New ESEE folder - the Zancudo

fsatsil said:
The Zancudo as well as Taichung Spydercos have completely changed my veiw on knives being made in Taiwan and IMO they are now every bit as good as Japan or the US as far as production knives are concerned.
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maybe but i still like to carry US made only knives. all my clothes are made overseas so i like to offset that with a US made knife.
 
Alnamvet68 said:
It's been listed as G10 since day one, and Knifecenter, Knifeworks, and every authorized reseller knows it's not, but list it as such because the distributor, Blue Ridge Knives continues to describe the scale as G10. Those of you who doubt it, and are already "pissed" and want to send it back should start getting ready to do without the knife. If the knife had G10 at that price, I would be highly suspicious of the quality of the steel and the construction. As it is, it's worth every penny and more. The scale, btw, is simply a Zytel like material, a nylon resin thermoplastic, impact resistant polyamide. It cannot be called Zytel because DuPont, who owns the patent, requires that the use of their product name must be advertised as such, and found stamped somewhere on the product.

Lastly, the fact it's made in Taiwan is a huge plus....not China, but Taiwan, which has a reputation for excellence in manufacturing of all things metal...knives, bicycle frame sets, etc.
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I'm the person your talking about "being pissed". I just called in (something I rarely do when orderig online) and they assured me without a doubt its G10, and not just because thats what the MFG said, but because thats what they determined, they also said they would gladly pay return shipping if it comes and its not G10...

(They also informed me its already shipped) so I guess I'll find out in a few days of I'm keeping it or not.
 
Cereal_killer said:
I'm the person your talking about "being pissed". I just called in (something I rarely do when orderig online) and they assured me without a doubt its G10, and not just because thats what the MFG said, but because thats what they determined, they also said they would gladly pay return shipping if it comes and its not G10...

(They also informed me its already shipped) so I guess I'll find out in a few days of I'm keeping it or not.
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I hate to tell ya' guy(s), but I just got off the phone with BRK, and after a search for their invoice from Paul Lin (the guy who owns the factory that makes the Zancudo & RAT folders), he (Jeff) found the invoice, and it clearly states the Zancudo, as well as the RAT folders have their scale(s) listed as faux G10; imagine that. Anyway, I guess there will be a couple or more of real pissed folks here for the next few days. Oh, and Blue Ridge Knives has already corrected their description of the knife, and will be firing off e-mails to the retailers who resell the knife to reflect the correction as well. Look to see faux G10 or more correctly, nylon as a description for the scales.;)
 
The description in a German online shop lists "black Zytel" for the scales... sounds more reasonable for the price imo.
 
Alnamvet68 said:
I hate to tell ya' guy(s), but I just got off the phone with BRK, and after a search for their invoice from Paul Lin (the guy who owns the factory that makes the Zancudo & RAT folders), he (Jeff) found the invoice, and it clearly states the Zancudo, as well as the RAT folders have their scale(s) listed as faux G10; imagine that. Anyay, I guess there will be a couple or more of real pissed folks here for the next few days. Oh, and Blue Ridge Knives has already corrected their description of the knife, and will be firing off e-mails to the retailers who resell the knife to reflect the correction as well. Look to see faux G10 or more correctly, nylon as a description for the scales.;)
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Since they're not a dealer/seller themselves I dont believe it would be against and site rules- would you mind posting the contact info and/or the person you specifically spoke with? I'd like to contact them myself.

To be clear I have no problem with FRN, I have many spyderco's in it and I own and love both my rat 1 & 2, but I purchased the digicam version specifically because it was G10, not "fauxG10" or any other material, so I've got an issue with that.

You don't sell fool's gold or cubic zirconium as the real thing, and you don't list it as the real thing either just to change it a day later, that's shady and just overall bad business practice. I don't care about the knife anymore, the moment it comes its going back, and not as a refusal either, they're payin the return shipping. There's 1000's, no 10,000's of knives that are correctly marketed that I would rather spend my money on...
 
No, they're not a dealer or a reseller, they just happen to be the ones who collaborated with Mike Perrin (who designed the Knife) and put up the front money to manufacture these knives...they buy the knives and distribute to resellers; in a word or two, "Burning Bush" comes to mind when I offer you the true facts. That said, have a very merry and blessed Christmas cereal....it is that time of the year, wouldn't you say...caca happens, and it's a small error in product description, and they will correct it, but if you have this burning need to go all out postal with whomever, have at it.;)
 
grownstar said:
Yeah, I think they're all gonna be frn
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For now.....let's just say I see a Zancudo or Avispa in the future with upgraded steel, titanium framelock, and real G10 as the next step in this collaborative evolution of the ESEE/BRK folder; oh, and you can take that like it's really coming from the "Burning Bush"......really.;)
 
Alnamvet68 said:
No, they're not a dealer or a reseller, they just happen to be the ones who collaborated with Mike Perrin (who designed the Knife) and put up the front money to manufacture these knives...they buy the knives and distribute to resellers; in a word or two, "Burning Bush" comes to mind when I offer you the true facts. That said, have a very merry and blessed Christmas cereal....it is that time of the year, wouldn't you say...caca happens, and it's a small error in product description, and they will correct it, but if you have this burning need to go all out postal with whomever, have at it.;)
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Again I ask... Would you mind posting the contact info of this "Jeff" person you spoke with?


BTW a happy Xmas to you aswell!
 
Yup. FRN with a patterning to resemble G-10. No, not an ESEE product, just an ESEE design. Made and marketed independently, not under their own line, much like the Ontario RAT line.
 
The Tenacious ($30) has G10 scales so considering the Zancudo is smaller it isn't completely ludicrous to think they couldn't have done G10 in that price range. Not an argument - just a statement - I know they're FRN. I have no complaints though on the FRN on my RAT 1.
 
fetzer85 said:
The Tenacious ($30) has G10 scales so considering the Zancudo is smaller it isn't completely ludicrous to think they couldn't have done G10 in that price range. Not an argument - just a statement - I know they're FRN. I have no complaints though on the FRN on my RAT 1.
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While this is true, the original specs called for a Digi Cam G10, a black G10, and a orange G10, but as many folks know, or should know, digital camo in G10 is almost twice the cost of standard colors G10, so the decision was made to go with a Zytel like scale. The Tenacious may have G10, but is a Chinese made knife using inferior steel, which offsets the higher cost of G10, IMHO. But have no fear, you may be all surprised when a real G10 Zancudo, with a titanium frame lock, and possibly CPM S30V steel comes in 2014 to rock your world; and for those who say meh when it comes to Taiwan, look at all the $300 and $400 knives produced their for Spyderco.;)
 
Real digicam G10 may be expensive but there's way around that, look at how spyderco does its digicam G10, its just a printed design on natural G10, you can sand it off, even just scratch right threw it.

You're statement was very opinionated, many people would completely disagree on your saying AUS-8 from whatever manufacturer BRK/ESEE is using >8Cr13MoV from spyderco.


I guess regardless of either of our opinions on the knife what I don't understand is why you're attacking me.

(To other people that are reading- it goes farther than what's posted in this thread, his bolded statements are taking shots at me stemming from a disagreement we had via email a couple weeks ago).
 
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chiral.grolim said:
ESEE fixed blades are made by Rowen Manufacturing in Idaho. Rowen has made knives for Becker and others as well. The machetes are made by Imcasa in El Salvador. The canvas MOLLE sheaths/attachments are made in Mexico (last I heard). I'm not sure who makes the plastic sheaths or other accessories. But ESEE does not 'make' knives or indeed any of its products. The Zancudo is as ESEE as anything ESEE, it just happens to be made in Taiwan. *shrug*
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The phrase "NOT an ESEE knife" was a direct quote from Jeff Randall. See the Zancudo post on his site for yourself and argue the wording with him. *shrug*
 
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Alnamvet68 said:
It's been listed as G10 since day one, and Knifecenter, Knifeworks, and every authorized reseller knows it's not, but list it as such
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Can't speak for the others, but I was watching Knifeworks for weeks waiting to order when they first came out, and never saw them say "G10".
 
addylo said:
The phrase "NOT an ESEE knife" was a direct quote from Jeff Randall. See the Zancudo post on his site for yourself and argue the wording with him. *shrug*
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Yeah, there's a lot of words I'd dispute from the man, but I read that as "the Zancudo isn't covered by the warranty our Rowen-made fixed-blades carry. Just like the ESEE machete that isn't ESEE." My point is that ESEE does not make knives, sheaths, or accessories, they are all contracted from manufacturing companies. They designed and contracted the manufacture of the Zancudo with their label making it every bit as ESEE as anything else they sell. But their warranty only covers the Rowen knives. *shrug*
 
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