New Strider failure

[darkestthicket]

But Only Mick Strider garners so much hate. Is it jealousy?

Is it some holier-than-thou attitude people have where they need to feel better about themselves by trashing another?

very curious.

Jealousy? yep.
People trashing for no reason? yep. do some of the people trashing him even have a strider? nope, probably not.


There are not to many unbiased people on this board in regards to Strider. I will stick with Strider until it breaks and Mick doesnt fix it. He has already fixed one for me so his track record is pretty good. He did not act like an ass or insult me as some of you have said he does. If you dont know him or have dealings with him personally maybe you shouldnt post about how "evil" he is etc.



"there's no Strider conspiracy"


Yes there is. specificly on this board. go to USN or Badlands forum and see how many silly posts about "waaaah my thumbstuds fell off after i took them apart to rebend the framelock on my knife" or "waaaah my lockup wobbles" and see how many posts say "use a spanner to tighten your lockup". This most commonly fixes the blade wobble and misaligned lockup problem.

 

[tirod3]

At last the issue of buying a Strider because it's a STRIDER finally surfaces.

I've complained in a few threads about my Buck Tarani and its delayed action closer liner lock. BOTH of them, meaning I sent it back to Buck and they promptly replaced it with another equally defective knife. No one has even batted an eyelash, so Buck's service in providing another piece of junk is apparently golden. Where is the friggin outrage by the promoters of high quality mass production?

I bought a Strider SnG because of its reputation - what else is there in this community other than experiences of users? It delivers the value I wanted for the money - the $60 for the Buck was wasted cash. Strider wins hands down so far.

Second point - "your" expectations of quality control aren't mine. Don't even suggest I should expect a high level of quality control when I prioritize a high level of performance. The analogy to high price cars is defective in itself because HIGH PERFORMANCE cars, like a Strider, are expected to have issues on occasion. Check the Consumer Reports on quality control issues for Ferrari's, Lamborghinis, and others. Not so good. But they will blow the doors off commuter sedans just like a Strider will out perform the Buck. Out of the box, in my experience.

The reference to Hinderer knives has a point - high performance knifemakers don't cater to the MASSES, they make products on a take it or leave it basis to people who understand the concept. Strider haters just can't take it - they think the world is their Burger King, and Strider must make knives to suit them, too.

Since when?

 

[hardheart]

People really need to drop the auto analogies. When an engine is pumping out many times the hp/liter and burning through the lubricating oil with twin turbos and redlines twice that of minivans, QC has to be high to perform. Service life is going to be shorter, and tolerances have to be designed for such speeds and stresses. A Strider framelock doesn't have to do anything a Maxx, Skirmish, Sebenza, Alias, etc. has to.

 

[darkestthicket]

Dude, you had 2 defective tarani's? care to send me one to fool with???


Dont like Strider? dont buy them. dont trade for them. If you do buy or trade for one that is "broken" or something is not to your liking, CONTACT MICK on the badlands forum FIRST, instant message him directly, and follow the instructions on the Repairs Faq post. It is not necesary to smear Strider's name any more so than has already done on this forum just so somone can get their jollies because they think "their" knife brand is "better".

 

[Firecap]

I can't understand why there are always requests to hold off on posting issues with a knife. Warranty after purchase is one thing, the condition of the knife when it leaves the factory the first time is another. This specific example is a very good illustration of the importance of the difference. Getting it right the first time is important when even with the best service you still risk two trips through customs and the shipping expense on your end.

You keep saying that no knife should leave factory in that condition. We don't know if it did. We don't know where the poster bought it, who might have owned it before and how many people may have owned it prior to him buying it. I think before we start jumping on the QC we should first get the story of the knife. So far we have nothing. Am I right or wrong??

 

[Artfully Martial]

My high performance cars run fine. The only one that I have trouble with is a Jaguar XK. Perhaps it is the Strider of high performance cars. Well, this one does have brakes....

Strider's don't perform that marvelously well. Not on par with a Manix, for instance.

Of course we're not outraged at Buck. It's a beater priced knife. We expect better from 400 dollar knives.

You're quite obviously right, my expectations of quality control are much higher than yours. I expect my 40 dollar knives to be flawless and am essentially never disappointed.

But what exactly are issues anyway? Cosmetic? Well, those are horribly stupid for a 400 dollar knife, but really not my point at all. Imagine your Aston Martin with some primer patches coming out of the dealership. Terrible? Obviously. But this is about the Aston Martin with barely functioning brakes (indeed, if the analogy is correct, no brakes at all). This is quite a different matter.

Alright, I can't speak against the international Strider conspiracy team, but I can at least say I'm not part of any conspiracy. Should Benchmade, Spyderco or Kershaw EVER screw up this badly this frequently, I'll be on them almost as much (and only almost because their knives tend to cost 1/4th that of a Strider).

It's not about the name Strider, it's not about Mick, it's about a company that screwed up. There's nothing personal about it.

If you have to resort to some sort of conspiracy claims to defend an obviously flawed knife, then there really isn't any point of continuing the discussion. You're willing to bite any bullet we can throw your way. Maybe aliens are causing the flaws...

In regards to the last poster: you're not wrong, but this is a unique instance where I think we can safely rule it out as a serious concern. Unless the lockbar was intentionally bent out of the way (lockbars wear farther across the tang, not the opposite) so that there was no lockup, it came from the factory that way. But perhaps our conspiracy theorists are right, and it's all a part of the shadow hand strider defamation league.

 

[darkestthicket]

A Strider framelock doesn't have to do anything a Maxx, Skirmish, Sebenza, Alias, etc. has to.

I can name several things that I expect a Strider to do that I wouldnt use any of the above listed knives for. Ever.

Artfully Martial - dont be a dick. Read some on the history of Strider knives and why they no longer post on this forum, there used to be a nice Strider sub Forum, right here on bladeforums. People have been slining crap at Strider on bladeforums for a very very long time. That doesnt mean that some of it isnt valid however most of it would have been easily resolved if handles PROPERLY.

oh, and you have a manix that will outperform a Strider? please send it to me so i can do some comparative testing, and when i use it to batton through wood for kindling, dont be surprised when i break it. thanks!

 

[Artfully Martial]

Really? What about a Rukus?


Additional note: why can't we all get behind improving Strider? Don't we all win that way? If strider gets its act back together for a year, I will commit to buying one. I'm really confused though...why don't even Strider fans want their knives improving? I love my big three, but I want them to be improving constantly......don't understand at all...

 

[Esav Benyamin]

If strider gets its act back together for a year, I will commit to buying one.

Nobody cares if you ever buy one. Strider has no problem selling everything they make.

I'm really confused though...why don't even Strider fans want their knives improving?

Why do you think Strider fans think their knives need improving?

We still don't KNOW that the problems the original poster in this thread had came from Strider anyway.

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Your agenda is showing.

 

[Artfully Martial]

I don't even know how to take that. Is that sarcasm?

 

[darkestthicket]

Really? What about a Rukus?


Additional note: why can't we all get behind improving Strider? Don't we all win that way? If strider gets its act back together for a year, I will commit to buying one. I'm really confused though...why don't even Strider fans want their knives improving? I love my big three, but I want them to be improving constantly......don't understand at all...

Not sure on the rukus, ive never handled one, but ill try it and photograph every step of the way if you want to see them compared for real. I like how you switched knive models immediatly.


I dont think Strider Knives need improved on all that much, the one main thing i thought they could improve on was an automatic Strider, and thanks to Ken Onion and Kershaw, now I have one.
Dont get me wrong, I think Benchmade's are great knives for their price range.

 

[Artfully Martial]

Well, improved and new designs are great, but it seems to me that even all the Strider fans are aware of at least cosmetic problems--so if everyone's aware of them, why not try to improve just those?

On an unrelated note.

People still seem to be indicating that the previous Strider owner bent the lockbar out of the way of the tang, and I gotta say...I'm just blown away. I don't even know how to reply to those kinds of criticisms. They're up there with "the aliens did it" to me.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

I don't even know how to take that. Is that sarcasm?

Take it exactly as I wrote it. No sarcasm intended.

 

[tirod3]

"Alright, I can't speak against the international Strider conspiracy team, but I can at least say I'm not part of any conspiracy. Should Benchmade, Spyderco or Kershaw EVER screw up this badly this frequently, I'll be on them almost as much (and only almost because their knives tend to cost 1/4th that of a Strider)."

You have information to know what the defect rates are there? You are aware there are service issues? Of course, buyers of $100 knives don't always bother to sent them in and then report it here.

Maybe they thought it was expected. Maybe your're ignoring the links in this post.

Your statements are opinions, not substantiated fact. I apologized earlier when I was wrong about thumbstuds. It was an opinion, not substantiated fact.

Thank you for mentioning $60 is a beater priced knife, but you're wrong. My $400 Strider is my beater knife because it will take it. The Buck is in the drawer because it won't.

You get what you pay for.

 

[DaveH]

Strider knives and why they no longer post on this forum,

I'll save anyone who is interested the trouble. Mick was angry that Spark would not moderate Strider forum, Spark explained to Mick that Mick could do it as he had the privileges to do so in his own forum, then Mick got mad and left. (Didn't make any sense to me either, but whatever)

 

[darkestthicket]

Well, improved and new designs are great, but it seems to me that even all the Strider fans are aware of at least cosmetic problems--so if everyone's aware of them, why not try to improve just those?

On an unrelated note.

People still seem to be indicating that the previous Strider owner bent the lockbar out of the way of the tang, and I gotta say...I'm just blown away. I don't even know how to reply to those kinds of criticisms. They're up there with "the aliens did it" to me.

If the poster (im not questioning his integrity just stating) would post pictures of the lockup, that would go a long way in deciding if it was done at the factory, or before he got it, if he got it from another person. Im not saying he did it, but somone could have between the factory and him.



Edit : of 5 striders i have, only 1 came with cosmetic flaws, which was blade scuffing, and i bought this one second hand, so i cant blame strider for that.
All the ones i bought from the factory were perfect in strider finish, which some people consider ugly to begin with.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

People still seem to be indicating that the previous Strider owner bent the lockbar out of the way of the tang, ...

We don't know who had the knife BEFORE the original poster and what they might have done to it.

 

[Cougar Allen]

Read some on the history of Strider knives and why they no longer post on this forum, there used to be a nice Strider sub Forum, right here on bladeforums. People have been slining crap at Strider on bladeforums for a very very long time. That doesnt mean that some of it isnt valid however most of it would have been easily resolved if handles PROPERLY.

As a matter of fact Mick Strider is still a member of this forum, and the Strider Knives Forum is still right here on Bladeforums and not one post on it has ever been deleted. If you can find any evidence of people "slinging crap" or anything you feel wasn't handled PROPERLY we'd certainly be interested in hearing about it. Nobody would tell us a thing at the time, or since....

 

[Artfully Martial]

Alright then. Simple enough to reply to.

Nobody cares if you ever buy one. Strider has no problem selling everything they make.

Yes they do. They think I'm part of the conspiracy. Secretly, I *am* biased--towards Strider knives. I've loved the RC (and liked the RCC) ever since they came out. I would have bought an RCC a month ago had I not been so disappointed with all the Strider reviews I had been reading.

My commitment was to show that I'm not against Strider. I do like them, when they come out well. Of course, I have another bias (against coated blades), but that could be against any company. There are just so many times, even in recent memory, where I've commented on how great someone's strider looked, etc--even on this forum. I really, honestly wish people could see inside my head for a second and just see that I'm being totally straightforward here. There is no agenda against Strider.

Why do you think Strider fans think their knives need improving?

They seem to all admit to cosmetic flaws, at the very least.

Here, I'll put it a different way as to make the statement absolutely meaningless.

If they didn't think their knives needed improving, they would never send them in for repair. Case closed?

We still don't KNOW that the problems the original poster in this thread had came from Strider anyway.

Again, I might as well just call in the aliens for this one. Sure, it's POSSIBLE that the previous owner bent the lockbar out of the way. That happens all the time with knives you and I trade for. Wait--that's NEVER happened on any knife I've ever seen in my entire life period. That's weird.

Okay, so while it's possible the previous owner was part of the Shadow Hand Strider Defamation League (SHSDL for short), maybe just insane, or perhaps aliens used advanced magnets to fold it out during shipping, but come on, *come on,* don't we think it's more likely there was just a screw up?

Your agenda is showing.

My agenda is for Strider improvement. But in order to get that improvement, I need people to see that things are currently unacceptable, or there will be no change for the better.

 

[darkestthicket]

As a matter of fact Mick Strider is still a member of this forum, and the Strider Knives Forum is still right here on Bladeforums and not one post on it has ever been deleted. If you can find any evidence of people "slinging crap" or anything you feel wasn't handled PROPERLY we'd certainly be interested in hearing about it. Nobody would tell us a thing at the time, or since....

Re-read what I said, true he might be a member still but the forum is closed, it is archived which i am very appreciative of, but the convenience of having the forum open was great.

slinging crap = mr Mad Dog. Id say that is a pretty good example. Whether right or wrong, somones Armed Forces history should not be drug onto a forum, EVER.




Artfully Martial = I can agree that improvement is a good thing, and that every knife can be improved on, and I can understand your points, however, I think Strider's as of today are some of the BEST semi custom knives around, they are on par with Sebenza's and other models that are totally custom. The funny thing is no one ever complains about Sebenza's, so i think Strider's take a lot of heat because of the "mall ninja" stigma attached to "tactical knives" which Strider is of course one of the leading purveyors of.

One last thing AM, If you really like Strider's, buy one, if it turns out you dont like it, you will have no trouble turning it into something else via the exchange. Then at least you will know for yourself.