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- Thread starter bocephous
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That's OK, Tombstone. Some folks are more comfortable being led than having to think for themselves. But I'd caution you against believing that sellers who post their bottom line prices don't charge people to use PayPal. If they accept PayPal, they bake those charges into their bottom line prices and pass them along to their customers. One way or the other, the buyer almost always pays the fees. The kicker is, it doesn't matter whether the buyer uses PayPal to pay for the item or not. If they're dealing with a "bottom line" (AKA TYD) seller who accepts PayPal, they're being charged the fees either way. Some people think that's fair. Others think it's trivial. I think it's a rip off. Having said that, I agree that the gift thing is a bad idea. In fact, I'd support a decision to ban its use on the Exchange altogether. I don't mind standing up to an unfair rule. But using PayPal's service and then refusing to pay for it is stealing. And that I can't condone.
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if I were a seller I would be keeping in mind that I AM responsible for the item to get there as per blade forums rules if the item doesn't show the responsibility is mine so I think the couple of dollars for tracking and insurances is worth it if the buyer doesn't well that's fine but it's the seller that's taking the risk isn't it ????
If the item doesn't show it's Paypal and the USPS rules/laws that you'd need to be more concerned with. We'll just ban you for that kind of thing, they will take money out of your account and potentially get you into trouble for committing mail fraud.
It's amazing I guess that I haven't gotten burned on here, but I'll usually only buy from someone with a certain level of feedback and if I don't feel comfortable I'll pass. First knife I ever bought off here was via gift option. I didn't know any better but it was an amazing deal from a respected member, and I didn't want to miss out on it. His terms were gift or add 3.5%, and with he being a more seasoned member with a high number of feedback I assumed that was the norm and was ok.
I purchased another knife from a member where the terms were "net to me". I wasn't 100% sure what that meant so I paid the amount via PP goods. I got an email shortly saying that I was supposed to pay the fees. He didn't offer to tell me what they were, but me being the good guy I am, I had to calculate the fees and ended up gifting him more than the fee amount to be on the safe side plus the few cents fee I was charged. This was coming from a guy whose email sig has a few letters behind his last name signifying he's of a profession that makes a lot more money than me, but that $4-$5 was gonna break him.
I think this thread is useful because before I read it I thought gift or add 3.5% was the norm because it's on almost every ad I click on. I don't use eBay and don't sell on any other forums. I didn't even have a PP account before I bought my first knife here. I've since changed my terms of how I sell to accept PP goods only because it's the right thing to do and don't want to turn anyone off from my ads. My feedback and rep here is important to me, and I always pay fast and ship fast, and if what I thought was ok before is really wrong, then I want to make it right. Easy as that.
I purchased another knife from a member where the terms were "net to me". I wasn't 100% sure what that meant so I paid the amount via PP goods. I got an email shortly saying that I was supposed to pay the fees. He didn't offer to tell me what they were, but me being the good guy I am, I had to calculate the fees and ended up gifting him more than the fee amount to be on the safe side plus the few cents fee I was charged. This was coming from a guy whose email sig has a few letters behind his last name signifying he's of a profession that makes a lot more money than me, but that $4-$5 was gonna break him.
I think this thread is useful because before I read it I thought gift or add 3.5% was the norm because it's on almost every ad I click on. I don't use eBay and don't sell on any other forums. I didn't even have a PP account before I bought my first knife here. I've since changed my terms of how I sell to accept PP goods only because it's the right thing to do and don't want to turn anyone off from my ads. My feedback and rep here is important to me, and I always pay fast and ship fast, and if what I thought was ok before is really wrong, then I want to make it right. Easy as that.
One of the big advantages of using "net to me" is that it creates a lot of flexibility when dealing with "respected members". Have I made accommodations to respected members that I haven't made to members who are relatively new and/or have little or no positive feedback? You bet I have! And believe, they've made accommodations to do business with me as well. As I've said before, buying and selling on the exchanges is not a one-size-fits-all issue to me.
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I'm of the view that 95% of problems between otherwise reasonable people are due to inadequate communications. When we don't communicate well, I assume one thing, and you assume something else, and then we end up with a problem that could have been avoided. So maybe its helpful in a sales thread, or when making an offer, to spell out (as much as possible that is) in full detail one's expectations.
My expectation in using "net to me" is that you understand that when all is said and done, the amount of money I need to have in order to sell my item to you is the amount of money I'll actually end up with. The rest is open to negotiation. Sellers who don't use that approach don't communicate. They demand! And they invariably hide their demands in their prices.
Who would you rather do business with?
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I suspect, based on the many replies in this thread, that the answer to that might be a bit of a surprise to you..
The whole negotiation argument you keep repeating over and over is a mute point.
There is nothing stopping anyone from making an offer to any seller, regardless of net to you, all included or any thing in between.
And again, regardless of how many times you repeat it, What you are left with in your pocket is of no concern to me, and I suspect that there are others who feel the same.
What concerns me is what will I be ought of my pocket.
You know, signed, sealed and delivered, to me.
As I said before, some folks prefer to be led while others prefer to think for themselves and give their customers the opportunity to do likewise.
There's no right or wrong answer here. I simply want to provide full disclosure and invite people to participate in crafting the terms and conditions of the sale rather than cram the terms and conditions down their throats and hide my selling costs in the prices I charge them. Admittedly, "net to me" selling isn't for everyone. It's only for those who have the wisdom to see that it's being done out of respect and not out of a desire to take advantage of them.
There's no right or wrong answer here. I simply want to provide full disclosure and invite people to participate in crafting the terms and conditions of the sale rather than cram the terms and conditions down their throats and hide my selling costs in the prices I charge them. Admittedly, "net to me" selling isn't for everyone. It's only for those who have the wisdom to see that it's being done out of respect and not out of a desire to take advantage of them.
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Wisdom.....? "The power of judging rightly and following the soundest course of action based on knowledge, experience, understanding...".
I'd suggest that no one can possibly have 'the wisdom' to see that your intent, motives, general outlook on life have anything to do with being respectful, whether possibly quite real or perhaps, imagined. We aren't anything, but human. Unless you are touting your aforementioned 'attribute/quality' to those that may have known you for many years, family or long time buddies of yours, and they have had an extended opportunity to actually discern that you embody that attribute/quality, there is no way that any other person can, should nor have any ability whatsoever, to have such 'wisdom/knowledge' about you. What experience, knowledge or judgements made in regards to how you choose to do business do we have first hand knowledge of so we can we may draw on to use as 'experience', as individual members, to believe your claim of only attempting to be respectful? As your own words suggest, it would seem that you're attempting to talk down to the general membership by insinuating that we lack, not only the ability to trust and accept anothers claims as the absolute truth (again, from zero experience with you) because 'you said so', but also that we aren't bright/smart/savvy enough to discern the difference.
You are obviously as set in your convictions, in this regard, as many others here are in opposition. I certainly have no problem with that and consider such disconnects as part and parcel of dealing with other people, either in business or in purely social interactions.
The problem that I have with what seems to be your 'point' as of late, is how you have intentionally attempted to disparage members who are not on board with your way of thinking by inferring that only those 'with wisdom' can see that you are honest, forthright and that the only reason that you employ the 'net to me' option is because of your intense desire and innermost personal mandate to be respectful to any potential buyer. Again.........I am not questioning your individual goals, personal compass or feelings, nor do I really care as I don't prefer to transact with the very few 'net to me' sellers on BF. I do, however, take exception to how you now have essentially turned this into a, 'if you're not smart/wise enough to see that I'm really doing this all for 'you' as buyers', the we're somehow less intelligent, astute, trusting, etc., than you and perhaps, at most, a very few others (if any).
Wisdom comes from experience, knowledge and an understanding and substantial 'grasp' of that which has since past. Many members here are only here (of earth) due to having and employing more wisdom than others. Wisdom, in the much less extreme, allows us to make good decisions for our families, helps to realize our financial goals, helps to keep oneself and others safe from harm's way, etc. Wisdom also allows us to make more prudent purchasing decisions, such as here on BF. I expect that most members go about their normal everyday lives without as many concerns as, let's say, a minor or other less 'experienced', younger person might have. Since all members here are likely adults, most are perhaps already quite wise, experienced, knowlegable and likely have a higher level of common sense.
We do not, however, know you at all, except for what you have written. Sooooooo, most here have neither any lengthy experience with you (certainly not enough for someone with any wisdom/common sense to support your stated intentions 100%), not enough (or perhaps any) useful knowledge about you to support or even begin to believe or otherwise accept your own 'toutings' of acting solely out of concern for the 'buyer', with little concern for yourself (financially speaking).
Assuming that others may have felt the inappropriateness and a bit demeaned by you attempting to place the 'lack of wisdom' guilt at our feet (my belief only, perhaps), it might behoove you to either choose your words a bit more thoughtfully and/or truly consider that others actually might be just as intelligent, as discriminating and as wise as you are.
Attempting to essentially 'shame' members with the "only for those who have the wisdom" approach just doesn't seem like an approach nor tactic that's destined to gain you the support and/or following that anyone clearly 'fighting the tide' would normally choose. But I'm a bit 'ole fashioned that way. I'm wary nowadays when someone offers me a shovel (read: an opportunity/a choice to start diggin'......or not). I'd like to think that I'm older and wiser now.
Again......to each their own, but as a member who evidently fits squarely into your 'wisdom' lacking catagory for which you seem both totally incapable of believing that we all don't completely embrace both your stated intent and your 'net to me' approach and also that the incredibly overwhelming majority of members have clearly stated their preference and feelings which you obviously continue to find irrational and then make statements portraying all those in opposition to your feelings/beliefs to be of the 'less enlightened' membership, than yourself.......I felt compelled to respond.
I, for one, take offense at your 'better than thou' approach. And yep...........it most certainly is......
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Ok, enough with the blanket statements. Yesterday, I sold a Spyderco Military in very good condition for $110 to the person's door. I originally had the knife for $130, 120, 115, and 110 all listed as "gift or plus 3.5%" before I saw these threads and how it's wrong and a turnoff to a lot of buyers. Who knows...maybe someone would've bought it at 130 or 120 if I had said PP Goods ONLY in the beginning and would've made more money. The day before I read these threads it was listed for $110 gift or plus 3.5% for 2 weeks. After I read this thread, I changed it to $110 to your door and sold in a couple hours. So it sounds like to me I decided to eat those fees to get rid of a great knife that new was $150 and after fees and shipping, I netted barely $100. I didn't change my price to $113.49 to cover my PP fees. I really would've preferred to net more than $100 on a knife in such good condition based on what it costs new, but so is the way of the world when using PP the right way. I've made a conscious decision to sell the "right" way, and it was just another $3.50 that I had to take a loss on. So the buyer in no way paid the fees on my sale; I ate them to move the knife and really wanted a lot more than $100 in my pocket for that knife. I wasn't "duping" a buyer into paying my fees because I just really had my heart set on getting $106.51 for a knife I felt was worth a little more than that. So I'd really like to know how I ripped off the buyer who got a great knife at 98% the condition of a new one for 73% the cost of a new one where I netted 67% of what I paid??
Same thing for the Blackout I sold. I had it at $30 gift or plus 3.5% for 2 weeks..never sold. Within a couple hours at $30 TYD it sold. Looks like I ate those fees too. When it was said and done, I netted like $23 on a BNIB $50 knife. Almost not even worth selling, but I guess I ripped that guy off too by sneakily factoring in my PP fees and shipping.
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