Will Power
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That's certainly shabby behaviour and a deception!
Quite simply, ALL prices shown should include ALL aspects, Delivered to your door is the price.
Simple, transparent no fuss.
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All For Sale threads must have a pic showing the knife being sold with written date listed, your username & Bladeforums or BFC to prevent photo harvesting from elsewhere - scammers hate this one trick! The rules for The Exchange can be found here. Please read and follow them. Stop using Paypal Friends & Family and follow our best practices to prevent getting ripped off or having a bad deal.
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Price is$300$250 ea (shipped within CONUS). If you live outside the US, I will contact you after your order for extra shipping charges.
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That's certainly shabby behaviour and a deception!
Quite simply, ALL prices shown should include ALL aspects, Delivered to your door is the price.
Simple, transparent no fuss.
John Johnson
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After fourteen years on BF as a member, the only thing for certain is that you can't please all the people, all the time.
If you don't like the mutual agreement that you're going to enter on buying a knife and it doesn't sit well with you, don't buy it and move on. Otherwise, what two consenting adults agree to on a mutual basis about payment or delivery methods are between the buyer and seller. Pretty simple here.
This argument has run ad nauseam since paypal began and resurfaces every so often. End results? See the two sentences above.
Edited to add: Profit on knife sales? What is this word that you speak of?:highly_amused: Seriously though, if you're going to get bent over a couple of dollars either way on a knife deal stop collecting knives and take up accounting as a hobby. It will probably prove to be less stressful in the overall scheme of things.
If you don't like the mutual agreement that you're going to enter on buying a knife and it doesn't sit well with you, don't buy it and move on. Otherwise, what two consenting adults agree to on a mutual basis about payment or delivery methods are between the buyer and seller. Pretty simple here.
This argument has run ad nauseam since paypal began and resurfaces every so often. End results? See the two sentences above.
Edited to add: Profit on knife sales? What is this word that you speak of?:highly_amused: Seriously though, if you're going to get bent over a couple of dollars either way on a knife deal stop collecting knives and take up accounting as a hobby. It will probably prove to be less stressful in the overall scheme of things.
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bigmark408
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After fourteen years on BF as a member, the only thing for certain is that you can't please all the people, all the time.
If you don't like the mutual agreement that you're going to enter on buying a knife and it doesn't sit well with you, don't buy it and move on. Otherwise, what two consenting adults agree to on a mutual basis about payment or delivery methods are between the buyer and seller. Pretty simple here.
This argument has run ad nauseam since paypal began and resurfaces every so often. End results? See the two sentences above.
Very well said.
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Thanks!
In all the years and thousands of dollars that have come and gone on deals here on BF, I've been burnt once and that was for probably fifty bucks and my own fault for allowing someone to pay half and then theoretically send the other half in a few weeks that's been more like several years. And then there was a knife coming from Austria that "disappeared" in US customs a couple of weeks after 9/11. Still waiting on that one.
Live and learn and move on.
After fourteen years on BF as a member, the only thing for certain is that you can't please all the people, all the time.
If you don't like the mutual agreement that you're going to enter on buying a knife and it doesn't sit well with you, don't buy it and move on. Otherwise, what two consenting adults agree to on a mutual basis about payment or delivery methods are between the buyer and seller. Pretty simple here.
This argument has run ad nauseam since paypal began and resurfaces every so often. End results? See the two sentences above.
Edited to add: Profit on knife sales? What is this word that you speak of?:highly_amused: Seriously though, if you're going to get bent over a couple of dollars either way on a knife deal stop collecting knives and take up accounting as a hobby. It will probably prove to be less stressful in the overall scheme of things.
Excellent interpretation
Whatever a persons motivation for violating Paypal's TOS are, be it laziness, greed, or out right dishonesty, None of those reasons are "noble" and detract from the sense of "Community" I come here for. Some don't know any better but once they do there's no excuse.
For this reason I choose not to do business with people who do.
Blatant public disregard for the rules reflects poorly on the individual and the community as a whole. But I agree, If I don't like it I can choose to move on, and I do.
For this reason I choose not to do business with people who do.
Blatant public disregard for the rules reflects poorly on the individual and the community as a whole. But I agree, If I don't like it I can choose to move on, and I do.
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If you manage to find online Utopia, let me know. I would love to join you there.
This thread has gotten some good miliage. I will not list "net to me" ever again lest someone label me as morally corrupt. In truth I can't remember ever listing that way.
Perspective, your buying a knife. Is discussing 3-4% worth getting mad at people on the forum that could prove to be great friends who share a common love of all things sharp? I don't mind the discussion, but the labels and name calling seem a bit over the top.
I agree that most probably don't know any better at first. Operative phrase "at first". I've used the gift option myself before as a courtesy because I didn't know any better.
It's because of threads like these that I do know better now and many other things for that matter.
All the more reason why this thread (Despite being done before) has value and should come up from time to time. I see it as a good thing. Especially for those that want to do the right thing the right way.
I live in the real world too and don't expect to find utopia. The forum is what we make it. I'm only responsible for my own conduct and behavior here. What others do is up to them.
The issue of 3% - 4% or making a profit has nothing to do with it. It's making a conscious willful decision to not follow the rules that bothers me. I'm only stating my opinion. People can do whatever they want. I simply don't condone the practice is all.
It's because of threads like these that I do know better now and many other things for that matter.
All the more reason why this thread (Despite being done before) has value and should come up from time to time. I see it as a good thing. Especially for those that want to do the right thing the right way.
I live in the real world too and don't expect to find utopia. The forum is what we make it. I'm only responsible for my own conduct and behavior here. What others do is up to them.
The issue of 3% - 4% or making a profit has nothing to do with it. It's making a conscious willful decision to not follow the rules that bothers me. I'm only stating my opinion. People can do whatever they want. I simply don't condone the practice is all.
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bigmark408
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All this aside, All you perfect humans make my eyes water alittle.
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I agree with Charlie - This should just become a rule.
Some people are very concerned about their feedback count and the perception of Bladeforums Members when participating in this forum.
Since using PayPal as a service and then cheating them out of their transaction fee by using the "gift" option is stealing, it says to me that people who do this are stealing. No grey area there.
Many believe that if you steal or cheat a big corporation or someone that is rich, that it is ok.
In my mind, it is not.
If you sell something, there should be one price that includes everything - one number, take it or leave it.
It would be ok to add additional cost if one wanted to have shipping options, such as Express Mail International that is considerably more expensive.
Example:
Selling_Member said:
This would make it very simple.
the PayPal fees are not as much, typically, as it costs me to drive to the post office, buy a pmo and then mail it to the recipient. My time is worth more to me than the PP fee.
That is my opinion on this.
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Or as much as 10% from a brick and mortar store depending upon which State he lives in . . .
It's difficult for me to get upset when a seller asks me to cover his PayPal fees. As opposed to having to pay State sales tax, covering PayPal fees is a bargain in my neck of the woods. And frankly, I don't care how the seller slices and dices his deal. It all comes down to dollars and cents for me. If the deal makes sense, I'll do it. If it doesn't, I won't.
In the final analysis, those who won't do a deal I'm interested in due to their righteous indignation over the way the deal is structured are actually doing me a favor by staying out of my way.
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Sounds good. But clearly that's not the way things are right now. What do you think it would take to accomplish that? And does the will exist to make it happen?
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