New 2015 ZT lineup

PURPLEDC said:
That is what they do. The only saving grace is they dont charge a down payment. And if they never get it it doesnt hirt them. Knifecenter is always the first to start a preorder because they know the line will stretch around the block.
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I'd suggest it does hurt them, particularly if ZT delays shipment as they have a tendency to do. Remember the story I referred to earlier about the boy who cried wolf once too often?
 
bld522 said:
I'd suggest it does hurt them, particularly if ZT delays shipment as they have a tendency to do. Remember the story I referred to earlier about the boy who cried wolf once too often?
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The boy who cried wolf may effect some peoples willingness to buy from them but there is always another sucker waiting to take their place. They have been at it a long time and it hasnt slowed their business yet. That and when zt pulled the plug on limited editions and delays products it affects all dealers not just knifecenter. A lot of dealers take preorders. And all of them are effected regardless of when the preorders are taken.
 
PURPLEDC said:
The boy who cried wolf may effect some peoples willingness to buy from them . . .
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That's certainly true in my case.

PURPLEDC said:
but there is always another sucker waiting to take their place.
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Which sucker would you recommend replace me?

Point is, it's not a good business practice to string people along for too long. If you develop a reputation for doing that, people will stop doing business with you.
 
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bld522 said:
That's certainly true in my case.


Which sucker would you recommend replace me?

Point is, it's not a good business practice to string people along for too long. If you develop a reputation for doing that, people will stop doing business with you.
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Well lets be honest. When you place a pre order there is no guarantees at all. Eapecially on delivery dates. Knifecenter opens their lists early because they know people want to reserve their place in line and they offer the opportunity to do that and before anyone else. They are at the mercy of production schedules just as much as you are. Its not like they are purposely delaying getting you your order. I think you are simply looking at the glass as half empty. At least you have a place to put your order into. Any other expectations you have as far as delivery times and production schedules you fabricate yourself. Knifecenter doesnt promise or even hint at a time frame so why would you expect one? And too long is subjective, as is too much or not enough. When I place a preorder i do my best to have the funds deducted as if i paid and try and forget i even placed it. There is no reason to get antsy over a situation you cant control and even more pointless to place blame on those who arent responsible for any delays or hiccups. After all these are just knives. Its not an organ doner list. Its easy to forget we are talking luxury items here, not needs.
 
bld522 said:
That's certainly true in my case.


Which sucker would you recommend replace me?

Point is, it's not a good business practice to string people along for too long. If you develop a reputation for doing that, people will stop doing business with you.
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I think its a damnes if you do, damned if you don't. If you do like benchmade and release as soon as its announced, there's a pop and then its forgotten the next minute. If you announce to soon and take forever (see the 2.5yrs it took the Spyderco Foundry to debut) then you risk it being forgotten completely.

Shot is a trade show for industry folks only. Its a chance to debut it to dealers and get a sense of how many you need to make in the first run. Blade is a public show.

If I was running a company my goal would be to debut at Shot and have everything ready at Blade. Then of course material availability and production issues can change that.

The KAI vids so far have said 2nd quarter so it sounds like that's what they are shooting for. Whether or not all of them make it, who knows but hopefully they will start dropping by then.
 
Well in all honesty, I generally give all of my KAI business to just one guy, and he tends not to open his preorders until a product gets closer to its release date than the day it's announced. Call me silly, but I think there's a lot more integrity in handling preorders the way he handles them than trying to capture business at the earliest possible moment with absolutely no idea of when or even if delivery will take place.
 
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bld522 said:
Well in all honesty, I generally give all of my KAI business to just one guy, and he tends not to open his preorders until a product gets a lot closer to its actual release date than the day it's announced. Call me silly, but I think there's a lot more integrity in handling preorders the way he handles them than trying to capture business at the earliest possible moment with absolutely no idea of when or even if delivery will take place.
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Yeah but even then people whine about it taking too long for preorders to open up. Seriously though i dont think there is any lack of integrity to them opening a list on a production knife. They dont charge until its ready to ship and even then I always get a confirmation asking if i still want it and to finalize payment. If the item never makes it to market its no fault of the dealer. And in many cases other dealers have taken preorders by that time and they are dealing with the same thing. Sorry man, I simply dont think knifecenter is doing anything wrong but rather you are making a choice to look at it that way. Its pretty common knowledge of how knifecenter conducts its business. And when you place an order you agree to their terms of service. The boy who cried wolf intentionally tried to deceive for his own amusement. I would say thats far from the case in regards to knifecenter. Now if they were taking preorders for knives they knew they will never be getting and charging a nonrefundable deposit? Sure complaints are warranted. In this case? I just dont see a legitimate beef.
 
I hear you. I'll leave it here because this isn't really the place to discuss it and I'd prefer not to see this thread get sent to Feedback. But thanks for engaging me. :)
 
With that i still want the 0900 more than any of them. That little thing is calling to me.
 
The only sucker is anyone who sees a picture on the Internet and thinks they can buy whatever they see immediately.
 
bld522 said:
Was there some reason ZT couldn't already have switched blade steel and not lost hundreds if not thousands of 0562CF and 0620CF sales? Or is it more likely that they lose hundreds if not thousands of sales because they keep overextending themselves and biting off more than they can chew?
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Blade steel is not necessarily the only material that could be in short supply.

I would reiterate, I am sure that nobody wants to get the knives to market more than ZT or any knife manufacturer for that matter.

Nobody gets paid until the the knives are sold.

It's a great time to be a knife collector. It's never a good time to be impatient.

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mqqn
 
mqqn said:
It's never a good time to be impatient . . .
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. . . or naive enough to believe that placing a preorder is a guarantee that you'll get what you ordered, particularly in a time frame most ordinary folks would consider reasonable. Can I get a "HELL YEAH" from the 0562CF crowd? ;) :D
 
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bld522 said:
. . . or naive enough to believe that placing a preorder is a guarantee that you'll get what you ordered, particularly in a time frame most ordinary folks would consider reasonable. Can I get a "HELL YEAH" from the 0562CF crowd? ;) :D
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Yea, you can put me down for I gave up on the pre order. 6 months for a production knife is pushing the I have patience envelope.
 
Final Option said:
Yea, you can put me down for I gave up on the pre order. 6 months for a production knife is pushing the I have patience envelope.
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The funny thing is, ZT keeps stabbing themselves in the foot by announcing new knives and delaying delivery until the next round of new knives is announced. By that time, people have given up on their preorders of last year's models and walked away with a bad taste in their mouths. And some people wonder why I'm not a big fan of opening up preorders prematurely. :rolleyes:
 
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