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In VA if you buy any goods on line and are not charged state sales tax by the seller, then by law you are required to pay the tax as part of your state tax return. Luckily no one cheats the govt.
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In VA if you buy any goods on line and are not charged state sales tax by the seller, then by law you are required to pay the tax as part of your state tax return. Luckily no one cheats the govt.
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It always bothers me to see the amount of animosity that topics like this can cause. Buyers, purchase knives from people that price them in the way you prefer. Sellers, sell knives priced the way you feel is right, but understand that there will be people that are turned off by "Net to me", or "If you are paying by Paypal add 3.5%" and you are going to lose these people as potential buyers. You are never going to get a consensus on this and in my opinion, it's not a big deal.
So if I post an XM-18 for sale at Hinderer's advertised price +3.5%, I'm going have a smaller pool of interested buyers because of the 3.5% thing?
My guess is that most of those who posted here stating that they skip over sellers who ask for fees to be paid, would be scrambling to post "I'll take it".
My guess is that most of those who posted here stating that they skip over sellers who ask for fees to be paid, would be scrambling to post "I'll take it".
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So if I post an XM-18 for sale at Hinderer's advertised price +3.5%, I'm going have a smaller pool of interested buyers because of the 3.5% thing?
My guess is that most of those who posted here stating that they skip over sellers who ask for fees to be paid, would be scrambling to post "I'll take it".
Why don't you try it and find out?
So if I post an XM-18 for sale at Hinderer's advertised price +3.5%, I'm going have a smaller pool of interested buyers because of the 3.5% thing?
My guess is that most of those who posted here stating that they skip over sellers who ask for fees to be paid, would be scrambling to post "I'll take it".
Considering that some people buy the knives just for the sole purpose of flipping them for twice the price, of course.
So if I post an XM-18 for sale at Hinderer's advertised price +3.5%, I'm going have a smaller pool of interested buyers because of the 3.5% thing?
My guess is that most of those who posted here stating that they skip over sellers who ask for fees to be paid, would be scrambling to post "I'll take it".
You're not going to do that, and if you did I think you could just add the 3.5% on, and it would sell just as fast.
I've always said Net To Me and I've never had a problem selling a knife. I don't say how I want payment or anything. Just Net To Me. I HAVE had to e-mail buyers and ask for additional funds because they paid my asking price via PayPal and then PayPal took a chunk. I'm not trying to cheat PayPal, they get their payment. I've also accepted money orders, which the buyers sometimes have to pay a fee for. Regardless, Net To Me, is a simple statement - how the buyer wishes to take care of it is not of my concern and I don't tell people to send me gifts... If you are turned off by my saying Net To Me, I don't really care. Again, all the knives I've sold have sold within a day or two of posting.
Forum: FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!
This is your area to tell about your experiences (Good or Bad) with dealers, sellers, and individuals you've bought, sold, and traded with.
Too many paypal/net to me/+3%/+4%/+your first born posts in the GB&U section. This section is for members to do as this sections title states. These paypal threads clutter up this section.
If someone wants a rule change, go to the Tech Support, General Q&A, Site Feedback & More.
This is your area to tell about your experiences (Good or Bad) with dealers, sellers, and individuals you've bought, sold, and traded with.
Too many paypal/net to me/+3%/+4%/+your first born posts in the GB&U section. This section is for members to do as this sections title states. These paypal threads clutter up this section.
If someone wants a rule change, go to the Tech Support, General Q&A, Site Feedback & More.
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Since a significant number of people don't like seeing the surcharge or "net to me" remarks in a sales thread, like many others have suggested, I agree: we ditch it. One set price.
Before I lose you, here's my reasoning: Obviously lots of folks don't like the surcharge. It's a significant enough number that these types of threads keep coming up. If we, as a community, move to a "one set price" rule we eliminate those threads, complaints, flag-waving, whatever.
"But then I'm losing out on money!"
I disagree. Paypal tells you to charge whatever you want to receive on an item with consideration to fees. If you want $50 + .30 + 2.9%, do the math yourself and post your price. Once everyone follows this model, the baseline for aftermarket prices will settle and buyers won't think twice about paying $51.75. You get your $50, you're not charging a separate surcharge, everyone's happy.
"But that means if I pay by money order, I'm losing out!"
This one is tough, because Paypal only says you may not charge a higher "handling fee" for Paypal vs. other payment methods. I suppose it's up to each individual to determine what is a handling fee and what is a discount "out of the kindness of your heart" for offering the convenience of a money order to your buyer. I imagine money orders make up a much smaller percentage of payments here on BF and the issue probably won't stir up as much ire as the surcharge. If you feel it does, start a thread and see if it gains traction.
On a related note, when you go to a retail store, you're paying one set price. You buy a pair of shoes, you're charged $99.99. That price was set by the retailer with consideration to credit card fees, which they pay to the CC companies in order to offer you the convenience of said payment method. You don't receive a 2 or 3% discount for using cash or check. Sad fact of life. That might not make you feel any better, but at least you can recognize that the Paypal fee isn't an isolated affront to your wallet. Should you decide to sell on the forums yourself, you'll get your revenge.
"You'd better be paying taxes on all online purchases!" You'd better not be selling prohibited items!"
As an online community, we can't reasonably police every minute activity that our fellow members participate it. Maybe you're not paying taxes, maybe you're downloading MP3s on the sly instead of paying for them, maybe you throw out batteries in the trash can, maybe you pinch a grape from the bunch at the grocery store. Irrelevant. While these types of arguments may serve to divert attention from the issue at hand, that's not the matter that's getting a ton of attention. Paypal surcharges are. Feel free to plead your case regarding those matters before the Bladeforums community and we'll see if it's got legs. This one does and people want a resolution.
Math is hard! Can't someone else do it?!
Hey, I hear you. I hate math. There is no one worse at adding numbers and percentages than myself, yet somehow I manage. You will too, I promise.
I know it's not a perfect solution for everyone, but rolling the fees into your final price will silence any detractors and you still get paid. I think it's the best solution for a sticky subject and I'd definitely like to see it implemented.
Before I lose you, here's my reasoning: Obviously lots of folks don't like the surcharge. It's a significant enough number that these types of threads keep coming up. If we, as a community, move to a "one set price" rule we eliminate those threads, complaints, flag-waving, whatever.
"But then I'm losing out on money!"
I disagree. Paypal tells you to charge whatever you want to receive on an item with consideration to fees. If you want $50 + .30 + 2.9%, do the math yourself and post your price. Once everyone follows this model, the baseline for aftermarket prices will settle and buyers won't think twice about paying $51.75. You get your $50, you're not charging a separate surcharge, everyone's happy.
"But that means if I pay by money order, I'm losing out!"
This one is tough, because Paypal only says you may not charge a higher "handling fee" for Paypal vs. other payment methods. I suppose it's up to each individual to determine what is a handling fee and what is a discount "out of the kindness of your heart" for offering the convenience of a money order to your buyer. I imagine money orders make up a much smaller percentage of payments here on BF and the issue probably won't stir up as much ire as the surcharge. If you feel it does, start a thread and see if it gains traction.
On a related note, when you go to a retail store, you're paying one set price. You buy a pair of shoes, you're charged $99.99. That price was set by the retailer with consideration to credit card fees, which they pay to the CC companies in order to offer you the convenience of said payment method. You don't receive a 2 or 3% discount for using cash or check. Sad fact of life. That might not make you feel any better, but at least you can recognize that the Paypal fee isn't an isolated affront to your wallet. Should you decide to sell on the forums yourself, you'll get your revenge.
"You'd better be paying taxes on all online purchases!" You'd better not be selling prohibited items!"
As an online community, we can't reasonably police every minute activity that our fellow members participate it. Maybe you're not paying taxes, maybe you're downloading MP3s on the sly instead of paying for them, maybe you throw out batteries in the trash can, maybe you pinch a grape from the bunch at the grocery store. Irrelevant. While these types of arguments may serve to divert attention from the issue at hand, that's not the matter that's getting a ton of attention. Paypal surcharges are. Feel free to plead your case regarding those matters before the Bladeforums community and we'll see if it's got legs. This one does and people want a resolution.
Math is hard! Can't someone else do it?!
Hey, I hear you. I hate math. There is no one worse at adding numbers and percentages than myself, yet somehow I manage. You will too, I promise.
I know it's not a perfect solution for everyone, but rolling the fees into your final price will silence any detractors and you still get paid. I think it's the best solution for a sticky subject and I'd definitely like to see it implemented.
Especially if you use one of the various/free Paypal Calculators. Like THIS ONE HERE.
As has been said before. It ain't Advanced Calculus...
Outside of eateries and other such more commonly visited businesses that have set prices (including tax), I always ask for a 'to my door or out the door price'. Such larger purchases such as new roofs (when all bids include the exact same materials desired), garage doors, siding, AC units, vehicles, boats to smaller purchases such as those where some bargaining is readiy accepted (gun and knife sales-local/internet/yearly shows in your area, etc.). If I'm interested in a knife here on BF and I feel that the seller/maker might be willing to let it go a bit cheaper (ie...that particular knife has not gotten any bites or it's been up for quite awhile and now resides on page 3 in the 'sales' section), I'll make an offer which is a 'to my door' offer or ask the seller/maker what price, 'to my door' he feels is reasonable.....and go from there.
I must admit that I also choose to pass on sales threads designating this and that in regards to how I am to pay. A grand total amount, less any other financial considerations, makes my buying experience much more fun and pleasurable. Whether this means that I'm lazy, math-challenged or just feel entitled for whatever reasons..........it is, by far, the way I like to do business.
I recently was interested in the type of steel used with this particular custom knife for sale. I asked the seller that question and he suggested that if I were interested enough, I should go to that persons site and research it. I don't mind learning nor becoming more knowledgable about most subjects, especially those which I'm passionate about, but I also expect that the idea and responsibility of full disclosure (if at all possible) lies with the seller, not the buyer.
This 'net to me', yada, yada, yada, so on and so forth request from a seller in regards to how a potential buyer should compute the sale and his purchase, is IMHO, akin to asking me to find out whatever I desire to know about a knife from sources other than the person who desires to sell the knife.
Every vehicle that I've ever purchased (from my '62 Chrysler Newport to our current X5) was purchased asking that one question......"how much out the door....?" Each vehicle base price is much cheaper before including the S&H, tax and many other prep charges. When all financial considerations are taken into account and you have that final figure directly in front of you, you can only then decide if that particular purchase is either affordable or worth cutting expenses elsewhere to be able to afford.
Sure...we're mostly talking about +3.5% of very little $ when compared to vehicles and such, but that 3.5% might mean one having to make a much more important decision for him and his family as opposed to many others not so 'constrained'. A total 'to my door price' allows that gentleman a better chance to immediately know if that item is affordable. A 'net to me' price can get the salivary glands going just enough for someone to quite willingly discount what those extra, add-on $'s will eventually add up to as a total price.
Perhaps not our concern as all here are considered adults and therefore 'responsible', but having a 'to my door' price can't help but produce more positive effects and smoother transactions. I truly can't think of any negative effects from having such a 'rule' in place as posting only 'to your door prices. The majority of posters in this thread would seem to support such a 'rule' and I'd bet that the majority of BF members would also consider this approach as a prudent approach to this subject that will always have 'legs' until finally dealt with............or not.
I guess there's always enough band width to allocate more threads to this exact same subject over and over again as it already has come up many times before. It just seems important enough for many to seriously consider a change and easy and conveinent enough for all members that not doing so makes little sense..........IMHO from what I've read.
I must admit that I also choose to pass on sales threads designating this and that in regards to how I am to pay. A grand total amount, less any other financial considerations, makes my buying experience much more fun and pleasurable. Whether this means that I'm lazy, math-challenged or just feel entitled for whatever reasons..........it is, by far, the way I like to do business.
I recently was interested in the type of steel used with this particular custom knife for sale. I asked the seller that question and he suggested that if I were interested enough, I should go to that persons site and research it. I don't mind learning nor becoming more knowledgable about most subjects, especially those which I'm passionate about, but I also expect that the idea and responsibility of full disclosure (if at all possible) lies with the seller, not the buyer.
This 'net to me', yada, yada, yada, so on and so forth request from a seller in regards to how a potential buyer should compute the sale and his purchase, is IMHO, akin to asking me to find out whatever I desire to know about a knife from sources other than the person who desires to sell the knife.
Every vehicle that I've ever purchased (from my '62 Chrysler Newport to our current X5) was purchased asking that one question......"how much out the door....?" Each vehicle base price is much cheaper before including the S&H, tax and many other prep charges. When all financial considerations are taken into account and you have that final figure directly in front of you, you can only then decide if that particular purchase is either affordable or worth cutting expenses elsewhere to be able to afford.
Sure...we're mostly talking about +3.5% of very little $ when compared to vehicles and such, but that 3.5% might mean one having to make a much more important decision for him and his family as opposed to many others not so 'constrained'. A total 'to my door price' allows that gentleman a better chance to immediately know if that item is affordable. A 'net to me' price can get the salivary glands going just enough for someone to quite willingly discount what those extra, add-on $'s will eventually add up to as a total price.
Perhaps not our concern as all here are considered adults and therefore 'responsible', but having a 'to my door' price can't help but produce more positive effects and smoother transactions. I truly can't think of any negative effects from having such a 'rule' in place as posting only 'to your door prices. The majority of posters in this thread would seem to support such a 'rule' and I'd bet that the majority of BF members would also consider this approach as a prudent approach to this subject that will always have 'legs' until finally dealt with............or not.
I guess there's always enough band width to allocate more threads to this exact same subject over and over again as it already has come up many times before. It just seems important enough for many to seriously consider a change and easy and conveinent enough for all members that not doing so makes little sense..........IMHO from what I've read.
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Over half the time if I send a PM and ask that I don't pay the fee the seller agrees.