Newbie collaboration knife?

and the team has decided overwhelmingly on a Hawk/Camp/hunter combo!

I just sent an email out to the team titled "The votes are in"....This email is the next step. I've requested design ideas, such as overall length, blade length, materials for blade and handle, etc.

If you did not get this email and are part of our team (all that requested to be part of the team in this thread are part of the team) please email me at scott.ickes@timken.com and request that I forward you that email.

I hope that I didn't miss anyone. But, if I did, I'll rectify it as quickly as possible.

Ickie
 
I'm having a problem with my email. I did get a bunch of responses to my "ideas email", but am unable to respond to any of them. I'm in Wyoming (wheatland, wyoming) to be exact. I will respond to your emails as I get a chance. The ideas are great so far. Keep brainstorming. Also, some drawings would be great. I really like the sheath drawing that was sent.

The pool and eye damascus idea is also a very good one. I had a huge slab of California Buckeye Burl, but cut it up last year into handle size pieces. None of them large enough for a hawk anymore. That kinda bites!

Ickie
 
What if we did a multi-section hawk? I've never actually seen one, but have the hand in sections? I see a weakness problem with it possibly, but just a thought...
 
You know, this must look like the most schizophrenic group of knifemakers around to people who don't get our emails :)

That said, I'll add fuel to the fire and keep right on chatting...

I'll start playing with pool & eye here soon to see what nifty things I can come up with. I've got another billet of a low layer double bar twist to work on first for somebody, but hopefully that won't take too long. Of course, nothing will be happening in the shop until at least next weekend since I'm out of town (again!) :(

I've never seen a multi-part hawk either. How do we make something we've never seen? I like the idea of a spike 'hawk or a pipe 'hawk personally. Maybe I'll start some drawing and see what I come up with...

-d
 
checkisout! Maybe we could make something like this. If not, it's cool to look at.

luckmanhawksaw.jpg
 
You know, this must look like the most schizophrenic group of knifemakers around to people who don't get our emails :)

That said, I'll add fuel to the fire and keep right on chatting...

I'll start playing with pool & eye here soon to see what nifty things I can come up with. I've got another billet of a low layer double bar twist to work on first for somebody, but hopefully that won't take too long. Of course, nothing will be happening in the shop until at least next weekend since I'm out of town (again!) :(

I've never seen a multi-part hawk either. How do we make something we've never seen? I like the idea of a spike 'hawk or a pipe 'hawk personally. Maybe I'll start some drawing and see what I come up with...

-d

I've been running the multi-handle hawk idea in my head, ever since you guys mentioned it. We could use two different burl patterns, alternating them down the handle in a "bamboo" shape. To hold them all together, we could have a piece of flat bar (3/16" x 1/2" mild steel) running through the center from one end to the other. The burls could be slotted to accept the flat bar, with the whole thing screwed on from each end with gun blued mild steel at each end. With the insides epoxied up strong around the flat bar it would be a very strong handle, even though it is made of multiple parts.

We could then make the camp knife out of one of the two burls and the drop point hunter out of the other of the two burls.

Ickie
 
Yep I read that. That's why I said welcome back. Weren't you just here a few months ago? Too bad Cheyenne isn't as green as where you are. The difference between Cheyenne and Wheatland is like night and day...well green and not green. Before they shut down the PeaceKeeper missile I used to go up there all the time to work on the fuel systems at the missile sites. How about this weather? Hot as all get out yesterday, and now it's nice and cool. If you want to meet me in Chugwater for some chili just give me a buzz.

Sorry back to topic now. Man I can't wait to see this!!!!:D

-Mike Sheffield
 
Yep I read that. That's why I said welcome back. Weren't you just here a few months ago? Too bad Cheyenne isn't as green as where you are. The difference between Cheyenne and Wheatland is like night and day...well green and not green. Before they shut down the PeaceKeeper missile I used to go up there all the time to work on the fuel systems at the missile sites. How about this weather? Hot as all get out yesterday, and now it's nice and cool. If you want to meet me in Chugwater for some chili just give me a buzz.

Sorry back to topic now. Man I can't wait to see this!!!!:D

-Mike Sheffield
I'm kinda booked up, so no time for chili. I have to be at the power plant here in Wheatland at 6:30 a.m. to teach maintenance classes all day tomorrow. I'll be leaving for Gillette, Wyoming at about 4:30 on Wednesday.

I was in Cheyenne briefly yesterday though. Just long enough to stop at Sierra Trading Post and buy some stuff.

I wish I had more time in the area.

Ickie
 
i guess i ll be folling this one
cant wait to see what all you great guys come up with

deker got a full plate again dont you ahhahaah
 
deker got a full plate again dont you ahhahaah

Dude, you don't know the half of it! I've got to make time for the stuff I enjoy every now and then though. If I have a deadline of sorts it forces me to get out into the shop. It feels like an extra stress until I'm out in the shop working on it, then it's all good...

-d
 
Dude, you don't know the half of it! I've got to make time for the stuff I enjoy every now and then though. If I have a deadline of sorts it forces me to get out into the shop. It feels like an extra stress until I'm out in the shop working on it, then it's all good...

-d

Deadlines = Stress + Pleasure

The above equation was created and has been proven by Ickie
 
Deadlines = Stress + Pleasure

The above equation was created and has been proven by Ickie

Now, if you mix that in with "Deker's Theory of Expectations and Distance" (e=1/d^2) with a large enough value of 'd' you can reduce the stress component of the above equation :)

OK...Geek Off... :)

-d
 
Through email, a few drawing designs have been being passed around. All of them great looking. It seems though that since the original set of drawings a lot of people have been suggesting a hawk, a large knife like a bowie, and a smaller knife.

I have to disagree with this though, because I don't see any need for a large bowie type knife if we are making a hawk. I just think that the hawk and bowie would be competing against each other for use as a chopper. If we are making a set I don't know why we don't make each blade specialized for different tasks.

I would think that if we are making a hawk, then we don't have need for a knife with longer than a 6" blade. I would suggest a hawk for chopping and camping chores, a 5" or 6" hunting knife, and a 2 1/2" or 3" fishing/caping/ or skinning knife.

This of course is just my opinion and I know that there will be many differing oppinions, but I just don't see the use for a large chopping knife AND a Hawk.

Of course I could just be miss-understanding the desire for a large knife completely and maybe there are more versitile uses for a large knife that I don't know about and that the hawk wouldn't work well for.
 
See new email to the group in response to stingray4540's post...
 
Just an update to the group and for those following this thread. We've been throwing ideas back and forth. Although I see stingrays point in his recent post about a camp and hawk knife being somewhat redundant, I also think that if we use the curly Maple from Morans shop (generously donated by Stacy Apelt...Thank you sir, for your generousity) we owe it to ourselves to use it for both of those classic pieces (hawk and camp/bowie). If the pieces are designed correctly the two pieces will fit well together.
  • Hawk...designed to be very sturdy and durable for heavy chopping such as splitting logs.
  • Camp/Bowie...designed to do heavy chopping, but more adept at finer chopping such as smaller pieces of wood such as the branches on saplings, cutting meat for dinner in camp, hacking through bone on a harvested deer or elk. Although a hawk can be used for these applications, a lighter, quicker in the hand camp knife would be a joy to use.
  • Hunter...We are leaning towards a drop point hunter.

Justin Golat has suggested a wonderful finishing process for the maple and has provided pictures. I, for some reason, am not able to open them in the emails. However, based on the email responses from the others on our team, it must be a wonderful finish.

Justin,
Could you post a picture of the finished curly maple here, plus the finishing process so that others can see it and learn from it.

As far as design, we have a few different hawk designs to choose from.

The camp/bowie knife has quite a few different designs that we're looking at. We are leaning toward a hidden tang design with a nice choil and ricasso. It appears that a bowie look to it seems to be what most of us like.

The hunter is a classic drop point design thus far. We're leaning towards a full tapered tang design. The reason that we are utilizing to different tang designs for the hunter vs. the camp/bowie is to take advantage of both the hidden/thru/stick tang talents of some of our makers and to also take advantage of the talents of our full tang artisans. Using different tang concepts allows us to more fully use the skills of our many talented team members.

I am holding off posting the designs here until our team settles on one design for each piece. We are however getting close.

As for the efforts, I've been very impressed with this group of knifemakers. All of them are very eager and willing to put their ideas out there for scrutiny. Some of the ideas stick, some of them don't, but it doesn't stop any of them from putting their hearts out on their sleeves. I expected this to be an effort where a few people would be doing the bulk of the work, but to my delight, it's been a true team effort. This team may be newbies, but they are very professional and very talented.

Stay tuned. I think you'll be impressed by the ideas and designs of the newbies here on BladeForums. Now, we just need to effectively put the designs that are in our minds into reality.

Ickie

p.s.
100 posts to this thread. It will be a lot more than this eventually. If we had been rehashing our ideas here instead of in an email distribution list, we'd probably be at about 300 by now.
 
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