Net prices on the knife exchange

bld522 said:
It's kind of funny when you stop and think about it. I'd much rather do business with someone who uses "net to me" than someone who states a "final price". The former gives me an opportunity to negotiate terms while the latter gives me none. I don't know about you, but I for one generally distrust people who won't negotiate with me.
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Just curious how that works? Either way you should be able to "negotiate" the price or terms!!
 
bld522 said:
It's kind of funny when you stop and think about it. I'd much rather do business with someone who uses "net to me" than someone who states a "final price". The former gives me an opportunity to negotiate terms while the latter gives me none. I don't know about you, but I for one generally distrust people who won't give me an opportunity to negotiate with them.
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A single price is given, not necessarily a final price. Someone list an item shipped to your door for $500, who's to say you can't offer $475? Or negotiate other terms. All it does is give you a simple number to negotiate backwards from instead of tacking more numbers on.
 
You're not seriously suggesting that people should be willing to negotiate down from a single price but not up from a net to me price, are you? Or are we just dealing with semantics here?
 
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bld522 said:
What's the difference between that and using a "net to me" price? With a "net to me" price, at least, you know the seller's bottom line. Or are we just dealing with semantics here?
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Why do I wanna bother with the seller's bottom line?
That seems to be much more interesting to him than me..
What I wanna see is MY final price.
After all, that is what's gonna leave my PP account.
 
Birnando said:
Why do I wanna bother with the seller's bottom line?
That seems to be much more interesting to him than me..
What I wanna see is MY final price.
After all, that is what's gonna leave my PP account.
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And you want him to TELL you that rather than give you the opportunity to NEGOTIATE that?
 
My take on it is the same as it has always been, if you want to sell a product list the price you want period. If you want someone to cover paypal fees, shipping, or any other charge simply factor it into the price.

I have had the same thing happen to me as the OP someone listed a price on a knife I paid the listed price then they asked me to send more to cover shipping and paypal fees. I asked for a refund, which I was given and the deal was off. Now asking someone to use "gift" in my book is the same as stealing plain and simple, and personally I don't care to deal with thieves.

Another thing I would like to add is the difference you see is add x for fees or that mess in Knifemakers for sale vs for sale by individuals. You will rarely if ever see a knife maker ask you to "add 3% for fees" or use "gift". Just another reason to buy from one of the talented makers on this forum.
 
bld522 said:
It's kind of funny when you stop and think about it. I'd much rather do business with someone who uses "net to me" than someone who states a "final price". The former usually gives me an opportunity to negotiate terms with them while the latter gives me none. I don't know about you, but I generally distrust people who won't allow me to negotiate with them.
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.......and while we're 'negotiating', somebody posts an "I'll take it" and the hopeful/negotiating member loses out while you the seller, still gets his sale. Not likely a high percentage chance of happening, but we've all been a minute or even seconds behind on the 'deal of the week'.

There's nothing sinister or even likely untoward in any of this and to each their own, but as with any deals I enter into here, car purchases, boats, boat motors, firearms, carpeting, what have you (less groceries, gas, utulities and such), the 'to my door' or 'out the door' price is all that I'm interested in. Call me lazy, math challenged or whatever, give me the all inclusive bottomline price....;).

What is glaringly evident and 'kind of 'funny' is that with all of the threads such as this, this thread being yet another perfect example, 95% or more of the posts promote the 'all inclusive' approach. This thread.......really only one that finds the 'net to me' and what that entails as a more preferable and honest (as opposed to 'distrust') choice. I'd suggest, rather vehemently, that much less shananigans can occur with an all inclusive price rather than one, not so. One all inclusive price just seems to me to be both more prudent and 'safe'. That's the approach that I still embrace after many years of leaping from my bedroom doorway onto my bed just to be safe from, well, you know. A tougher and much less graceful move these days now that I'm in my sixties, but that 'just to be sure' attitude obviously still remains, albeit, the 'boogie men' have changed.

I'd like to see the all inclusive 'mandate', but since that won't happen, as always, the choice is ours to make as to how we decide to spend our money. More importantly, how to spend our money and have it come out as smooth a transaction as one could hope for without someone grabbing me by my ankles while in flight. I think the obvious choice given those parameters is, well............pretty obvious.
 
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bld522 said:
And you want him to TELL you that rather than give you the opportunity to NEGOTIATE that?
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Just because a seller sets one all inclusive price does not mean they arent willing to negotiate. Thats why you see the terms like "firm" or "or best offer" in sales threads.
 
bld522 said:
And you want him to TELL you that rather than give you the opportunity to NEGOTIATE that?
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I am curious, can I give you a few examples, and you can show me how you would handle/negotiate them of you were interested it that item?

Knife is $100 net plus 3.5% for fee's, shipping on the seller

Knife is $100 plus $15 for shipping, no other fee's

Knife is $100 all inclusive.

Which one is more open to negotiating in your book?
 
bld522 said:
You're not seriously suggesting that people should be willing to negotiate down from a single price but not up from a net to me price, are you? Or are we just dealing with semantics here?
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Besides an auction, who wants to negotiate up?

Wish i could find the whole clip but this will have to do.
[video=youtube;UgT0uzzX1bs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgT0uzzX1bs[/video]
 
JDieseljoe69 said:
I am curious, can I give you a few examples, and you can show me how you would handle/negotiate them of you were interested it that item?

Knife is $100 net plus 3.5% for fee's, shipping on the seller

Knife is $100 plus $15 for shipping, no other fee's

Knife is $100 all inclusive.

Which one is more open to negotiating in your book?
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This... don't really get the negotiation argument, but it is a matter of perspective I suppose. From my perspective, if someone is trying to nickel and dime me by asking for Paypal fees on top (we're talking $3.20 for a $100 sale, $6.10 on $200, etc.), I don't see that person as more likely than normal to negotiate on the price, but instead someone trying to get every cent asked for
 
We're making this too complicated. Just tell me what you've got and how much you want for it net. Then if I'm interested, I'll contact you and we'll work out the details.
 
bld522 said:
We're making this too complicated. Just tell me what you've got and how much you want for it net. Then if I'm interested, I'll contact you and we'll work out the details.
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I would really like you to answer JDiesels question. Been trying to follow your logic all day, answering the question would help.
 
Total BS, seller pays the fees, no "Net to me" or "add %" just post the total price you want. That's how it works IMHO.
 
LastRodeo said:
I would really like you to answer JDiesels question. Been trying to follow your logic all day, answering the question would help.
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I'm sure you would. If you can't follow my logic, please don't buy anything from anyone who sells "net to me" and offers you the opportunity to negotiate the terms and conditions of the sale. I wouldn't want you to have to think too hard. ;)
 
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The way I see it is this: There's 3 types of people in this world. Those who can do basic math, and those who can't.

In all seriousness, 'net to me' implies a couple of things: The seller is too lazy or incompetent to add PayPal fees, shipping, insurance, etc... into his ad, that they're all too happy to violate PayPal's TOS if you're willing to go via the "gift" option, or maybe they're naïve enough to think that I'll jump on their item because the price "before fees" looks so much more appealing than the price "after fees".

My opinion? Sellers should NEVER use or allow gift option, they should insure the package unless THEY are willing to eat it if lost, and they need to list UP FRONT the price they need the buyer to pay. Whether they need the price to cover shipping and/or insurance, included taxes, fees, or whatever, I don't care. I just want to know the final price, and I shouldn't have to come up with it for you.

You're the seller. That's YOUR job.
 
knife to a gunfight said:
In all seriousness, 'net to me' implies a couple of things: The seller is too lazy or incompetent to add PayPal fees, shipping, insurance, etc... into his ad, that they're all too happy to violate PayPal's TOS if you're willing to go via the "gift" option, or maybe they're naïve enough to think that I'll jump on their item because the price "before fees" looks so much more appealing than the price "after fees".
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And "net to me" implies that the seller may respect his potential buyers enough to offer them an opportunity to participate in crafting the terms and conditions of the sale rather than dictating the terms and conditions of the sale to them.

Perspective is everything! :)
 
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