Well this thread was started as a observation complaint. Considering the responses some buyers are just moving on if your not keeping it simple. I personally leave the door open to offers . I wouldn't put firm in a thread. I wouldn't even say PP ONLY. I could be flexible but I am not going to say I will bend over backwards to sell you this knife. It never hurts to ask unless your looking for a long drawn out discussion for a deal. Then you may just miss the boat. I am not very good at sales. I like to let what I am selling, sell itself. For example lets say a grey para2 in cts 20cp. maybe not for you but with good pics and TYD insured 200.00. It will be gone in the blink of an eye and a PM with negotiations will have you possibly regretting your tactics. I know many people in the knife community who have wished they pulled the trigger rather than trying to negotiate an already fair, clear deal. In fact around Christmas I sold a a spare grey para2. 150 face to face. The guy thought he would get to pick between the 2. I had to explain how reality was when dealing with me. I regret thinking this person had intentions of actually becoming a serious Knife collector which is what he tried to impress upon me. I bought it (his BS). However he will never get a knife from me again at my cost. Trying to cherry pick. Act like they are interested in quantity and just take the best value. Not to say its worth more than that to me but many people seem to think so. depending on how I am feeling I could explain the possible rarity of the knife and it steel. Then again I could also tell them about the hype if they intended to use. Wow I am rambling. I do understand your point. I am a pretty simple person. I can be way to indecisive . I need it simple.
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Clearly there are two points of view on this issue. And just because I happen to disagree with one of them doesn't mean that those who subscribe to it are wrong for doing so. It simply means that nothing they say is likely to make me change my mind.
"Net to me" is simple, clean, straightforward and totally understandable in my reality. I have NO PROBLEM making an unqualified commitment to purchase an item based on a "net to me" sale. The most I'm going to pay above the stated price for the item is the PayPal fee . . . 4% at most . . . and I'm prepared to add that amount to the price before I commit to the purchase. So there's no ambiguity in the sales price as far as I'm concerned.
"Net to me" is simple, clean, straightforward and totally understandable in my reality. I have NO PROBLEM making an unqualified commitment to purchase an item based on a "net to me" sale. The most I'm going to pay above the stated price for the item is the PayPal fee . . . 4% at most . . . and I'm prepared to add that amount to the price before I commit to the purchase. So there's no ambiguity in the sales price as far as I'm concerned.
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Last comment fingers crossed. I recently sold on a manufacturer provided forum a PP TYD insured. Today I am waiting on cash from across the Atlantic. Should be here today. Buyers should try and understand the sellers point of view and vise versa. This I hope we all can agree on. Lying and manipulating are pathetic in my opinion and I am a full blooded Hater when it comes to that behavior. Although I am as forgiving a person as anyone could possibly be assuming someone had to practice a bit of humility . Myself included.
Crap, fingers were crossed. I agree with your observation and feel net to me should not be a deal breaker. Although IMHO some aren't offering it as a favor to you. They are trying to use the buyers frugality against them. You sir, like many are an exception. Also Some people don't have paypal which is understandable. I personally include My PH # in any transaction as it can make communication much easier and ease many concerns.
If you don't use PayPal, a "net to me" transaction works in your favor. As long as the seller offers a cash (i.e., money order) payment option, you don't have to be concerned about paying a fee for a benefit you don't use. And telling the seller that he has to charge you the fee whether you use it or not is what's unethical in my reality, not the other way around. Some rules are meant to be broken . . .
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yea but 99% of my sales are switchblades. paypal will reverse the money in a heart beat if they find out it was for a switchblade. I have no protection and if you read there rules paypal works against me all of the way. so why would I risk it??
In your circumstances, you shouldn't risk it. And if I were in your position, neither would I. Then again, shipping a switchblade across State lines carries potential penalties far beyond any that PayPal might impose, does it not? If I'm right, having PayPal reverse a transaction could be the least of your problems.
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At the gun show this past weekend I found a pistol I liked at an excellent price. I talked to the man behind the table, settled on a price even better than the one on the tag, handed him my debit card and ID, and sat down to do the paperwork. About halfway through the 4473 he leaned over and said, "The price on the tags is our "cash price;" I'll add 3% to the sale for the card."
"3% of what?"
"3% of the price of the gun. It's only an additional 3 dollars per hundred."
"So an additional 12 dollars and change?"
"That sounds about..."
"No."
"Sorry?"
"No. I agreed to pay a price, now you're telling me it's more."
"Ok.... I can go 1.5%."
"You can go the price we agreed to or I can walk."
"Ok, I can go the price we agreed to. Jeeze."
I take credit / debit cards for my work and I have to pay a transaction fee as well when I do. What do I tell my customers when they ask if I take plastic? "Happily!" I make it up in increased labor charges somewhere else or a slight increase on the price of a part, but not on that transaction lest I risk losing a customer.
As a buyer... In a perfect world there would just be "PRICE" without having to do extra math. That being said, I really don't mind the "net to me" posts or the "plus fee" posts provided they are up front and honest about it. We always have the option of voting with our feet / wallet if we don't like the price or wording in the post. Even with the "fee" the deal is sometimes too good to pass up. I'll not let semantics, verbiage, or a poor grasp of language keep me from a good deal.
"3% of what?"
"3% of the price of the gun. It's only an additional 3 dollars per hundred."
"So an additional 12 dollars and change?"
"That sounds about..."
"No."
"Sorry?"
"No. I agreed to pay a price, now you're telling me it's more."
"Ok.... I can go 1.5%."
"You can go the price we agreed to or I can walk."
"Ok, I can go the price we agreed to. Jeeze."
I take credit / debit cards for my work and I have to pay a transaction fee as well when I do. What do I tell my customers when they ask if I take plastic? "Happily!" I make it up in increased labor charges somewhere else or a slight increase on the price of a part, but not on that transaction lest I risk losing a customer.
As a buyer... In a perfect world there would just be "PRICE" without having to do extra math. That being said, I really don't mind the "net to me" posts or the "plus fee" posts provided they are up front and honest about it. We always have the option of voting with our feet / wallet if we don't like the price or wording in the post. Even with the "fee" the deal is sometimes too good to pass up. I'll not let semantics, verbiage, or a poor grasp of language keep me from a good deal.
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all of the americain knife companys that make switchblades are shipping them across state lines. if you look at all of the auction sites you will see every body and there brother are shipping them across state lines. there goes the knife people if they put one person in jail for it then they have to put every body that is doing it in jail too.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_tax
If you purchase something online and do not pay sales tax, which is generally always the case, you are required by law to do so. By law online sellers are only required to charge sales tax when selling that item within there home-state, otherwise its the buyers responsibility.
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This is the most ridiculous post in this thread.
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"You can go the price we agreed to or I can walk."
"Ok, I can go the price we agreed to. Jeeze."
I take credit / debit cards for my work and I have to pay a transaction fee as well when I do. What do I tell my customers when they ask if I take plastic? "Happily!" I make it up in increased labor charges somewhere else or a slight increase on the price of a part, but not on that transaction lest I risk losing a customer.
As a buyer... In a perfect world there would just be "PRICE" without having to do extra math. That being said, I really don't mind the "net to me" posts or the "plus fee" posts provided they are up front and honest about it. We always have the option of voting with our feet / wallet if we don't like the price or wording in the post. Even with the "fee" the deal is sometimes too good to pass up. I'll not let semantics, verbiage, or a poor grasp of language keep me from a good deal.
I completely agree here. Don't hit me after I've said the 3 magic words, that's deceptive.
As I said before, I'll make the choice to pay the fees most every time. I had an exception just a few days ago. Someone I've dealt with before and can trust, and I had the $$$ in my paypal account. Both of those have to happen before I will/can use gift, so it's extremely rare.
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why is that please?? every thing I said was true.
Selective enforcement can work if it sends a wave of paranoia through a community practicing behavior it's designed to prevent. But if it doesn't, or if the odds of selective enforcement touching any particular individual in that community are so low as to be insignificant, it isn't worth a tinker's damn. A review of the history of the 18th Amendment should be sufficient to prove that.
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I agree with big mark. For this reason. Richards statement isn't factual or at least misleading. All manufactures don't and I highly doubt any do . Person to person isn't the same as Manufacturer to dealer or authorized users. Then again I'm sure there have been mistakes made. law enforcement would find little if any problems with manufacturers. When it comes to person to person. The postal inspector would have to contact law enforcement and it would always be on a small scale individual bases. Unless knife restriction become worse and anything and everything needs to be examined. Then it would become widespread prosecution. Lets hope everyone who owns a kitchen knife realizes these extreme measure could make preparing dinner a thing of the past.