Net prices on the knife exchange

First I agree with you and Revdevil 100%. but if we are honest a lot of threads are allowed like this, many even say that once track # is given, the seller is out of the deal, many say they want 4.5%. All seen here daily, all allowed daily, all in all the sales exchanges, dealers allowed everywhere. Such a shame I agree 100% but it will not matter as it is allowed. I will state I would like to meet in real life all the guys here, certainly Esav and Revdevil, the internet changes so many people, folks do things here they would never do in real life. Until any of us own a forum, we are all just wishing. I read a lot of threads and If you take the time to cross check, you will find many doing what they say is wrong, when it fits their desires. I make a lot of error, because of brain injury, but that does not matter, nor should it. Bladeforums is a great place. I respect those who have to work within the rules they are given to follow, I also know it must be hard to be against, that which is allowed in mass.


1SHOT1KILL said:
This is how I feel as well. ALL of my sales clearly state "shipped/tyd (to your door)" this is the price I'm willing to accept including me paying the fees for the convenience of using PayPal and USPS priority shipping. This also includes insurance. The insurance is for the seller...a lot of sellers don't understand that. "if you want it, insurance is extra" is a load of bull! If that item gets lost in transit it's the seller's responsibility to make good on the sale.
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A seller should clearly list their terms in their ad, meaning who pays for shipping and who pays paypal fees.

If you start changing the terms by offering a different price or offering a trade, you have to be clear what your terms are. Don't leave it up to assumptions by either side.

The biggest ambiguity can come in a trade- somebody wants to sell something and you offer a trade- "I have a ___, I'll trade you for $xx". What does that mean? My knife plus $xx for your knife? My knife for your knife and you pay me $xx?
 
MostMenAreRuthless said:
Excellent points. I wholeheartedly agree.
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Hear Hear! I just bought a knife off the exchange. Seller said $220.00. That's what he said. There was no TYD or NET or COD or PPF or BS or...(you get the idea). Just $220. So I sent Seller $220 and seller sent knife. I was pretty Happy and the Seller was pretty happy and daffodils began to bloom and little children began to dance in a circle around a tree and everything was right with the world.
I'm not sure where the Rocket Science Part of this kicks in?
 
I agree with the majority here.
Net to me=no sale, to me.

I've actually taken it one step further and will not parttake in any transaction on the bladeforums until that is made into official rules on this site.
 
As long as you even reply to these people they will keep trying to get over on us and you ignore them let em go somewhere else to do business.
 
I respect all the views shared here. I guess me and greykilt think alone the same lines, if it works and you get what you want and are happy, and safe, then it's an individual call. I have collected over 45 years, and I have gotten mad and walked out of stores, out of garage sales, out of flea markets, BUT< NEVER AGAIN ! I am going to get the knives I want, with my money and I am honest. Knives are great, it's the people around them that screw the deal. So to be honest I dislike the B/S add ons and such, but I'm here to Sell a little, give a lot and buy what I want.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THAT PAYPAL AND THE IRS ARE GOING TO SHUT DOWN PEOPLE FOR DOING WHAT THEY CLEARLY SAY YOU CAN NOT DO. AND WITHOUT PAYPAL, LIFE IS MUCH HARDER. you don't like those threads, IRS has an 800 number . HA HA.




Birnando said:
I agree with the majority here.
Net to me=no sale, to me.

I've actually taken it one step further and will not parttake in any transaction on the bladeforums until that is made into official rules on this site.
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So I officially have a new problem with "net to me" or add +% (especially the 4% greedy insert expletive here). Paypal is 0.30 plus 2.9% correct? Technically speaking charging 4% is making a profit on paypals fees. It maybe small but so are the actual fees. I have changed my position on all this stuff recently. Not because i like paypal. They are Facists as far as i am concerned, but I need their service. They offer o protection to the seller. Maybe i should start using square :) "Square Cash, unveiled on Tuesday, allows payments between debit cards using any email address, without the need to setup a Square account or pay any transaction fees." That could be awesome! Anyway people that do net to me frustrate me as well because I have no idea what they thing the fees are. I don't min if they say $45 + fees as long as they are not jacking the fees up but please just be clear about yoru price. Otherwise it's bait and switch.
 
Birnando said:
I agree with the majority here.
Net to me=no sale, to me.

I've actually taken it one step further and will not parttake in any transaction on the bladeforums until that is made into official rules on this site.
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At this point, what you see is about as much of a rule as we are going to get.
 
I have gone the "net to me" route before, but a lot of folks don't seem to like that. So I went back to one price, all inclusive.

On other sites I have even seen Knifemakers and Dealers doing it because it seems to be the "norm"!!

On the other hand, this site is pretty easy to use!!


http://thefeecalculator.com
 
It's funny when you see an ad that says NET to me, you pay PayPal fees, insurance is extra, but shipping is on me. So it's really not NET to you, it's NET+shipping and then add all these other things ups.

All for one simple price. Just seems the best way to go about it.
 
RevDevil said:
At this point, what you see is about as much of a rule as we are going to get.
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Yeah, I have gotten that impression from the many threads on this subject:)

It's really no biggie to me, most any of the sales on here are out of reach for me due to geographical incompability;)
But at least by principle, if not by action, I'm trying to vote with my wallet!
 
JDieseljoe69 said:
I have gone the "net to me" route before, but a lot of folks don't seem to like that. So I went back to one price, all inclusive.

On other sites I have even seen Knifemakers and Dealers doing it because it seems to be the "norm"!!

On the other hand, this site is pretty easy to use!!


http://thefeecalculator.com
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"Net to me" is the only way to fly as far as I'm concerned. It says "here's my product" and "here's the amount of money I need to put in my pocket to be willing to sell it to you." Everything else involved in the transaction including fees, shipping charges, insurance costs and so forth should be negotiated directly between the parties to the transaction. It's really no one else's business but there's. Now what could be simpler, more straightforward, and easier to understand than that? :)
 
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When I see threads labeled net to me I assume the seller in incapable of or uninterested in doing basic math for themselves. I don't do business with someone that is too lazy to spend 60 seconds with a calculator...who knows what other shortcuts they are going to take in shipping or packaging. Now I need to negotiate how much they are gonna want for first class or priority shipping...no thanks. Give me a total price...If I wanna haggle or add insurance I'll let you know.
 
I believe that all of the "net to me," add a certain %, or some other wording is many sellers conscious or unconscious attempt at the advertising methods used by most western companies to advertise a lower price in order to catch a buyers more focused interest. Many industries from televised / radio advertisers to gasoline retailers (3.50 9/10Gal/Lt) use the technique to conceal the final price from the buyer. I do observe how the "Net To Me" language can be confusing though. Bets to just pass on people that use it.
 
Rather than "assume" or "believe", I prefer to "negotiate" the terms of a purchase or sale. YMMV.
 
I don't have an issue with Net to me. Since I can read and understand it, it is my fault if I don't know what I am paying.
And though I have dealt with people in the past who ask for paypal gift. I think it should be banned.
For one, it is illegal. Two it causes the sale to not be covered in anyway. The money is the sellers no matter what happens.
 
bld522 said:
"Net to me" is the only way to fly as far as I'm concerned. It says "here's my product" and "here's the amount of money I need to put in my pocket to be willing to sell it to you." Everything else involved in the transaction including fees, shipping charges, insurance costs and so forth should be negotiated directly between the parties to the transaction. It's really no one else's business but there's. Now what could be simpler, more straightforward, and easier to understand than that? :)
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For one, insurance is solely for the protection of the seller because it's a Bladeforums rule that it's the seller's responsibility to get it to the buyer. So even if the buyer agrees not to pay it on your sale, if the knife is lost or damaged in transit, you owe him/her a refund...something to remember when you post your next sale. You can't say "if you don't pay for insurance, you take responsibility" and not have to worry about the knife being lost; there are quite a few threads showing that per Bladeforums rules that, cut-and-dry, despite any deals made between buyer and seller, if you sell on Bladeforums, the seller is always responsible til it reaches the buyer. (That is why some sellers are weary of overseas shipping.)

As for shipping costs, have you had buyers wanting different types of shipping? When I was selling I always shipped fixed fee small box, stated that was what I planned in the ad, and no buyer wanted different shipping (I would have been willing to ship differently but never had anyone ask). Putting "$x + shipping" just adds uncertainty to the price in my mind. If I don't know what the final cost is going to be, I'm not going to buy it. You might as well put "Cost is something like $100".

For Paypal fees, per Paypal rules the seller can't charge extra for them. Beyond that, it is trivial to figure it out in advance, so not doing so again adds more uncertaint and makes you seem lazy or shady or stupid (no offense, just how I see ads of that sort by anyone--I don't know anything about you in particular).

In sum, what you call simple, straightforward and easy is anything but those things when viewing an ad with "net to me". Simple, straightforward, and easy is putting the final price in the ad.

Just my $.02.
 
In my sale threads I put the prices as tyd prices. I do however state that gift options would be appreciated... some people are actually nice enough to do so or cover the fees for me.
 
kreole said:
For one, insurance is solely for the protection of the seller because it's a Bladeforums rule that it's the seller's responsibility to get it to the buyer. So even if the buyer agrees not to pay it on your sale, if the knife is lost or damaged in transit, you owe him/her a refund...something to remember when you post your next sale. You can't say "if you don't pay for insurance, you take responsibility" and not have to worry about the knife being lost; there are quite a few threads showing that per Bladeforums rules that, cut-and-dry, despite any deals made between buyer and seller, if you sell on Bladeforums, the seller is always responsible til it reaches the buyer. (That is why some sellers are weary of overseas shipping.)

As for shipping costs, have you had buyers wanting different types of shipping? When I was selling I always shipped fixed fee small box, stated that was what I planned in the ad, and no buyer wanted different shipping (I would have been willing to ship differently but never had anyone ask). Putting "$x + shipping" just adds uncertainty to the price in my mind. If I don't know what the final cost is going to be, I'm not going to buy it. You might as well put "Cost is something like $100".

For Paypal fees, per Paypal rules the seller can't charge extra for them. Beyond that, it is trivial to figure it out in advance, so not doing so again adds more uncertaint and makes you seem lazy or shady or stupid (no offense, just how I see ads of that sort by anyone--I don't know anything about you in particular).

In sum, what you call simple, straightforward and easy is anything but those things when viewing an ad with "net to me". Simple, straightforward, and easy is putting the final price in the ad.

Just my $.02.
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It's kind of funny when you stop and think about it. I'd much rather do business with someone who uses "net to me" than someone who states a "final price". The former usually gives me an opportunity to negotiate terms with them while the latter gives me none. I don't know about you, but I generally distrust people who won't allow me to negotiate with them.
 
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