Net prices on the knife exchange

bld522 said:
I'm sure you would. If you can't follow my logic, please don't buy anything from anyone who sells "net to me" and offers you the opportunity to negotiate the terms and conditions of the sale. I wouldn't want you to have to think too hard. ;)
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Okay, that's the same advice I have been getting from many others here, don't buy from anyone who sells "net to me". That settles it as far as I'm concerned. Thank you.
 
You're welcome.

PS: This has truly been an interesting conversation. Watching people trying to convince themselves that "net to me" used in good faith takes something away from them (although for the life of me, I can't figure out what that is) when it actually gives them something (the opportunity to exercise greater freedom of choice) is fascinating, to say the least.
 
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bld522 said:
We're making this too complicated. Just tell me what you've got and how much you want for it net. Then if I'm interested, I'll contact you and we'll work out the details.
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This is interesting to me..."We're making this too complicated", yet, we add the "net to me"?
Sounds like complication in of itself..Why not a price + shipping or just a price WITH shipping?
All prices have been negotiable to me..Nothing leads me to believe that they are not negotiable. What's the worst case scenario? The seller says "no"? Either renegotiate or move on?
Economics 101..Either you like the price, or you don't. Sometimes, it's those pesky "terms" that get in the way..In this case..It's the "Net to me" that's complicated.
 
bld522 said:
"Net to me" is the only way to fly as far as I'm concerned. It says "here's my product" and "here's the amount of money I need to put in my pocket to be willing to sell it to you." Everything else involved in the transaction including fees, shipping charges, insurance costs and so forth should be negotiated directly between the parties to the transaction. It's really no one else's business but there's. Now what could be simpler, more straightforward, and easier to understand than that? :)
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A flat price? How the heck am I supposed to know what it will actually cost me? I am buying a new car. hte bealer says 20k net to me and i am left to figure out the tax, delivery ,fees, title, etc. No thanks.
 
bld522 said:
It's kind of funny when you stop and think about it. I'd much rather do business with someone who uses "net to me" than someone who states a "final price". The former usually gives me an opportunity to negotiate terms with them while the latter gives me none. I don't know about you, but I generally distrust people who won't allow me to negotiate with them.
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Net to me only means you can negotiate shipping and paypal fees, NEITHER of which affect the sellers bottom line at all. Yo uare negotiating trivial items like shipping speed OR violating PP TOS. Your call if you want to be THAT guy. Don't try to blow smoke, you are not negotiating ANYTHING.
 
bld522 said:
You're not seriously suggesting that people should be willing to negotiate down from a single price but not up from a net to me price, are you? Or are we just dealing with semantics here?
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No we are dealing with someone who is trying to negotiate terms that dont affect their bottom line, period. Read what you said. The "negotiation" you are doing has NOTHING to do with the price on the knife but simply the extras someone else is providing to get payment to you or your product delivered to the customer. AS you said, it's semantics, but YOU are the one playing the game, not the rest of us. I suspect if someone tried to negotiate with you you would not budge on your price but rather try to whittle down the shipping or PP fees instead. Once again, not really negotiation. To go back to my earlier car example, its like you trying to short the sales tax to bring the car price down for the buyer.
 
bld522 said:
I'm sure you would. If you can't follow my logic, please don't buy anything from anyone who sells "net to me" and offers you the opportunity to negotiate the terms and conditions of the sale. I wouldn't want you to have to think too hard. ;)
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Now you are just being a douche.
 
knife to a gunfight said:
The way I see it is this: There's 3 types of people in this world. Those who can do basic math, and those who can't.

In all seriousness, 'net to me' implies a couple of things: The seller is too lazy or incompetent to add PayPal fees, shipping, insurance, etc... into his ad, that they're all too happy to violate PayPal's TOS if you're willing to go via the "gift" option, or maybe they're naïve enough to think that I'll jump on their item because the price "before fees" looks so much more appealing than the price "after fees".



My opinion? Sellers should NEVER use or allow gift option, they should insure the package unless THEY are willing to eat it if lost, and they need to list UP FRONT the price they need the buyer to pay. Whether they need the price to cover shipping and/or insurance, included taxes, fees, or whatever, I don't care. I just want to know the final price, and I shouldn't have to come up with it for you.

You're the seller. That's YOUR job.
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THIS! X whatever i need to get past the minimum word stipulation.
 
bld522 said:
And you want him to TELL you that rather than give you the opportunity to NEGOTIATE that?
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Heh, interesting logic.
Yes, I want the seller to tell me what he wants for the knife.
And yes, if I wanna negotiate that price I will do so.
Your claim of giving up that opportunity just because the price includes fee and whatnot is simply not holding water.
I suspect you know that by now, but sometimes it can be hard to admit to having made a boo boo.
Right?
 
Please feel free to pay the seller the PayPal fee if you don't use PayPal to pay for their item. As I said before, whatever works for you works for me. :) As for me, I'll continue to quote a "net to me" price out of a sense of fairness and respect for my customers and let them decide what they do and do not want to pay for. If that doesn't work for some people, they don't have to do business with me.

PS: For what it's worth, there's no difference between hiding PayPal fees and charging PayPal fees. Either way, the buyer has to pay the fees. No seller in their right mind is going to absorb a 3%-4% discount for purely altruistic reasons. If anyone believes otherwise, I have a bridge to sell them. And yes, I'll pick up the PayPal fees. ;)
 
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Whenever I give a counter offer, I always include "would you take $xxx.00 shipped and insured?"

I don't use Paypal, just send money orders, so no worries for me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the fee the payment the seller makes for being allowed to use Paypal and receive funds from someone? That should be included in the cost. When I sell a knife, using a money order, I include the shipping and insurance in the flat price and include the notation shipped .
 
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silenthunterstudios said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the fee the payment the seller makes for being allowed to use Paypal and receive funds from someone?
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Yes, it is. The question is, is it fair to charge the fee if the buyer and the seller agree not to use PayPal to pay for the item?
 
This is the only forum I sell or buy on where people ask for net. Most forums have rules against asking for gift option or fees as both are against the paypal TOS. I generally just pass on thread that ask for net unless it is just some amazing deal but if it is going to cost me $30 in fees I'm sending a personal check and I will wait my 2 weeks to get the item. But really most people here sell items where fees are like $10 or less and what should happen is they should calculate the fees and post what they want plus the fees. Shipping should also be the seller responsibility. I understand not wanting to loose money but at most it is going to cost you $15 to ship any knife.
 
It's amazing the lengths some people will go to in order to rationalize and justify not sticking to terms they previously agreed to...
 
silenthunterstudios said:
Whenever I give a counter offer, I always include "would you take $xxx.00 shipped and insured?"
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I usually ask what would you take shipped and Paypal'd. That seems to be a decent way to ask.

If I don't like someone's terms, I usually will just past on the sale!

Communication is always key! Never assume anything!
 
BLD522 ,

I think considering this is a community , Sometimes you just have to try and conform. Nobody is asking you to like serrations, tantos or re-curves,( I like them)

The less things Bad in the GBU forum the better. IMO

You may be able to do it right. someone will abuse it. and some will step up to be abused.

I much prefer as a buyer TYD. I really appreciate that type of FST. Its nice to save a few dollars however if a few dollars is going to break the deal. I didn't want it.
 
JCP1969 said:
BLD522 ,

I think considering this is a community , Sometimes you just have to try and conform. Nobody is asking you to like serrations, tantos or re-curves,( I like them)

The less things Bad in the GBU forum the better. IMO

You may be able to do it right. someone will abuse it. and some will step up to be abused.

I much prefer as a buyer TYD. I really appreciate that type of FST. Its nice to save a few dollars however if a few dollars is going to break the deal. I didn't want it.
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I hear you. But if I were a seller and you were a buyer, wouldn't you like it if I at least asked you how you wanted to pay for an item and how you'd like me to ship it to you? And wouldn't you like your costs to be predicated on the choices you make rather than the choices I make for you? It's all about what JDJ69, said: "Communication is always key! Never assume anything!" And I'd also add, "treat your customers the way you would want them to treat you if the roles were reversed". That's why, in my opinion, "net to me" and opening the doors to negotiate the terms of sale is a fair and honest way to conduct a transaction. It's also why I'll continue to use "net to me" when I post items for sale. If folks think that doing that is somehow ripping them off rather than giving them an opportunity to participate in the decision-making process, that's their shortsightedness, not mine.
 
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