Need advice on transaction Please!

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parkertelmo said:
Regardless of what i should have used to ship, the package got there successfully and with no tears to the envelope. There was only one package and it made it to its destination now it is just the senders word against mine that i put in both knives and sheaths and tech lok vs him saying i only put in one sheath. I hate stealing, and the last thing i want on this forum i love is to screw someone over. I dont want to send back a refund before a check even clears to someone that very well could have my knives.
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Any word on when that check will or won't clear?
 
parkertelmo said:
Regardless of what i should have used to ship, the package got there successfully and with no tears to the envelope. There was only one package and it made it to its destination now it is just the senders word against mine that i put in both knives and sheaths and tech lok vs him saying i only put in one sheath. I hate stealing, and the last thing i want on this forum i love is to screw someone over. I dont want to send back a refund before a check even clears to someone that very well could have my knives.
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1st step is still the clearing of the check. After that if the envelope has not been tampered with, I would get a photo of the shipping label to verify that was the one you sent. After that you will just have to figure out what to do.
 
Shipping expensive knives in an envelope is just poor practice. I can see a low cost one; but not anything of value. It just does not offer the same amount of protection a box does. I think this has been discussed here many time in the past. Shipping plus insurance etc., is not worth the minimal cost savings to do the envelope.

If the check clears and the buyer has some pics of the pkg and label.............then it's possible this story could due a U-turn.
We'll see.
 
Nothing is 100% secure. Filing a claim for loss vs. the shipping insurance is the only resort.
 
1. parkertelmo states check still shows as pending to be cleared, yet cmac claims it is 100% cleared and demands money back immediately or threatens legal action. This seems fishy, even if cmac is a legit, stand-up guy.

2. cmac refuses by pm to deal with this as he's "not interested in forums", yet had no problem buying knives in a public forum under less than ideal (at his request) circumstances. This seems fishy, even if cmac is a legit, stand-up guy.

3. cmac claims that the package arrived intact and had the proper weight of one sheath paid for on the package, even though it was sent flat rate, with no weight measurements being taken or assigned. This seems fishy, even if cmac is a legit, stand-up guy.

4. cmac seems very insistent on getting money "back" and getting it FAST. This seems fishy, even if cmac is a legit, stand-up guy. Usually, a legit, stand-up guy will expect some investigating and clarification to be done before a refund is given that may not be due.

5. cmac is accusing a member who has 17 positive trade experiences of ripping him (a member with few posts and no feedback) off. It's possible, and no one starts with high post count and feedback, but rarely the way it works.

6 Who cares if it was sent in an envelope, a box, or an old sock? Companies located from Hong Kong to the US ship tens of thousands of packages a week in padded envelopes with no problem. For years, I received several rental DVDs a week in nothing more than an unpadded 6x9 Tyvek envelope with nary a break. I've had multiple vacuum tube-based headphone amplifiers (with tubes) shipped from Hong in padded envelopes without so much as a broken tube.
Just because you think the knife you're buying is mystical, it's no different than any other item shipped in similar packaging (and decidedly less fragile based on every discussion on this forum). It's not going to sneak out of the envelope and it is no more likely to be stolen by a USPS employee than any other item shipped the same way.

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out.

EDIT - If the envelope very obviously felt "wrong" (not tough to notice that it would be way too light since the only two knives bought were not in there), why was the envelope ever opened? Yet another thing that seems fishy...
 
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stonesell said:
I looked up how thieves open and reseal envelopes, and apparently it's easily done by freezing the envelope. Sealed envelope hack:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMRSCZvpU18
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If it's the USPS flat rate padded envelope I think it is, they are not like regular envelopes. There is a strip of plastic that is pulled to expose an adhesive strip. Once that adhesive strip makes contact with the other side of the envelope, there really is no other way to open it with out cutting the envelope.
 
JungleJim65 said:
If it's the USPS flat rate padded envelope I think it is, they are not like regular envelopes. There is a strip of plastic that is pulled to expose an adhesive strip. Once that adhesive strip makes contact with the other side of the envelope, there really is no other way to open it with out cutting the envelope.
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I just closed and opened a USPS Priority Mail envelope without any apparent damage to the plastic. It was stored in my garage, which is about 55 degrees, this time of year. I'm still thinking that a thief can chill any of these envelopes enough for the glue to stop adhering. Perhaps a shared employee refrigerator in a postal warehouse, or maybe even a can of compressed air, like we use to clean lint from our folding knives.
 
stonesell said:
I just closed and opened a USPS Priority Mail envelope without any apparent damage to the plastic. It was stored in my garage, which is about 55 degrees, this time of year. I'm still thinking that a thief can chill any of these envelopes enough for the glue to stop adhering. Perhaps a shared employee refrigerator in a postal warehouse, or maybe even a can of compressed air, like we use to clean lint from our folding knives.
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You have me curious now. I have a new case of the padded envelopes that he I'm pretty sure he used. I'm going to seal one and freeze it to see if that is plausible. I really don't use them much anymore(they are actually more expensive than the small flat rate boxes), but I'm curious to see if they could be compromised.
 
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You have me curious now. I have a new case of the padded envelopes that he I'm pretty sure he used. I'm going to seal one and freeze it to see if that is plausible. I really don't use them much anymore(they are actually more expensive than the small flat rate boxes), but I'm curious to see if they could be compromised.
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Don't forget to let it sit for a few days and go through at least one temperature cycling before trying to reopen it (the conditions it likely experienced on the journey).
 
JungleJim65 said:
You have me curious now. I have a new case of the padded envelopes that he I'm pretty sure he used. I'm going to seal one and freeze it to see if that is plausible. I really don't use them much anymore(they are actually more expensive than the small flat rate boxes), but I'm curious to see if they could be compromised.
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This is the one that I easily reopened, it's about 10X12
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Anything is possible but i dont think it was resealed(see pics sent from buyer) plus i put the address over the seal to double up. Here are the pics cmac12 sent me when i asked for them
I think what it comes down to is his word against mine whether i put the knives in the envelope or i put in just one sheath. If the check clears what should i do from here?
 
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6 Who cares if it was sent in an envelope, a box, or an old sock? Companies located from Hong Kong to the US ship tens of thousands of packages a week in padded envelopes with no problem. For years, I received several rental DVDs a week in nothing more than an unpadded 6x9 Tyvek envelope with nary a break. I've had multiple vacuum tube-based headphone amplifiers (with tubes) shipped from Hong in padded envelopes without so much as a broken tube.
Just because you think the knife you're buying is mystical, it's no different than any other item shipped in similar packaging (and decidedly less fragile based on every discussion on this forum). It's not going to sneak out of the envelope and it is no more likely to be stolen by a USPS employee than any other item shipped the same way.
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Not true at all. Although it may not be as much of an issue from a damage protection side. It makes a big deal to some one is going to steal. More likely to be able to feel and guess what is inside and much harder to open a box in front of other employees. Envelopes can easily be concealed. Whether they are taken home or just to another location in the building out of prying eyes.

That said curious to see where this one goes. I'll refrain from judgment until there is a bit more facts. I hope the OP and Buyer comment more.
 
I am amazed that you could get two sheathed knives, an extra sheath and a tec-loc in a normal letter size flat rate cardboard envelope.
 
parkertelmo said:
Anything is possible but i dont think it was resealed(see pics sent from buyer) plus i put the address over the seal to double up. Here are the pics cmac12 sent me when i asked for themView attachment 596866View attachment 596867
I think what it comes down to is his word against mine whether i put the knives in the envelope or i put in just one sheath. If the check clears what should i do from here?
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Use the info that ESAV gave to you.
 
Gastonknife said:
I am amazed that you could get two sheathed knives, an extra sheath and a tec-loc in a normal letter size flat rate cardboard envelope.
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Those envelopes are relatively big and those strider fixed blades weren't massive, so I don't see why not. It wouldn't have been my first choice to ship those in, but they could fit
 
You have not clearly shown us the complete adress labeling. Perhaps you are concerned about some legal consequenses, but it looks like it was sent in care of someone, or some office extension. The package could have been compromised at that location. Even the glue on the address label could be loosened with proper technique. Any thief working in a mail recieving place, knows all the tricks. The buyer, living in the office complex, is not going to want to point fingers at the mail room employees, he will put the responsibility on you, out of fear of some local retaliation.
 
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If the check clears, you are back in the drivers seat. If you don't feel there is any way of 3rd party involvement, I guess you don't issue a refund. At that point the buyer will do what he has to do. If he really didn't get the items he probably isn't going to drop it.
I'll add-If you don't feel there is a 3rd party involved, get the postal inspectors with the on it also.
If there is any possibility of a 3rd party theft, file the insurance claim.
If I felt a 3rd party had stolen the items, I would settle with the buyer. That is just how I do it, and don't know that there is any rule on this forum . If both parties are good old boys they would split in this case.
 
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