New ESEE folder - the Zancudo

actually, the way Mike and Jeff tell it, BRK came to them and asked for a knife design.
again - just like the Ontario Rat1 folder, it's not an ESEE knife. it's not made to their specs, it's not sold by them to their dealers/distributors, it's not covered by their warranty, etc....
it's a BRK exclusive pattern that just happens to have been designed by the guys at ESEE.

Same way a CRKT knife may be designed by Elishewitz - but it's not one of his knives.
 
Alnamvet68 said:
While this is true, the original specs called for a Digi Cam G10, a black G10, and a orange G10, but as many folks know, or should know, digital camo in G10 is almost twice the cost of standard colors G10, so the decision was made to go with a Zytel like scale. The Tenacious may have G10, but is a Chinese made knife using inferior steel, which offsets the higher cost of G10, IMHO. But have no fear, you may be all surprised when a real G10 Zancudo, with a titanium frame lock, and possibly CPM S30V steel comes in 2014 to rock your world; and for those who say meh when it comes to Taiwan, look at all the $300 and $400 knives produced their for Spyderco.;)
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Which Taichung Spydercos are $300-$400!?
 
fsatsil said:
Which Taichung Spydercos are $300-$400!?
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Techno, Chaparral Titanium, Domino, Schempp Tuff just to name a few. Bear in mind that not all high dollar knives had Taichung stamped on the blade...it's a relatively new thing starting back in 2011. It fulfills one of the 12 Principles of Brand Strategy by connecting a superior product to the emotions of the consumer. Besides, the good folks in Taichung just wanted to be recognized by more than just a Made in Taiwan stamp, and separate themselves from other mediocre manufacturer's with perhaps a less than stellar reputation; to the ill informed, made in Taiwan meant cheap; "Taichung, Taiwan, SE Asia, Earth"...has a nice ring to it, dontcha' think?;)
 
I guess you are referring to the MSRP of those knives (none of them go for a street price of $300 to $400). But your point is well taken.
 
Ok it makes a lot more sense if he's referring to the MSRP because even the most expensive Taichung Spydercos have street prices well under $300. Either way I still love my Taichung Spydercos:)
 
1066vik said:
actually, the way Mike and Jeff tell it, BRK came to them and asked for a knife design.
again - just like the Ontario Rat1 folder, it's not an ESEE knife. it's not made to their specs, it's not sold by them to their dealers/distributors, it's not covered by their warranty, etc....
it's a BRK exclusive pattern that just happens to have been designed by the guys at ESEE.

Same way a CRKT knife may be designed by Elishewitz - but it's not one of his knives.
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It's not to their specs but it is their design? I see the part about licensing the design...

this is NOT an ESEE Knife. This is being built by Blueridge Knives. It is our design and they are building the design under license (same as the deal with the Ontario Model 1 folder)
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But Jeff and Mike do not build knives just as DPx Gear and TOPS and BRK and many others do not - Rowen and Imcasa and Lion Steel and the Taiwanese factory are the manufacturers. Rowen makes knives for TOPS and Becker as well. Some Benchmade knives are made in the Benchmade factory while others are made overseas by Sanrenmu on contract. But all Bussekin knives are made/built in the Busse shop. AFAIK all Entrek knives are built in Ray's shop. And therein lies the difference between comparing it to a custom-maker's knife vs. his design being manufactured by someone else - the custom maker makes the knife or licenses the design to another manufacturer. ESEE contracts a manufacturer (Rowen and Imcasa now, and whomever makes the sheaths/accessories, previously Ontario and Lion Steel) or in this case licenses a design to another company that contracts a manufacturer.

I get the point, ESEE is not contracting the construction/sale of this knife, just licensing the design and thereby getting their brand on it. I just worry that people get confused into thinking that, while this knife isn't built by ESEE some other knife is, while in reality ESEE does not make/build knives, i.e. they are not a manufacturer. Perhaps i am splitting hairs. And i guess, since ESEE doesn't have authority over build-materials or the QC (as they do with Rowen), it makes sense to say that it is NOT really an ESEE-knife and hence the lack of warranty.

Anyway, still looking forward to an "official" ESEE folder :thumbup: And I look forward to seeing whom they contract for the manufacture of that knife.
 
The confusion is understandable. Go to a website and they're listed under ESEE. The box is completely labeled as ESEE. The ESEE logo is on the blade. Looks like the left side of the blade has BRK-R1 near the base and the right side has BRK near the spine.
 
For those who have a compelling need to color coordinate their knives with their man purse, or want to make a fashion statement, or are just a bit light in the sneakers, perhaps a red scaled Zancudo will fit the bill.:D

 
Just checked the Knifecenter ad. They changed the description from Camo G-10 to Camo FRN.

They're getting it back from me & I'm not paying the shipping. Either that, or they'll have to compensate me in some other way.
 
Just called Knife Center. They confirmed the scales are FRN. They said to return the knife and they will issue a full refund, including shipping.
 
tas237 said:
Just checked the Knifecenter ad. They changed the description from Camo G-10 to Camo FRN.

They're getting it back from me & I'm not paying the shipping. Either that, or they'll have to compensate me in some other way.
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tas237 said:
Just called Knife Center. They confirmed the scales are FRN. They said to return the knife and they will issue a full refund, including shipping.
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So do you not like the knife or are you just upset about the false advertising?
 
fetzer85 said:
So do you not like the knife or are you just upset about the false advertising?
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Mine arrives today and I'm refusing the package so I don't have to mess with return shipping, I still like the knife, Ive actually already ordered a red one from BHQ with their free shipping deal, I'm returning the one to KC because of the false advertising and how they treated me on the phone when I called to question if it was G10 or FRN (after I ordered/paid online).
 
Just received 6 from one vendor with the new color(s) of foliage green. Hope I get the other 7 in Camo before Friday since the wife leaves for South America, and there are a bunch of nephews who can't wait to get their hands on these little puppies; best damn folder value on planet Earth if you ask me.:thumbup:
 
Cereal_killer said:
Mine arrives today and I'm refusing the package so I don't have to mess with return shipping, I still like the knife, Ive actually already ordered a red one from BHQ with their free shipping deal, I'm returning the one to KC because of the false advertising and how they treated me on the phone when I called to question if it was G10 or FRN (after I ordered/paid online).
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I can understand that CK. My coyote brown should be arriving today so if I like it I will likely follow suit and grab a red one too.
 
I get it, if it's truly over false advertising, but aside from that, can I ask exactly what, on a knife in this price range and size, does anyone think G10 will do over FRN??? The knives still have a full steel liner on that side under the scale.
 
Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
I get it, if it's truly over false advertising, but aside from that, can I ask exactly what, on a knife in this price range and size, does anyone think G10 will do over FRN??? The knives still have a full steel liner on that side under the scale.
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For me its 100% the issues I had, I don't mind FRN (tho I sure prefer G10, one reason being when its cold out G10 doesn't feel as cold as FRN and it hasn't been above 20* here in a week).

So anyway I called on the phone to ask when the issue first came to light on Tuesday and I was treated very poorly, today the knife came (plus KC has now changed their description to FRN) and my wife called and they were super nice and apologetic to her and pushed the refund threw (including shipping both ways). Again I've already ordered the BHQ Red exclusive (for $28 w/ free shipping) so I really don't have an issue with the knife, I have an issue with a dealer blowing off obviously knowledgable customers on an issue they arnt even sure about themselves. The lady on the phone (I won't call her out directly) said I was totally wrong and assured me it was G10, which was believable because its a dealer exclusive, and she wouldn't hear me when I said that I thought it might be FRN. That's the total issue with me, I will never use KC again even tho they did rectify the situation.
 
I can't believe this issue came up again. When the Rat 1 came out this all happened. Quickly once complaints began, the dealers changed the ads to reflect it wasn't G10. I love my non-G10 Rat 1 just the same, but wonder why the manufacturer/distributor/dealers keep making the same mistake. These knives are great and don't need the drama and confusion.
 
jdk1 said:
I can't believe this issue came up again. When the Rat 1 came out this all happened. Quickly once complaints began, the dealers changed the ads to reflect it wasn't G10. I love my non-G10 Rat 1 just the same, but wonder why the manufacturer/distributor/dealers keep making the same mistake. These knives are great and don't need the drama and confusion.
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WHAT!? Seriously? What a freaking joke...

(Fwiw I own both ray's and love them, I also got them knowing full-well it was FRN) its just crazy the same people do the same thing on almost the same knives. What dealers specifically listed the rat as G10 when it came out? I will be adding those to my do-not-deal with list aswell, do use consumers not deserve the truth? If this were china heads would be literally rolling.
 
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