Need help - Sandman5656 (DJ Sanders)

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Techno said:
Experienced members please chime in. I just want to resolve this and be on my way.
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File a PayPal claim. Period.

PayPal shall instruct you on return shipping which shall require signature confirmation. Add that amount to your claim. That's the only way I see this to end, anything else will bring grief to the buyer. PayPal claim is a standard legal process established by PayPal to protect sellers and buyers - keeps seller in check and protects buyer from malicious seller. Dishonoring PayPal's claim results in ruining your credit score.

As for the seller - after the buyer has rejected your amended offer not in the original contract, I don't think you have a moral ground to put an end to stories! ;-)
 
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If you read Techno's OP then read the posted conversation he was not very forthcoming with the facts of the story.
And I'm sorry saying the seller must have been squeezing the knife so he didn't feel lateral and vertical on a quality knife was just dumb. Call some more friends to jump on your bandwagon.
 
PMKNHD said:
I an not the seller get your facts straight. The seller is a gold member just like Techo!
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Uh well, you're not necessarily the seller, but membership level has nothing to do with that. I could create a new username right now and it wouldn't have to GOLD like my membership, but it's still me. In a case like this, folks would assume you're either the seller who created a new account for defense, OR you asked a friend to join specifically to defend the seller.

What folks are saying is that even if you AREN'T the seller, having an account created solely for the purpose of defending someone is just... weird.

Anyway, not really the point. Hope it's resolved to the parties satisfaction sooner or later
 
Thanks a lot for the help guys!

Thanks for the input Kelama. I did purchase the knife via goods. When I was new here I purchased via gift because I didn't know the difference but I have since learned the difference between the two and always purchase via goods.
 
I opened a Paypal case against the seller and have requested my money back. I didn't even ask for extra to ship the knife back to him. I just want to resolve the matter.
 
Techno said:
I opened a Paypal case against the seller and have requested my money back. I didn't even ask for extra to ship the knife back to him. I just want to resolve the matter.
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Best of luck! I'd advise to take pics and/or a short video right before or during the boxing it up before you return it (as I'm assuming PayPal will want, the sending back I mean) so the original seller can't dispute and say you sent it back broken, more scratched etc.
 
Were it me, I'd file a complaint with paypal immediately and then follow their directions for sending the knife back (complete with insurance and signature confirmation). I'd also take multiple pictures of the knife prior to shipping and of the packaging process.

As a buyer, we almost always pay for the item before it is shipped to us. I can see no reason why that standard wouldn't be the case when the item is shipped back to the seller (payment received prior to shipping) because the item was not satisfactory. Especially when the reason for the lack of satisfaction was due to a misrepresentation on the seller's part.

Thankfully I've not had to deal with such an issue personally. I only spend money that is disposable (meaning I can afford to lose it if things go south) when it comes to non-essential things. The sole issue (when selling) was quickly remedied (knife was lost in the mail) by a full refund to the buyer and I waited several weeks for the insurance check. I think anything less would have been dishonest and unfair (to the would-be buyer).
 
go_DWI said:
Well, not sure if I'm 'experienced' but I do know that Dave is excellent for fixing anything of his. I had an F3 that had a very tiny amount of vertical play. He had me send it in and it was back in my hands in about... 3 weeks? And that was the TOTAL time including shipping from Canada--->USA--->Canada.

My advice if you really do want the knife is to take up the seller on the offer to pay for shipping to Dave, have him fix it, and enjoy!

EDIT: if the seller has created a new account just to chime in on the thread that doesn't inspire confidence
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Simply not an acceptable solution, especially when you spend $500 for a knife that didn't arrive in the condition it was described/or deceitfully wasn't described. The blade play issue should have been addressed by the seller, BEFORE he even sold his knife! Now, when he get's his knife back from Techno, he can spend his valuable time taking care of the issue he passed on to Techno. This will give him another shot at possibly completing an honest transaction, here in BladeForums.

Tahts-a-dats-ago said:
As a buyer, we almost always pay for the item before it is shipped to us. I can see no reason why that standard wouldn't be the case when the item is shipped back to the seller (payment received prior to shipping) because the item was not satisfactory. Especially when the reason for the lack of satisfaction was due to a misrepresentation on the seller's part.

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This is one of the most intelligent, logical statements, that I have read in a long time!


I know all the details are not completely out in the open, however, until something more supportive is posted by the seller, I am 100% on your side, on this one, Techno.

Good luck, brother!
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Not exactly how I wound up here but I see your point go_DWI I was looking somebody else up and saw a very similar story to one I was already following and here I am.
 
TOMBSTONE said:
Generally one ships back the item,then once received seller refunds. If you paid by PayPal goods you are covered. If the communication has gotten unfriendly,file a claim immediately and PayPal will hold funds in account. Follow their instructions.They will tell you to return it to verfied PayPal address for the seller. I would personally make sure to send signature required if you are uneasy about the return.
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This would be my course of action.
 
Well the seller has denied my refund and the Paypal dispute has now been escalated to a Paypal claim. I'm not sure what happens now.
 
Ps. How do you all know Techno didn't cause the said blade play. I'm seeing The seller in the right, your assuming the buyer is in the right. Was the blade play really there when received.
So basically I can but a knife, damage it then just send it back claiming it wasn't right when I received it?
I'm here one day and learn how to get out of a purchase I had second thoughts on, or so I can but something else I want more now. Thanks guys!
 
KELAMA said:
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Simply not an acceptable solution, especially when you spend $500 for a knife that didn't arrive in the condition it was described/or deceitfully wasn't described. The blade play issue should have been addressed by the seller, BEFORE he even sold his knife! Now, when he get's his knife back from Techno, he can spend his valuable time taking care of the issue he passed on to Techno. This will give him another shot at possibly completing an honest transaction, here in BladeForums.

Tahts-a-dats-ago said:
Well, I do agree that the seller should have done the refund etc. if there was any problem. If the buyer has a legit reason to claim a refund (seems so!) then he should get one.

However, I should clarify that I meant if it was ME I would just have the seller pay for shipping and send it to Dave to be fixed, cause then I'd end up with a knife I wanted in the first place. I feel it's an acceptable solution IF both parties agree to it and are happy.
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You seem to have a lot of interest in me. Why is that?
I'm interested because while this is going on another transaction with member from here has a member of a group I'm in holding a stack of pennies instead of a knife he was to receive in trade. That is what I was looking into when I found this.
I'm disabled and was an Air Force Security Specialist in Air Base Ground Defense. I guess I've got nothing better to do. What's your story?
 
Holy crap. Refund him get your knife fixed and resell it with the disclaimer that it's been fixed. A lot simpler of a solution than burning bridges and running to FB like a scorned teenager.

What a stupid and pointless deterioration.

End of the day we need to treat eachother like we're dealing with buddies when we sell, buy, or trade.

This stuff is an embarrassment.
 
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This was sent to me by a fellow member hours ago. The member also told me that there is even more slander on there but I can't view it since I am not a member of the group.
 
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This was sent to me by a fellow member hours ago. The member also told me that there is even more slander on there but I can't view it since I am not a member of the group.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I don't think it's YOUR rep that is going to be damaged at all in this thread ;) seeing as how things are progressing... let us know how the claim goes!
 
Hey Techno, I don't know if we have had any deals together, but I have followed some of your threads, sales and otherwise, and I can say that I would trust you. You seem like a stand up guy, and your feedback speaks for its self. Weather the seller likes it or not, paypal is a buyers advocate and I have no doubt that you will be taken care of. Airing your laundry on facebook is childish, and it looks like he had his partner make an account here just to defend him. I wouldn't get too upset about this, as it will probably be resolved with money back in your pocket by mid next week. If he was so eager to pay to have it sent to Curtis, then he will have no problem sending it in himself once you ship it back to him (using paypals directions and following them to the letter of course).
 
PMKNHD said:
You seem to have a lot of interest in me. Why is that?
I'm interested because while this is going on another transaction with member from here has a member of a group I'm in holding a stack of pennies instead of a knife he was to receive in trade. That is what I was looking into when I found this.
I'm disabled and was an Air Force Security Specialist in Air Base Ground Defense. I guess I've got nothing better to do. What's your story?
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/itrader.php?u=352357

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/itrader.php?u=396809

I think that you need to do yourself a favor, & let your other self handle this issue. ;)

Thank you very much for your service...but neither your service, nor my honorable service to our Country, has much relevance to this thread.

Techno: Just copy & paste this thread, & send it to your PayPal dispute C.S. rep; they should have no difficulties, drawing a conclusion!
 
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