Not me, because I doubt anything will take my CRK Inkosi out of my pocket for any real length of time, but for a week here or there, I have no problem carrying the copper natrix.
 
Mechanical Advantage said:
G10 should never be a structural material.
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Well... all I can say is pick up a Cold Steel (fill in blank here of model that has no liners). Study its assembly, engineering and execution. Note that the spring pivots are set in G10, not metal. Note that the lock is set in G10, not metal. Note that the assembly screws go straight into G10 and only G10, not through the scales and into a threaded hole in a metal liner.

Now, as I have done with my Amercian Lawman, take it out somewhere that you can use/abuse it as much as you want and see how well it holds up. Or, you could just watch one of the few hundred Cold Steel videos that show a great deal of their folding line being tortured, smashed, used to baton, used as throwing knives, and having massively stupid things done to them (including SHOOTING the knife blade of a American Lawman) to try to get some kind of failure.

Of course, eventually they do. But you can see the testing (FWIW) on the Tube by searching "tri ad lock test" and other related surfaces. It is ridiculous to see how much those knives go through at the hands of guys that simply want the knife to fail.

I admit, when I got my American Lawman (at the urging of a maker here on BF that likes work knives) I almost sent it back as I couldn't believe what they had done only G10 as the frame and liner. I thought sure the pivots would wallow out, become loose, or that the pins would move, or even that the screws that go straight into the G10 would lose their grip over time. No, no and no.

G10 is the stuff if the manufacturer/maker knows what they are doing with it.

Robert
 
bflying said:
I love copper, so I've really been looking forward to this one. But not sure how I feel about it being downsized from the original Natrix. It was already on the smaller side of what I like to carry as primary. And as secondary blade I prefer to be very light and not add unneeded weight. But more likely than not I will be trying one out.

I have a tendency to continually refresh the copper patina. Maybe because it happens so fast with copper. The Lumintop Prince light on the left had a very dark, almost black and blue finish just two days ago. I used a little silver cleaner on it and gave it a quick buff. Almost as new again. And now I can watch it morph all over again. Since it gets used daily for at least a few minutes, chances are it'll be fairly dark again within a month.

That Ka-Bar Barlow has only been polished up a few times. It's just starting out again also.

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Is that a Ferrum Forge Massdrop Gent with orange peel copper?
 
dkb45 said:
Is that a Ferrum Forge Massdrop Gent with orange peel copper?
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I saw his pics over at Massdrop. It’s a Gent with with hand peened (by him) scales. If I remember correctly, one side is made from a copper ingot, while the other made of sterling silver.

Pretty legit!
 
dkb45 said:
Is that a Ferrum Forge Massdrop Gent with orange peel copper?
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Yes it's a Gent. Fixall had it close. The copper was hammered out of an opened up copper pipe. The other side is hammered from .999 silver Bullion. After they were pounded down to the sheet metal like thickness I wanted (varies between 1/32"-1/64"), then the texture was added from a checkered roofing hammer. Took much longer than I anticipated. Especially the silver as I started with an ingot over a 1/4" thick. I keep saying that I'm going to make scales for the other side out of at least one material (think I like the copper best), but then the PTSD from the first round kicks in, and I move on to an easier project. :)

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I'm done waiting for this... I think I found something I'll like better, more utilitarian, more frugal, still has copper but a 1095 blade =-D and it has crazy history... the fact they still make these after more than 100 years is proof it works. Why don't we see more threads about them??

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dirc said:
I'm done waiting for this... I think I found something I'll like better, more utilitarian, more frugal, still has copper but a 1095 blade =-D and it has crazy history... the fact they still make these after more than 100 years is proof it works. Why don't we see more threads about them??

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Because you aren't looking. There have been about 4 threads about them in recent memory.
 
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