New Strider failure

You know nothing about the knife in question really. The poster admits he took it apart. How do we know he didnt screw it up?

Actually, I gather the original poster was able to fix the problems satisfactorily without having to send it in. Which means to me that annoying as it is to have so expensive a knife not work right out of the box, it wasn't really that badly made that it couldn't be put right.

We seem to be going on at length about a minor problem.
 
I mean no disrespect to you esav (honestly), but in my opinion, there are no such things as minor problems on 400 dollar knives.

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Fair enough, I don't have proof about Mick's complaining about some other knife makers, only what others have told me, and they could be lying.

But I wasn't critiquing his alleged badmouthing. If he really think knife company A sucks, he's within his bounds of stating that. I don't think this is analogous to me and Strider, but you get the idea I think.

So I'll remove that from my argument.

I think we're just getting back to the auxillary problems issue and Hume's problem with induction. I get what you're saying--he might have (intentionally/unintionentially) sabotaged his own knife and blamed Strider for it. But does this seem a likely explanation?

I will concede that it's possible that there's a significant conspiracy where people buy Strider knives and then mess them up to get revenge on Strider for some reason. I will further concede that it's possible tiny gremlins actually crawl into the box and modify the knives in transit for some reason.

Both are completely possible hypotheses, but their explanatory power is weak. My explanation (Strider messed up) seems far and away the most likely.

I take your lack of a rebuttal to my critique means you're reasonably satisfied with how I laid out your argument?

In any case, let's examine your second argument.

Mick Strider said what about whom? and you have proof or just think it so?

What was it Shakespeare said ? " Methinks he doth protest too much"

You know nothing about the knife in question really. The poster admits he took it apart. How do we know he didnt screw it up? Seems anyone with a dremel and micro screwdriver thinks himself a knifemaker.


I know very little about you sir; only what you write. Thats all I have to judge you by.

Premise 1: You haven't good reason to believe Mick Strider talks about other manufacturers
Premise 2: You complain too much
Premise 3: You haven't seen the knife and thus are unable to be certain that there was ever a problem from the factory anyway
Conclusion: You shouldn't be complaining

I concede premise 1. My knowledge of Mick Strider's behavior is mostly second hand (mostly...)
Premise 2: You're probably right. People should do better work so they wouldn't have to hear me when they screw up.
Premise 3: You're right here also. I can't see the knife to guarantee that the knife owner isn't incompetent, lying or just part of the "Strider Conspiracy." A review of my posts in this thread will reveal that many of them speak cautiously, and request photos, etc. But it seems more likely than not he's being honest--even if he isn't, there's no shortage of threads like these to evaluate.

So I think this argument is cogent. But I did post most of my writing in such a way to make me immune to this--I generally start with "if this is as bad as it sounds" kind of talk.

But perhaps I should stop complaining for other reasons. I'm satisfied I'm right, and the Strider fans wouldn't be convinced even if their own knife got shipped to them in a pile of bent and charred metal. I can't hope to affect them using logic. Besides, I'm tired and in pain. So I think I've made my point...
 
Posted earlier by ginshum:
"Strider makes some great knives, but their quality control deffinately leavs something to be desired."

..Yep ,I have sent a few back my self with problems..
 
He trash talks Emerson--let's see him do THAT in front Emerson. I can't blame him though...no sane person would trash talk emerson 3 feet away from that guy.
WHAT? Where on earth did you come up with that? I've never heard of such a thing, and Emerson would know as the only place they both frequent is the USN.
And everyone on there watches for any transgretions against any of the knifemakers. Nope, don't buy it.
 
Fair enough, I don't have proof about Mick's complaining about some other knife makers, only what others have told me, and they could be lying.

A lot of knives do suck so it doesn't surprise me that Mick would make such comments. It is difficult however to assign any meaning to them without knowing the context and the relationship between those individuals.

We seem to be going on at length about a minor problem.

Yes, I am sure that a knife maker like R. J. Martin who makes similar quality knives who had an apprentice in his shop would accept a knife where the lock didn't engage and a blade stud fell off immediately upon use as minor problems. Significant problems would be things like forgetting to ship a blade with the handle, small details the user could not easily address on a $400 knife.

-Cliff
 
What caught my attention about this thread was the title - NEW STRIDER FAILURE. Then the original poster relates to how he acquired the knife, how he went about trying to fix the knife after learning about its shortcomings, and how he came on this forum to report on those said shortcomings. Ok, I didn't want to get into this thread coz I know it would tun heated as HECK, but I feel I got to put in my 2 cents worth.....

I'm from the Philippines. I'm an LEO. Before going back to the Philippines, I lived in the U.S. (specifically, in California) for about 5 years, and served my time in the U.S. military. Because of MY particular experiences, I think I am qualified to say that it is hard to have to buy imported stuff (especially knives, guns, and other tactical gear) and having to find out that they're messed up and I have to send them back for repair. This part sucks, since it does cost a lot of money to send things back (you have to pay for shipping, return shipping, insurance, etc.). Plus, their is that added danger of having to lose items because of either faulty shipping or "corrupt" people who think it's better to "acquire" things illegally (in other words, "stealing").

That being the case, I choose my purchases carefully just to make sure I get the best products possible, products that I know I can use without worry or hit the ground running.

Guess what? Stuff happens. Even if I happen to choose the coolest or most well-made gear out there, I guess it's just my dumb luck that I still get specimens/items that are not "perfect out-of-the-box". I could name a few examples, but I won't just out of proper decorum. Besides, I'm trying to stay on topic (as much as I can).

As things are presently set up, we have only one (1) dealer here in the Philippines that carries Strider knives. This particular dealer is the most progressive/forward-looking dealer here in the Philippines as far as tactical items and gear is concerned (one of the owners is a certified SWAT trainer), and I've had great experiences with them as they have cared to carry only the very best. The fact that they carry Strider knives speaks a lot to me about the quality of the product (btw, they also carry Emersons, Kershaws, and a host of other brands) as they only carry those brands which they feel are "up to par" with the usage that their customers do with these products. As far as their experiences go, they have never had QC issues with Strider knives, and this observation went a long way into purchasing my very own Strider.

Before I bought my Strider, I did a lot of research as well as handled one at my dealer's shop. I could attest that the one I handled was a recently produced, since I also got a ZT 0301 from them which they also ordered, and the production stamp on that latter blade was Sept. '06, and I was also there when the shipment arrived. However, being the inveterate tinkerer and nit-picker that I am, I just couldn't leave well enough alone, so I "tweaked" Strider to my specs! I disassembled it. And yes, I did use pliers. I thought my thumbstuds were loose, and I tightened them up so that they won't come off. I also bent the liner because I "thought" that it had some blade play, and now the liner locks up in the middle of the blade tang. I also tightened the pivot.

Given that I am a klutz and not really mechanically inclined, I was surprised that I was able to disassemble my knife and and put it back together again. And know that I have it tweaked, it just works perfect for me. I've put my Strider (it's a GB, by the way) through all sorts of S#&T, and it's still functioning. However, I know for a fact that even though it might be a pain to do so, the warranty is there so if I really found something to gripe about it, I would have sent it back and have Mick, Duane, and the guys fix it to my satisfaction. That would have been the first thing I would have done.

My question is: How come he never even tried to contact Mick or Duane at Strider knives? If he read up about Strider before purchasing his knives, then he should be aware of the lifetime warranty. I'm just curious as to why he immediately went to this forum to highlight the supposed STRIDER FAILURE when he hasn't even contacted the manufacturers. Being that this is an internet forum, and he took the time to speak of his woes, how come there is so much detail about how the "brand new" knife failed him, and yet he could not really detail how he came about acquiring the knife? If he did his research, he would have known at least one reputable internet dealer where he could get Striders and be assured that they're "fresh".

Strider knives, unlike other knives, don't come "aesthetically" perfect, and I know that is unacceptable to some, but given the chance, I deeply believe that the makers would "make it right" to the particular buyer's satisfaction if they had been given the chance to do so, whether or not the knife was bought directly from them, a dealer, or from Joe Schmo down the street.

We live with the circumstances we're dealt with, and sometimes the hand that we are dealt with sucks, but there are better, more fulfilling ways of getting reparation than just going on the Internet and proclaiming far and wide why a product fails when it hasn't even been through the "ringer", so to speak.

That being said, let's all be honest and show this thread for what it really is - another attempt to bash Strider knives. Maybe it wasn't the intention of the original poster, maybe a lot of people are just airing out genuine concerns, but there are also a substantial number of people here who, whether they admit it or not, just get the jigglies bashing strider, and no amount of philosophizing, double-talk, or techno-babble will change that.

Yes, I am a Strider fan, and am proud of it. And if you have a problem with Strider, go up to their place and let them know you have a problem. Heck, if I needed to , I'd find a way to go back to the States just to rectify a problem that I may have with Strider. I may not personally know these guys, but I will give them a first shot at making their product right (should anything go wrong), not go on the Internet and start spouting negative things about them without backing the same up with proof (pictures, at the minimum).

Their maybe some intense Strider fans out there, but so what? There are just as many "intolerable" people there who just have the jollies bashing others. Yes, I happen to like Striders, but I also know that I respect other brands as well, and I don't resort to attacking them just because they may have some problems at the onset.

If you don't like Striders, nobody is forcing you. If you have a problem with one that you bought, bring it up with the manufacturer first. There is nothing wrong with that, that is the American way. But to those of you who just plain "don't get it", stop being whiny crybabies who take every little defect as a chance to dump more "POO" on a particular manufacturer that you don't like, including up to rehashing old accusations about who and what that manufacturer is! Man, that gets old real fast, and it doesn't really prove anything other than some of you guys out there (you know who you are), being spoiled with the excellent freedoms that you enjoy, would just as soon complain that the toilet paper is "rough" and "abrasive" as soon as it touches your A$$e$ instead of going to the manufacturer to have him improve his product or just buy another brand altogether.

To each his own. Respect each other's rights and choices, not be preachy and almighty and trying to force your own views down the majority's throats!

By the way, my Strider still isn't perfect- but I'd bet my life on it and I wouldn't have it any other way!!!!
 
Blah blah blah,
everyone can buy brand new Strider knife, send it back to manufacturer, pay his turnaround charge, and THEN get knife in condition in which it would be acceptable to leave a shop and sell such a thing for anyone else except Strider, "the tactical, meant to be used products". (cars are meant to be used million times more than Strider, yet hardly any brand is brave enough to sell rusty and pre-scratched cars).

What a deal.

BTW fear of talking about it, because it is "bashing" and putting Strider down, therefore nobody will know how great quality control Strider has (but hey, you can do aforementioned) and people will be "surprised" with their brand new knife again and again.

Sort of Catch 22, isn't it?

To each his own...
 
Guess what? Stuff happens. Even if I happen to choose the coolest or most well-made gear out there, I guess it's just my dumb luck that I still get specimens/items that are not "perfect out-of-the-box".

I agree. An off centered blade on a hundred dollar knife is worth getting angry at, but isn't wholly unacceptable. It happens. Having a lockbar that doesn't touch the tang, on the other hand, simple negligence.

Strider knives aren't the most well made knives out there. Have we ever seen a thread like this on the sebenza? If there has been one, it was an extremely rare event.

How many complaints do we get about 20 dollar byrd knives? Maybe the off centered blade, some slight play--far superior to this guy's Strider's QC.

I thought my thumbstuds were loose, and I tightened them up so that they won't come off. I also bent the liner because I "thought" that it had some blade play, and now the liner locks up in the middle of the blade tang. I also tightened the pivot.[

All things you wouldn't have to do on a 710...

My question is: How come he never even tried to contact Mick or Duane at Strider knives? If he read up about Strider before purchasing his knives, then he should be aware of the lifetime warranty.

You shouldn't have to send the Strider in before you use it. If I ever order a Strider without seeing it, I guess I'll just have it sent straight to Stider warranty and repair and get them to fix all the comsetic and seriour problems.

Strider knives, unlike other knives, don't come "aesthetically" perfect, and I know that is unacceptable to some, but given the chance, I deeply believe that the makers would "make it right" to the particular buyer's satisfaction if they had been given the chance to do so, whether or not the knife was bought directly from them, a dealer, or from Joe Schmo down the street.

It should be right when I get it on any knife above 20 dollars. Cosmetic perfection is an obvious requirement for 400 dollar knives.

That being said, let's all be honest and show this thread for what it really is - another attempt to bash Strider knives. Maybe it wasn't the intention of the original poster, maybe a lot of people are just airing out genuine concerns, but there are also a substantial number of people here who, whether they admit it or not, just get the jigglies bashing strider, and no amount of philosophizing, double-talk, or techno-babble will change that.

You're correct: no amount of philosophizing (rational discussion) will make a difference. Strider fans would be willing to defend a pile of charred pieces for 400 dollars.

I bash knives that suck. This guy's knife sucked. Had it been any other company (that has this many problems time after time) I'd bash them too. This isn't amusing to me. I'm not "jiggling" as you say. What does everyone get out of claims like "the only reason you bash strider is because you're biased." It removes any possibility of discussion.

If you don't like Striders, nobody is forcing you. If you have a problem with one that you bought, bring it up with the manufacturer first.

No. They screw up this badly this many times and they deserve the bad press. I agree--if you don't like it, don't buy it. But there's a lot of people that do like the knife and are disappointed. These are the problem situations.

If Strider gets it together in the next 5 years, I might buy one. If I can check out an RCC or RC in person, I might buy one of those. I really like those.
STRIDER-RC-2T.jpg


But I'd get an XM 18 first.
 
Just to clarify a few things:

I thought the thumbstuds were loose, but they are like that on the GB/AR series. There is a reason for it (but I can't recall it right now).

Striders appeal to a different segment, those for HARD USE (the GB/AR series are aesthetically pleasing, mine and a lawyer acquaintance who also bought one came in nice-looking. Well, we still plan to "use" ours).

Like I said, I tweaked my GB. Just my personal preference. Kinda liked I tweaked my Para (even though there was no problem with it, I just wanted to make it "mine").

As far as their knives sucking, well, they are not the only ones-

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=441037

Anyway, since I don't know you personally, sir, I am going to keep it civil - I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
 
i have a strider pt and a 3' xm-

strider cant hold anything to the xm-nothing nada zilch zip-
the g10 on my new pt is a joke for $300-
they said they would take a look if i sent it back-they should have looked before it left-
thats why ill never buy another


also punisher -those benchmade knives you posted the link about arent 400 $ pieces
 
Hard use strider:
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Hells yeah!

And speaking of $400 knives "failing", I've seen a DDR with a soft tip, like someone before me have said, everyone will make a booboo everyonce in a while.

'nother thing worth noting: most people aren't afraid to use their striders. Hence the "sharpened prybar" nickname.
 
Cosmetic perfection is an obvious requirement for 400 dollar knives.

For that class of knife yeah, but these issues were not cosmetic, the lock is one of gross failure and the pin isn't cosmetic either. No one would excuse that on a $20 Byrd. Again, only Strider fans tend to actually not only accept such defects but actually promote them as positive as it if makes the knives and the people who use them somehow more "hard core".

-Cliff
 
only Strider fans tend to actually not only accept such defects but actually promote them as positive as it if makes the knives and the people who use them somehow more "hard core".

It just struck me ... that might explain why Dork Ops has been selling folders that don't lock. Most of us have been thinking they're trying to take over Extrema Ratio's market, but maybe they're not. Maybe they're trying to take over Strider's market with more hype, higher prices, and more defects than Strider.
 
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