New Strider failure

You get what you pay for.

I think the trouble is that there are WIDELY divergent user experiences. I bought a Strider PT new, that had blade play, I think it just needed a pivot tighten, but I didn't have a tool. I called to get a tool, but they wouldn't sell me one and that I had to send in the knife +$20.

Instead I contacted the seller and he gave me a $20 refund and I had it fixed by someone else.

Was the knife ultimately fine? Yes. Do I want to put up with that kind of hassle again? Nope. I don't hate Strider knives, or Mick. But I can't blame people if they get a little perturbed after getting a brand new knife that needs work.
 
I can name several things that I expect a Strider to do that I wouldnt use any of the above listed knives for. Ever.

oh, and you have a manix that will outperform a Strider? please send it to me so i can do some comparative testing, and when i use it to batton through wood for kindling, dont be surprised when i break it. thanks!

Vivi batoned with an Opinel, Cliff did the same with a Byrd. Robin, I believe. Reviews forum, I can link them if you'd like.
 
Re-read what I said,

No, thank you, once was enough.

true he might be a member still but the forum is closed, it is archived which i am very appreciative of, but the convenience of having the forum open was great.

Then why don't you suggest re-opening it to Mick?

If you read the most recent posts in that forum you will see it was closed at his request, and you will see he never answered the question why. He still hasn't.

slinging crap = mr Mad Dog. Id say that is a pretty good example. Whether right or wrong, somones Armed Forces history should not be drug onto a forum, EVER.

That was on Mad Dog's own website, not here. (Mad Dog is not a member here, by the way.)

Point is the moderators here give Strider exactly the same protection from complaints as we give the manufacturers who still have active forums here (no protection). This forum is based in America and we have something we call freedom of speech. Some forums don't, even some forums that are based in America....
 
I bought the knife from an American internetcompany, so completely new and unused.
When the knife reached me, i only noticed the little rocking effect of the blade due to the liner not engaging, but as you know i fixed that.

The pin in the blade that later on fell out seemed to work normal in the first few days of use, but i didn't do more to the knife than open some mail with it.
The obtuse edge was not to my liking, as i like my knives to cut like a Spyderco, so i reprofiled it by hand.

I have the SNG in front of me while i type this and the Loctite 648 cured nicely, the pin feels rocksolid and the knife functions allright now.
I am planning to EDC this knife for the time being, and we'll see how everything works out.
Stay tuned,
:)

I'm just quoting this post from page 5 because in all the shouting some people seem to have not noticed it.
 
No, thank you, once was enough.



Then why don't you suggest re-opening it to Mick?

If you read the most recent posts in that forum you will see it was closed at his request, and you will see he never answered the question why. He still hasn't.



That was on Mad Dog's own website, not here. (Mad Dog is not a member here, by the way.)

Point is the moderators here give Strider exactly the same protection from complaints as we give the manufacturers who still have active forums here (no protection). This forum is based in America and we have something we call freedom of speech. Some forums don't, even some forums that are based in America....


1 - thanks for the diss.
2- I did suggest that, and since he has 2 working forums, he doesnt think he needs it, (paraphrased minus explatives), and asked him to let it be re-opened with somone else moderating (me).
3 - yeah it was closed at his request I never contested that point. nor do i need to.
4 - That Mad Dog thread was put up several times on these boards and was not taken down even though it was a personal attack. This was not directed at you Cougar, so dont take insult.

Im just pointing out what many other people, and moderators have said, whether mick is a good or bad guy he makes a hell of a knife.

To insult him or his products without fear of him responding is kind of cowardly if you ask me.

edit : was the internet company selling directly from strider or were they repurchased?

Cougar- sent you an email about the Strider forum, let me know.

Hardheart - I've seen Cliffs battoning with an opinel, didnt read the Byrd one, all i can say is that some blades involve more care when battoning than others, I would not disagree with the results of Cliff's testing or say that its impossible to batton with any type of knife, but i will say that more effort is required when battoning with a small blade vs a larger, thicker blade (obviously) and if you mis-strike on a strider, its seriously doubtful you will break it, mis-strike with a thin blade and there is a higher chance that you will break the blade.
 
they are on par with Sebenza's

Uh, reality check. Keep in mind I'm not all that big on Sebenzas but how often do you hear/see/read of issues with them? Not that often. How often do you see posts on Strider issues? More often than you should. Even if HALF of the stories/issues were BS they still don't compare. A good Strider knife is an excellent thing but you can't realistically say they are on par concerning F/F or QC with a Sebbie. Not even close. Although the rough finish isn't a bad thing if you want a hard use knife. Apples and Oranges.

oil

ps. If you recall, the thumbstuds were loose on my brand new RC too so it isn't an isolated incident.

pss. And again, I'm talking about the production knives. Not the customs. I prefer the Dwyer blade profiles but both Duane and Mick are very talented knifemakers and turn out EXCELLENT custom knives and I've have very few issues with them.
 
Uh, reality check. Keep in mind I'm not all that big on Sebenzas but how often do you hear/see/read of issues with them? Not that often. How often do you see posts on Strider issues? More often than you should. Even if HALF of the stories/issues were BS they still don't compare. A good Strider knife is an excellent thing but you can't realistically say they are on par concerning F/F or QC with a Sebbie. Not even close. Although the rough finish isn't a bad thing if you want a hard use knife. Apples and Oranges.

oil

ps. If you recall, the thumbstuds were loose on my brand new RC too so it isn't an isolated incident.

I dont hate any knife or brand, and own several different ones... but saying a Sebenza will take the abuse a Strider will and continue to function as intended is silly. Sebenza's are great Gents knives, and in fit and finish they are great, possibly even unmatched in the production category, but Strider's and Sebenza's are intended for different purposes. Period. A sebenza will 9 times out of 10 be "prettier to look at" but i wouldnt use one of those for very many tasks at all. probably i'd just open mail with them. wouldnt want to hurt that blade polish!
Strider? definetly dont have to worry about scuffing the blade polish...so they get used for whatever, whenever.

so yes i guess you are correct that this is like comparing apples to oranges, but thats the only point i agree with you on.

Edit : yeah i tried to do a search on Sebenza problems, however the search function will not work.

To recap, Oil, your right, it would be silly to compare Strider's and Sebenza's based on Q/C and fit and finish (to some degree as they are different types of knife), and is just as silly to compare the same 2 knives based on toughness/performance.

Also, how long has CR been producing knives? since the 70's give or take a few years? Strider has been doing it since the 90's?
Was Chris Reeves Q/C excellent from day 1?

Edit again :
At least im defending Strider's rationally instead of jumping to the "where do you live so i can come to your house and stomp a mudhole in you" line of defense, so before you guys flame the bejesus out of me, can you please consider that im trying to disagree RATIONALLY?
thanks.
 
To insult him or his products without fear of him responding is kind of cowardly if you ask me.

Did somebody insult him or his products without fear of him responding? I'm confused.... He is welcome to respond to complaints here on Bladeforums, and he often does. Of course depending on his choice of language he might force us to move the thread to another forum; that has happened before, but his posts here have never been censored.
 
I often wonder what would happen if CRK had the same warranty as Strider? People would try things with their Sebbies that they normally wouldn't and I think they would find that they are pretty tough knives too. But the Strider warranty is exactly why it would be beneficial to a super hard user to go with Strider. That's part of the Apples and Oranges of it.

oil
 
Did somebody insult him or his products without fear of him responding? I'm confused.... He is welcome to respond to complaints here on Bladeforums, and he often does. Of course depending on his choice of language he might force us to move the thread to another forum; that has happened before, but his posts here have never been censored.



His last post was around 10/05/05 and was in relation to Spark not giving him editorial rights over his own forum to lock silly negative posts (this is where the insult comes in), which i believe a few other forum namesakes have that power. i dont think it was an out of the way request.

Im not trying to start a war, im just trying to make sure that other voices, specificly those that think Strider makes great knives, are heard.
 
I always liked to have some response to my postings, but this is a little too much honour for a simple Dutchman like myself.
:D

For the record, i will tell you my experience with the Strider SNG once more, and as good as i can recollect.

Here it goes,

I have been collecting and using knives for as long as i can remember.
My hobby even landed me a job in an internetstore selling knives and writing about them.
I own around 35 Spyderco's, some Cold Steel, Buck,Benchmade, and even a small Sebbie and an Umfaan.

I had never owned any Strider knife however, but once i got to hold the model SMF from a friend for a few minutes, and together with some pictures on the net and several postings on this and other forums my interest sparked for it's smaller brother, the SNG.
I did a search on sellers and after reading only good comments about them, decided on True North Knives.

Now i did not mention the name before as i consider the problems with my SNG to be hick-ups from the Strider factory, so not in any way related to True North Knives.
I have found Neil to be a great guy to deal with and i am planning on buying more knives from him in the future.

Anyway, i ordered the SNG on a friday, and it was delivered at my work in Holland the next monday, talk about a speedy delivery.

At first glance, everything seemed alright, even the later to become infamous stop-pin in the blade behind the opening hole did a good job opening the blade, and it did not feel loose at that time.
However, i saw that it was not set under a clean 90 degree angle in the blade, but instead a little off, resulting in it to only touch the G10 part of the SNG when open, not the titanium side.

When the blade was in the open position, the lockbar travelled to about halfway of the blade-tang, but it did not touch, there remained a minute amount of space between the lockbar and the tang, you could see some light between them, and as a result the blade could rock back and forth a little.

The first thought that came up to me was; i can fix that, and so i did.
By disassembling the knife very carefully, bending the lockbar a bit further with hand pressure alone, and then assembling the knife again.

Maybe i should have contacted Strider or True North Knives, but that thought did not cross my mind.
Now i don't claim in any way to have the same capabilities as fellow forumist STR, but when there is something not working properly around the house, i try to fix it, sometimes with succes, sometimes with a little less succes.
I like to think my treatment of the SNG was a succes, as i succeeded in eliminating the bladerocking.
Furthermore, i didn't like the thought of sending the knife back overseas, that played a part as well.

Now, in this process i never touched the stop-pin in the blade behind the opening hole, nor did i exert any force on it.
So after assembly everything seemed in good working order.

I then proceeded in reprofiling the edge by hand, as it was much too obtuse for me.
For this, i used a small Smith's Abrasives contraption where a small diamond coated stone is guided with a metal rod under a certain angle.
This worked out fine too, as in the end the edge angle was about 25 or 30 degrees, and i convexed this with Sic paper on rubber.

It was only some days later while i was reading the forums and in the meanwhile opening and closing the SNG that suddenly the stop-pin slid out of the blade.
My first reaction was to laugh about it , as i could not believe it.
I had done no more to the knife than opening mail, i did not cut anything else.

For me, this incident had to be made public on Blade Forum, not to bash, but to inform, and to learn if there were others with similar problems.
This i did, and boy did i get a response.

In the meantime, i got convinced i could fix this pin problem too.
The pin had no thread on it, but instead some bite marks which seemed to be made with a pair of pliers, just as you would clip off some metal wire, but stopped because it was too hard to cut.
I still had some Loctite 648, i applied it to the stop-pin and the hole in the blade as well, inserted the pin and let it cure overnight.

After a few days, i must say that it still feels rocksolid, and it also seems that the pin has seated itself a little better, meaning that in the blade open position the pin now touches both the G10 and the titanium, be it only just.
The lockbar engages about 80 to 85 percent of the blade tang, but it doesn't bother me, and there is zero bladeplay in all directions.
Ofcourse we wil see how everything holds up in real use, but for now, i am satisfied.

Any questions ?
 
His last post was around 10/05/05 and was in relation to Spark not giving him editorial rights over his own forum to lock silly negative posts (this is where the insult comes in), which i believe a few other forum namesakes have that power. i dont think it was an out of the way request.

Im not trying to start a war, im just trying to make sure that other voices, specificly those that think Strider makes great knives, are heard.

IIRC he had those powers, he was just unaware of it. I may be wrong.
 
He has posted numerous times on other forums here since that one was closed.

Seems like you did better than I did at getting him to tell you why he wanted to close the forum. He never told me, no matter how many times I've asked him. In fact the explanation you've given makes no sense, but at least it's an explanation, and maybe he told you that, I don't know ... or maybe you're just guessing like the rest of us....
 
kwakster,


How did you bend the frame to make it longer? If i am understanding you correctly, you say that the tang and the frame lock were not touching when open, so how did you "stretch" the framelock? did you bend the framelock so it would travel farther over on the tang ramp? just curious. thanks and sorry to help get the thread off topic.
 
I had the exact same issue with a linerlock folder. The lock was only bent far enough to have it rest at about 50% of the gap in the handles, and did not touch the tang. I could push the lock over and have it contect at the opposite side, but since I did not make it take a permanent set, any upward pressure on the blade edge would cause it to spring back to its natural position. This knife probably cost ~$175, it's been several years.
 
He has posted numerous times on other forums here since that one was closed.

Seems like you did better than I did at getting him to tell you why he wanted to close the forum. He never told me, no matter how many times I've asked him. In fact the explanation you've given makes no sense, but at least it's an explanation, and maybe he told you that, I don't know ... or maybe you're just guessing like the rest of us....

His last post was 10/05/05 period. according to the last post under his name.


he clearly told Spark in his thread on 02/19/03 that :

"Okay then,
In an attempt to check on my editorial powers, i tried to delete a post in this thread.

Lots of days of turmoil and bullshit over this....CLEARLY Spark knows by now that i do not have editorial powers.

STILL....

This will be my last post on BF

Spark, since my e-mails and pm’s don’t seem to reach you, and im not really interested in calling you, PLEASE REMOVE THIS FORUM.

See you guys somewhere else.

m"



And yes Spark did respond saying he did have deletion powers or whatever but its pretty clear he wasnt happy.
 
I had the exact same issue with a linerlock folder. The lock was only bent far enough to have it rest at about 50% of the gap in the handles, and did not touch the tang. I could push the lock over and have it contect at the opposite side, but since I did not make it take a permanent set, any upward pressure on the blade edge would cause it to spring back to its natural position. This knife probably cost ~$175, it's been several years.

Ok i can understand that now, i thought he meant it didnt come close to the bottom of the tang in LENGTH, i didnt know he meant that the frame didnt travel over far enough, my bad. either way it sucks and shouldnt have got past QC but crap happens.
 
kwakster,


How did you bend the frame to make it longer? If i am understanding you correctly, you say that the tang and the frame lock were not touching when open, so how did you "stretch" the framelock? did you bend the framelock so it would travel farther over on the tang ramp? just curious. thanks and sorry to help get the thread off topic.

Originally it looked as if the lockbar was held still in mid-air without touching anything.
In my laymans opinion it hadn't been bent far enough from factory, or the stop-pin (the one that fell out later) was a little to small and not set right.

All that was necessary for now was to bend the lockbar a little.
As you know the blade tang is radiused, so bending the lockbar further gave it enough 'springyness' so to speak to let it touch the blade tang a little further on.
Hope my English is good enough,

Greetz,

Robert
 
Well, length is a major issue for such a problem. If the lock had been just a tad longer, it would have engaged the tang much sooner, so even without more spring tension and travel, it would have had enough to have full lock-up prior to any wear. With the lock a little short, it's essentially built-in wear before assembly. Add in insufficient travel of the lock bar, and the lock will sit somewhere in the middle without making contact. On my knife, the forced contact was even more tenuous because the liner was at least half as thick as a decent frame. forcing the frame further over, the angle change and wider face will present more of the lock to contact than what you would get with a liner.
 
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