New Rules for the Exchange forum - Feedback thread.

On a side note, bumps still add the thread to the "New Posts" listing and the front page, so threads will still get traffic from bumps and such, they just won't frivolously skew the actual forum listings.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Don't cherry-pick previous possibilities. We're trying to make a new system work, not accommodate you at every else's expense.
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Ok, well let's not get on Spark about the agreement that I would become a dealer if I was allowed to post in the Busse Exchange. And I believe there are two other dealers in that same exchange also....
 
Exchange Feedback: I like the new system. Change is hard. I say give it a few weeks.

The resolve is ONE click away: Click on 'Last Post', and there is the sort order as it always has been. Bumps are in corrected order. (You have to exit the forum and return to resort to the new staging)

Makes perfect sense to me. I LOVE the potential ability to loosen the infraction grip on query messages.

Coop
 
Kevin, u182 brought up a good point in the "Something strange" thread. People who make things besides knives have pretty much grown comfortable posting them in the Individual forums. Since that's a high traffic area and their threads get bumped quickly, having a section for them would reduce turnover for those specific threads since the new "no bump" policy is in place. It would also get them out of the Individual forum, where they don't belong anyway.

Considering we already have a forum for that specific thing in the Knifemaker Discussion section, how would you feel about moving that forum (or all of them for that matter) to the Exchange so that they'll be noticed more. I mean lanyards, sheaths, etc. really don't belong in the Knifemakers' section anyway IMO, and it it would get them out of the Individual forums, while still being in the exchange. Just a thought.
 
Well, as a maker in the FS maker section I LIKE THE NEW CHANGE , not crazy about the 14 day new thread ( repost ) but time will tell . Thanks Guys .
 
Here's how it is: it's not possible to make everyone happy. It's not even remotely feasible.

In a traditional "classified ad" format, you wouldn't be able to bump your ad at all. It'd be visible, or it'd be expired, and that's it.

Previously we were faced with two choices: become increasingly draconian on bumping, or ignoring it altogether. Now a third option has been presented that is going to make the entire bumping issue moot... because nobody will be able to bump.

We will not be modding the forums. Again, I'm sorry, but it's going to happen. It's not perfect, but I'm not going to be modding software and opening up potential further problems.

Looking at how threads are being posted, it appears that if you post a thread in most of the exchange subforums, it's going to stay on the front page for an entire day, or longer. Here we are at 9PM and threads posted yesterday in Knives For Sale by Individual are still on the front page. Previously, they'd be on page 4 or 5 by now. For that matter, threads posted 7 days ago are on page 8 right now. I don't see the problem with this; chances are if people can't find what they are looking for immediately, they are going to search which need I remind everyone, is now available to all members.

No more is there a jumbled mess. No more do the mods have to run around like chickens issuing bumping rules infractions, or chatting infractions, or all the rest. No more do people get their feelings hurt for getting warnings after not reading the rules. All in all, I'm pretty pleased with the results thus far.

Yes, some people don't like the change. Some people have had very constructive criticism. We'll continue taking that criticism and using it to make positive changes to better serve everyone. If this doesn't work, so be it - we'll go back to the old system after we've seen the problems and agree that things are worse.

We can leave rules in place if their absence is going to cause problems, and create new ones as well. Dealers posting in the individual forums, like Liu Kang, probably should keep their threads consolidated. Furthermore, it'd probably behoove you to set up some sort of website showing what you have available - if you have 85 knives going at any time, it's time for you to think about something more polished than relying on a webforum as the be-all-to-end-all of your selling needs.
 
ok, reading this verbatim. these rules apply to the EXCHANGE forum,

what about the KnifeMaker's Market?

or did i simply not read far enough?
 
It applies to all sales forums. Also, the KnifeMakers sales are going back to the Exchange list with the others.
 
The new rules were fine but the newest changes are stupid in my opinion. I fail to see the why I'd pay money to be able to sell a knife with a once every two weeks bump. People buy what they see when they have got some money burning a hole in their pocket. As for moderating the exchange--it's excedingly simpler to look at when a thread was last bumped (within 72 hours or not) than it is to police every thread started by a seller to see that the same knife hasn't been listed in the past 2 weeks. The original changes were good but the latest changes are lame.
 
SharpByCoop said:
Exchange Feedback: I like the new system. Change is hard. I say give it a few weeks.

The resolve is ONE click away: Click on 'Last Post', and there is the sort order as it always has been. Bumps are in corrected order. (You have to exit the forum and return to resort to the new staging)

Makes perfect sense to me. I LOVE the potential ability to loosen the infraction grip on query messages.

Coop
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I thought the same thing Coop (click on LAST POST header), and I'm still trying to get a grip on how this will actually appear. I don't think the SELLER editing the OP would affect the thread order like a BUYERS comment would. Am I correct about that?
 
Even though its still fresh, I think I like the new set-up as a buyer and seller more then the previous system. As long as people become familair with hitting the last post button or sort it at the bottom, then nothing is really different, just the default. * Oh and its more relaxed.
 
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Soulrack223 said:
The new rules were fine but the newest changes are stupid in my opinion. I fail to see the why I'd pay money to be able to sell a knife with a once every two weeks bump. People buy what they see when they have got some money burning a hole in their pocket. As for moderating the exchange--it's excedingly simpler to look at when a thread was last bumped (within 72 hours or not) than it is to police every thread started by a seller to see that the same knife hasn't been listed in the past 2 weeks. The original changes were good but the latest changes are lame.
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Please bare in mind that this is Spark's first attempt at setting up rules for this new system. There was a reason that I avoided offering a suggestion for time between reposts when I posted this idea... that's because, on paper, it would be impossible to say.

Two weeks is the current default for shown threads in all subforums here at BF, so it makes a very logical starting place for the repost rule. Now that Spark and the other mods can get a sense of what to expect, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that number change sooner or later.



Also, a lot of the moderation under this new system will need to come from us, the community. When we see someone abusing the rules, all we need to do is flag one of their posts for moderation and walk away.
 
thawk said:
I don't think the SELLER editing the OP would affect the thread order like a BUYERS comment would. Am I correct about that?
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You're right. Editing the OP (Original Post) would NOT bump the thread.

That said, I'd MUCH prefer a fresh post letting me know there is a change in the thread (or cost ;)). The new system allows this without the original format being corrupted.

Fascion, thanks for the idea. Spark, thanks for implementing it.

Coop
 
Fascion said:
Please bare in mind that this is Spark's first attempt at setting up rules for this new system. There was a reason that I avoided offering a suggestion for time between reposts when I posted this idea... that's because, on paper, it would be impossible to say.

Two weeks is the current default for shown threads in all subforums here at BF, so it makes a very logical starting place for the repost rule. Now that Spark and the other mods can get a sense of what to expect, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that number change sooner or later.



Also, a lot of the moderation under this new system will need to come from us, the community. When we see someone abusing the rules, all we need to do is flag one of their posts for moderation and walk away.
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You are clearly a guy who does a lot of critical thinking. The world needs more like you. Thanks for your great ideas---this may turn out to be a better system for everybody.

One positive thought that occurred to me that you touched on above is that if you set the view to two weeks then you automatically only see the fresh threads, or the really old ones (two weeks is an eternity in Exchange years!) that have been reposted and are 're-freshed'.

Did you check the Exchange three days ago? Great, then just view posts from the last three days---by definition now they are all new.

Additionally, since replies don't jostle stuff around nearly as much, thready will stay at the top longer and will be 'stable' in terms of position should you want to come back to them.

It will be interesting to see how the trial run works out.
 
I don't think a lot of people like this system, I have noticed many people have just joined other forums because I don't think they are sure or like this forum any more. And that is not a good things because manufactures/dealers/makers will go where the people go...
 
Liu Kang said:
I don't think a lot of people like this system, I have noticed many people have just joined other forums because I don't think they are sure or like this forum any more. And that is not a good things because manufactures/dealers/makers will go where the people go...
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+1:thumbup:
 
Liu Kang said:
I don't think a lot of people like this system, I have noticed many people have just joined other forums because I don't think they are sure or like this forum any more. And that is not a good things because manufactures/dealers/makers will go where the people go...
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azwelke said:
+1:thumbup:
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Like I posted before, I thought the initial changes were great, essentially what ar15.com does (which is a MASSIVE forum with tons of trial and error) but the no bumping, just create a new thread every 2 weeks for a knife and different threads for each knife, makes it harder to see what are active for sale threads and makes it harder to police. I'm active on several forums for knives, guns and flashlights. I have experience in how several for sale forums work and the newest bladeforums changes are not consistent with the different forums on the net. I've made sales to guys who joined simply to buy something but now I'm afraid it won't make sense or be too difficult to find the knife they're looking for to someone coming over from ar15.com or candlepower forums looking for a knife.

The Busse Knife group is the only thing keeping me here after the last change. I'll keep a Basic Membership for Busse as long as they're active here but if these changes become permanent I will be spending my money for sale privleges at one of the other knife forums next year instead of bladeforums. YMMV but I just want it to be known that I don't approve.
 
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