New TV Survival Show - Alone

I gotta downvote athletes also. You can put a Ferrari in a demotion derby but it won't do that well.

It about 20+ years of dealing with professional athletes I can only think of 2 who might suit. One MX/Enduro rider and one MTB Marathon rider. Both guys used to grinding out long painful self supported hours and both still had off season regular jobs, one a roofer and the other a logger; same again grinding out long hours of physical labour in poor conditions.
 
Fair enough, since it seems that the mental aspects are the hardest to overcome, I am just wondering what sort of person can handle that kind of pressure. That kind of money on the table means a guy has to be thinking of a paid off mortgage or a college fund for his kids. Being able to do that at once really puts the heat on.

In broad strokes who would the ideal candidate be?
 
This is a good point, and points to the feedback loop another poster mentioned. You can easily get emotional by yourself in the woods and then it just spirals until you can't perform normally.

Can you guys tell me how this shredding of clothes happened? I mean, what kind of clothes you had, the trees, and if you had any tool. I'm guessing black spruce and other spruce/fir trees choking each other out since you mentioned it was a bog, probably alders too. And I'm guessing if you didn't have a tool you basically had to resort to crawling in some areas.

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In my case my sole focus was on finding an old fur trade post site in the dense bush. I carried a tin of sardines, a folding knife, a lighter, compass, water and a metal detector. I was following a heavily grown in trail not used for about 150 years, but it was still fairly discernible by rut indentations etc. But The trail faded at points and some of these areas were now ice water bogs up to crotch level from muskrats/beavers, whatever. As I became more tired later in the day my old jogging pants would get caught in dead branch snags and I had less and less energy to lift a leg that extra bit or whatever. I have always been notorious for going and going with minimal breaks. I go hard and get tired hard at the end of the day. Anyway, between being semi lost, having bugs constantly eating me, making detours, walking through ice cold snag filled bogs, having a few flashes of panic etc. I made it back out. Dead tired and dehydrated. I was half glad to have prepped and made it out, and half embarrassed with myself for semi losing it from fear/anxiety. My wife had a general idea were I was going but I didn't want to freak her out, as I knew that she would worry with evening approaching. I remember sitting down more on the way back out from being extremely tired and to get myself together a bit, be rational, make sense of the situation. Funny thing is, I still had the interest and presence of mind to carry half an Elk rack back out that I found, and scaring up a moose to hear it crashing through the brush. I saw a few flashes of it. I was unfamiliar with the area and I guessed about how long it would take me to hike to my desired location, by looking at a map. What tossed me was the terrain was much rougher and grown in than I anticipated. And the trail was less defined as I got deeper in. My semi cautious day hike nearly turned into an all niter in an area known for bears and isolation. Conditions were good for a fire though, I could access water and I had my sardines. I surely wasn't going to die, and I knew that. What would suck is hearing the creepy crawlies going through the bush all night, being eaten alive by the bugs, and being bummed that my wife would be very worried. I was exhausted and bone chilled from the bogs. And I admit to having some fear/anxiety flashes toward evening. So I guess that having prepped a bit with some basic tools/supplies took away the hard core panic and allowed me to rationalize my situation, as not being dire, this all still scared the hell out of me and spurred me to learn a bit more about basic survival.
 
At least they aren't naked! Some of those poor bastards with all those bug bites on their ass. That would be terrible.
 
In broad strokes who would the ideal candidate be?
In my experience, the one you'd least expect. Usually the guy who seems the laziest but happiest/ most optimistic. I've been on trips with characters who only bring the clothes they're wearing, a garbage bag for raingear, Wal-Mart knife, a spoon, several packs of smokes and not much more. They seem to get by with the least amount of effort and aren't a slave to their gear... just observations.
 
In my experience, the one you'd least expect. Usually the guy who seems the laziest but happiest/ most optimistic. I've been on trips with characters who only bring the clothes they're wearing, a garbage bag for raingear, Wal-Mart knife, a spoon, several packs of smokes and not much more. They seem to get by with the least amount of effort and aren't a slave to their gear... just observations.

As long as he doesn't run out of smokes! :D

I remember when I was a smoker...as long as I had smokes, I felt ready for anything.

"Hmmm, need to find water...I'll have a smoke and go find some."
"Raining...can't leave shelter...time for a smoke."
 
That's an interesting read. I would disagree though that it was all luck, I'd agree more with the quote in there that he was smarter than most people give him credit for. It's just that smug Californian ecological buddhist attitude which caused him to believe he was one with nature and the bears, this actually resulted in very unnatural behaviour. It would take hundreds of years and many people to really become immersed in nature again, not just a lone guy and his ideology.

Werner Herzog's argument is better, and much more fair. It took a lot of guts to do what he did, and there is likely a deeper meaning behind what he was trying to do. He just failed, and his drive to live with bears eventually led him to his nemesis.

The important lesson here, of course, is that if you do have an attitude suggesting you belong there then your chances of a really dangerous bear encounter are less than one percent. What Treadwell did was go too far, he showed the other side in response to how irrationally afraid humans have become of nature. He showed how irrationally comfortable you can become in any environment.

Our family is from Alaska and before she passed away I remember my mom watching Tim T and saying "Someday he's going to have a run in with a bear that didn't get the message he's supposed to be nice and that bear will eat him."
 
I've been watching the show from the start, and this thread, some of the choices I agree with and some of the comments as well, some not.

I've also got a bit of experience being away from home, years actually, and the only thing that was keeping me there was my word and a signature on a contract.
Usually my signature signed 3/Three times in a row, under a PLS. A few of you should get that.

Here's my take on the mental thing that most of these guys seem to be doing terrible at.

Everybody here has started a fire from an ember or blew one back from coals. That's the way the bad feelings work, they start in the back of your head, as a spark, could be anything, usually Fear- your ability or lack, your family's safety, your wife's fidelity (big one with the younger guys), your girlfriends fidelity, or your wife and girlfriend meeting and talking about your lack of fidelity, your house, your stuff in your house.
Missing birthdays, Christmases, Thanksgivings, anniversaries, births, deaths, funerals, graduations, all the things that are suppose to be important, and are.

EXCEPT, when you cant be there, not because you don't want to be, because you cant.
Because there's other things that are more important at the time.
Things that you cant take your mind off of or you or someone else is going to get hurt.

The trick for me is, don't give the spark/feeling breath, putting it into words just blows it into a flame and then your screwed, then all you can think about is that fire in the back of your head that's telling you that the house is flooded, your wife/girlfriend or both are selling your stuff and splitting your bank account between themselves and Jody.
Your dogs in the pound, your kids in jail, moms in the hospital.

Not a dam thing you can do about it because you ain't there, all its going to do is keep you from doing your job.

So, you don't blow that spark into a flame, sounds simple enough but I've seen grown, trained, professionals scream and cry in an MWR because the wife/girlfriend didn't answer the phone and they were sure they were banging the neighbor.

Hell who knows, they probably were but ain't s##t you can do about it so don't put it into words, don't blow it into a flame.
Get over it by not getting into it, as soon as the spark goes up let it go, don't even look at it, no breath.

My wife hates this theory of mine, wants to hear that every time something happened all I could think about was her, and my family back home. Sometimes I even tell her, yep, that's what I was thinking about, sure thing, that's what kept me going, that's what kept me sharp.

Bullshit, if that's what someone's thinking about when they're away from home doing their job, or on an island trying to survive/live then they are just adding unneeded hardship and probably should have stayed home and whined about it there instead of on camera.

All in all a good show, I did think that josh was gonna cry when the boat left, pu##y.

I will say, you never know who's going to make it, but after awhile you can make an educated guess who's not.
 
Mitch did a video on his kit he took, and gives a little insight into the conditions and such.
[video=youtube;tSlnUsgbgBw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSlnUsgbgBw[/video]
 
The emotional aspects of being along might well be a good reason to carry some stout moonshine to calm down.
 
Our family is from Alaska and before she passed away I remember my mom watching Tim T and saying "Someday he's going to have a run in with a bear that didn't get the message he's supposed to be nice and that bear will eat him."
Yup. Was always a when, never an if. From what I read while the salmon were plentiful the bears put up with his idiocy. Then came a bad salmon run. If he was so "one with nature", he should have noticed that and changed his behavior appropriately. Breeding more than our share of idiots these days...

Mitch's vid was pretty good. Gave us a bit more insight without too many spoilers. Very interesting how they brought gear in and it was accepted or rejected. Seems like the producers had rough ideas on the allowable gear. Yet not so nailed down that they could supply a list of criteria and have most meet it right off. Like they told them they could bring a pot. Mitch brings a huge pot. They say "no, a 2qt pot". Then he's scrambling to find an exactly 2qt pot. Worse yet, sounds like this was within days of heading out. Dunno about y'all, I'd want a few days in the woods with each piece then all together before my loadout was finalized.
 
Mitch's vid was pretty good. Gave us a bit more insight without too many spoilers. Very interesting how they brought gear in and it was accepted or rejected. Seems like the producers had rough ideas on the allowable gear. Yet not so nailed down that they could supply a list of criteria and have most meet it right off. Like they told them they could bring a pot. Mitch brings a huge pot. They say "no, a 2qt pot". Then he's scrambling to find an exactly 2qt pot. Worse yet, sounds like this was within days of heading out. Dunno about y'all, I'd want a few days in the woods with each piece then all together before my loadout was finalized.

I think being a new show, there was a lot of learning as they went, both for producers and the contestants.

Like you though, I'd want to know what each piece of my kit is capable of before relying on it out there.

Seems like he picked mostly stuff he was familiar with, but still, makes you wonder how many other guys had to switch something up last minute before locking in their load out.

Edit: Also he mentioned in the comments on the video that the headlamp was supplied by the crew as part of the camera equipment and that a tarp was also supplied by the crew for each guy, for those wondering.
 
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alcohol is a depressant, especially when you drink alone.
I've found it affects people differently. Myself it relaxes. Can't say about other people when they drink alone. In groups there's people who get funny and people who get mean. Whatever.. a couple drinks by the fire are life's little pleasures
 
It's medicine. Whenever I check into a hotel I let them know I need a room with a fridge for medication.
 
Alcohol is a depressant not in the sense that it makes you depressed but that it depresses motor function and nervous response. It tends to lift the spirits and relax a person and does have some real medicinal value.

I wouldn't advocate drinking for anyone new to camping alone, pretty dangerous. But in my experience I'll only have a few drinks anyways, and only after the work is done. That's probably the worst part, getting out the knife or axe after some bottled courage (I'll admit to whittling while having a few drinks, but axe work is another thing altogether).

Mitch's video was good. I like his choices.

Wayne had a video on his bear encounter. I found it a little strange that he was allowed to make that video but he couldn't elaborate any further in the comments on how far the bear was away from him and what kind of reaction it made. Sounds more like he scared the bear, but then we don't know if it was a false charge or not. If he started running after the false charge then we'd know why he was getting stalked.

It's a good opportunity to learn something about bears, so it's too bad they're so tight-lipped about it.
 
Its been my experiance that when someone(or myself)drinks it seems to amplify feelings or moods.

If depressed or afraid of what ever, last thing thats needed is a mood amplifier.

YMMV
 
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