Need help - Sandman5656 (DJ Sanders)

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choombak said:
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You have started contradicting your thoughts now. I think you should relax a bit, now that PayPal will instruct the buyer to do what you wanted from the start (ship first, and then refund). If you re-read all your posts, notice you come across as a hot-headed, my-way-or-highway person, a trait not conducive to bladeforums. Just put it behind, and move on -- enjoy other things this forum has to offer. This is a friendly advice, nothing more, nothing less.
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Then why isn't there any moderation here telling these other guys to stop?! It's comment after comment of you people trashing me, but not a single one of you knows anything aside from just words, I've been the only one to provide actual evidence and photos of the sale! Joshua himself didn't even provide full details of the entire transaction before shooting his mouth off here! You're right it's in PayPal hands, now everyone else can shut their mouth, it doesn't matter what you have to say anymore!
 
Sandman5656 said:
Is an administrator going to only moderate comments in Techno's favor?! If that's the case, then I'll just not bother pleading my case further due to bias.
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I think you and your alter ego have done a pretty good job of it yourselves. :rolleyes:

For the record, I will never deal with you from this point forward.
 
I definitely don't mean to side with anyone here but isn't it SOP for any online retailer to have a buyer ship and return the knife to them before issuing a refund?

If the buyer paid with PayPal goods that's what they will require anyways. Why not just return the knife, wait for a full refund and avoid this whole mess in the first place? I've never had one but a paypal dispute doesn't sound like fun for anyone involved.
 
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As long as you're justified right?;)
 
PMKNHD said:
Ps. How do you all know Techno didn't cause the said blade play. I'm seeing The seller in the right, your assuming the buyer is in the right. Was the blade play really there when received.
So basically I can but a knife, damage it then just send it back claiming it wasn't right when I received it?
I'm here one day and learn how to get out of a purchase I had second thoughts on, or so I can but something else I want more now. Thanks guys!
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Such a strong position for a new member, are you related to sandman? You joined on 12-12 and have posts only in this thread.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a BS identity created by you and worthy of a Ban.

Of course this is my opinion......quack quack
 
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Opinions of either the seller or buyer don't matter. It is standard practice to ship the knife back before getting a refund. That's how I have always done it, and always will.

As a seller, If I refund the buyer before he sends it back, I am completely out of options if he decides to not return it, or if it gets lost in the mail, or if it has been damaged. Never leave yourself without recourse.

As a buyer, even without going through paypal, if you ship the knife back and do not get refunded, you can than file a claim and provide the proof of delivery and get refunded. Paypal looks down on that but they will still side with you 90% of the time.

With that said - Sandman, you said you would take it back and than give him a refund. Why did you deny the refund and make him escalate the claim? If you were true to your word you would have just accepted it when PP emailed you. If you denied it just to spite him since you're angry, that is not good business. -Also as a side note, if you plan on telling PP he screwed it up and try to make him take it back, they will not side with you since you denied the refund initially. It looks a lot better on your part to accept it, and than dispute it after you've received it.
 
Sandman5656 said:
Is an administrator going to only moderate comments in Techno's favor?! If that's the case, then I'll just not bother pleading my case further due to bias.
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Bias my butt, The highroad would have been to undo the deal and not immediately claim "shady deal". Just because you and your alter-ego are in the minority and most do not agree with you does not mean we are all friends with Techno. Our comments are in his favor because many believe he is right.
I see it as a Buyer who has a knife that has in his opinion blade play and he wants to undo the deal. On BFC a deal is not a deal until both parties are happy. Had you just refunded the money and not made unsupported claims of wrong doing we would not be here
 
This is ridiculous and I can't even believe most of the comments on here, completely disrespectful and so perverse it's almost unbelievable.

First off, it appears this is a true case of "buyers remorse" and nothing else. The knife seller displayed the knife and described it prior to purchase, provided the opportunity to refund the money on return of the knife and all options weren't good enough for the buyer??? Did anyone else read the screen shots of the conversation?!? This would immediately put me on "is this a scam" mode to be even more honest. I for one would never return funds on any knife without first receiving shipping confirmation that the knife was in the mail. Not to mention that the blatant disrespect on the buyers part is flat out disgusting. I do a ton of transactions within the community and the buyer in this case should have just been a man and honesty said, "upon arrival the knife isn't to my liking" just saying.
 
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Gastonknife said:
I am not going to read all of this post, but will respond to the OP's original question.

I would say to the OP that normal procedures at this stage - would be for you to send the knife back; once the seller gets it - then they should refund you. That is what PP would do anyway. Expecting a refund prior to sending it back is not reasonable. I am taking no sides on the rest of this drama.
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Completely agree, glad to see some others with some honor and dignity in this situation
 
southcarolinamike said:
This is ridiculous and I can't even believe most of the comments on here, completely disrespectful and so perverse it's almost unbelievable.

First off, it appears this is a true case of "buyers remorse" and nothing else. The knife seller displayed the knife and described it prior to purchase, provided the opportunity to refund the money on return of the knife and all options weren't good enough for the buyer??? Did anyone else read the screen shots of the conversation?!? This would immediately put me on "is this a scam" mode to be even more honest. I for one would never return funds on any knife without first receiving shipping confirmation that the knife was in the mail. Not to mention that the blatant disrespect on the buyers part is flat out disgusting. I do a ton of transactions within the community and the buyer in this case should have just been a man and honesty said, "upon arrival the knife isn't to my liking" just saying.
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What I find disrespectful, is a seller, who comes on here & behaves in this manner, trashes one of our reputable member's on Facebook, & thinks the deal has been mutually/successfully completed. As far as I am concerned, Sandman, has lost all credibility, over the way he has handled this.

Please re-read this entire thread, Mike; objectively process what Techno, posted, & the same for Sandman. The behavior/demeanor demonstrated by both parties, make it perfectly clear, who is the more calm, rational thinking, honest person involved in this transaction.

And please, let me reiterate: you don't successfully complete 107 positive transactions, with a 100%+feedback, by luck alone...just saying!
 
Sandman5656 said:
Then why isn't there any moderation here telling these other guys to stop?! It's comment after comment of you people trashing me, but not a single one of you knows anything aside from just words, I've been the only one to provide actual evidence and photos of the sale! Joshua himself didn't even provide full details of the entire transaction before shooting his mouth off here! You're right it's in PayPal hands, now everyone else can shut their mouth, it doesn't matter what you have to say anymore!
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Relax. Your ranting on Facebook didn't help much in this case now did it? That appears to have been the tipping point that caused us all to congregate here today. It's one thing to get pissed off and another to take to "social media" and blabber all about it. Cooler heads prevail, always. That same frustration you feel at this thread is what other people feel when you decide you are going to write crap on Facebook. Doesn't feel good does it?

At any rate, This is getting nowhere so it's time to turn out the lights. If the OP wants to reopen this thread when Paypal has made a decision, then by all means we can revisit this after people have calmed down some. A final note on buyers remorse, if people are buying things then changing their mind midstream then we will deal with that. This isn't a tire kicker forum. When you commit to buy something you need to stick to it, and make an effort to work out details that one side may not agree with, in a mature manner. If anyone is confused or needs clarification on the policy they need to read the forum rules. This is NOT eBay, etsy, or Craigslist to avoid having to honor commitments. This is a statement aimed at the general public. It does not mean one has to eat the cost of a knife that was not as expected and advertised, take it for whatever it is worth to you.

By the way, many of us moderators have jobs, cat herding pay isn't what it once was.
 
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I was just informed that Paypal has ruled in favor of the buyer, the knife is being shipped back to the seller Priority Mail with Signature Confirmation and Insurance. For the folks that feel the need to smack talk on "Social Media", don't pat yourselves on the back too much, that is basically what cowards do. Nothing really there to be proud of, you know who you are. Grow up. This is why it's important to keep your temper in check and make an effort to resolve things professionally and not resort to name calling and other childish behavior, as we can see it doesn't help at all, ever.
 
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One final note, looks like DJ has resorted to ranting and raving on his Face Space page, lol. Temper, temper there DJ.

Here is a copy of the PM he sent Monday:
Ruled in favor of the buyer?! All they did is do what I originally offered which was send my knife back first and then give his refund! What a concept!!!!! And "smack talk on social media"?! But it's ok for him to come here and trash me with his buddies and not provide a single piece of evidence?! I really don't understand your reasoning for being involved here, you're clearly taking sides. And the behavior that existed from other trolling members that had no dog in this fight would've never been allowed on USN. Lost my temper?! Damn right I did, who wouldn't have? The way you as an admin handled this as well is unacceptable! So, if you feel the need to ban me, which I gather you probably will anyway. No big loss, you and your members consistently demonstrate reasons why I shouldn't waste my time. Good day.
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I'm deeply hurt DJ, wow. I thought we were pals... In all seriousness, folks you should know who you are dealing with, and here is what happens behind closed doors I guess. For the record, I did tell Techno that shipping the knife back first was the way to get a refund, it's documented on the first page and in a PM to techno. But apparently the rage did not allow ole DJ to read that tid bit. :rolleyes:
 
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