Nice features on new A G Russell Ti Framelock..

Great, another right-hand-only design.:rolleyes: From the look of the backside view, they might just have well left off that stud, it's unaccessable. Pass.
 
Wow godot! Talk about an unhappy customer.
I know this is a open forum, but Christsakes man! Keep it together. How many times to you have to express that you had a bad experience with AG Russell. Just return your knife and be done with it!
 
Upon some serious reflection, Kershaw being revealed as the maker has proven to be a deal breaker for me. I was really excited about this piece too. I suppose it's better that I'm finding out now instead of AFTER purchasing it. Thanks for the headzup.
 
(originally posted by elkins45)( I think I understand what he meant, and I don't think it was a slam against Kershaw.

KAI is a knife production company with a whole manufacturing apparatus just for the purpose of making knives. You have the economies of scale that comes from being a large knife maker and your retail prices reflect that. My interpretation of his comment is that the price being asked is up near the custom range for a knife that isn't hand made. Essentially it's the pro/con Sebenza argument [played out over a different knife.

I would have said it differently if it were my opinion. "Kershaw can make a great knife like the ZT 0300 and sell it for a little over $200 street. How did the extra Ti slab and the ZDP blade add $175 to the price?") Thats what i meant. i figured its being made by a long standing & well set up company. i dont know of any kershaws that sell for 375.00..no negativity was intended,i love kershaw & have many.ill be one of the 1st to have a volt when it comes out....
 
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I'd have to be honest, it is a Sebbie copycat to my eyes. Blade's gound a little bit higher but it is almost identical. I've seen other people do titanium framelocks with simple designs and it never screamed "Sebbie" to me.
 
Harry Callahan said:
Upon some serious reflection, Kershaw being revealed as the maker has proven to be a deal breaker for me. I was really excited about this piece too. I suppose it's better that I'm finding out now instead of AFTER purchasing it. Thanks for the headzup.
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Why is that a dealbreaker? Aside from coming in here to stir the pot I don't understand why you would say that.
 
I also definitely see much resemblance to the Sebenza... primarily in the handle. The outside edges of the handle have different features, but the clip placement, shape of the lock bar, placement of screws/lanyard hole, and even the cutout to release the lock is very similar to the sebenza 21s.

I wouldnt call it a copy, but influenced? It certainly appears so to me. If I saw it without knowing the context (or the name on the blade), I may very well come to the conclusion that this was CRK's next generation Sebenza.
 
The knife description on AGs site makes no mistake about it, this design was inspired by a few makers, including chris reeve.

So if it looks like a sebenza to you, that's no accident.

You have to admit, its hard to produce a all ti framelock that's supposed to be simple in terms of design and function, without frills or gimmicks, one that just plain works, without drawing comparisons to a sebenza.

But again, this is all on the first post of this thread, follow the link.

I don't see what the big deal is really.
 
Good Point jakeyjake4528 A.G. Gave credit where credit was due!

When I began to plan the Acies, meaning a sharp pointed object, I collected the finest frame-locks in the market place: those of Chris Reeve, H. P. Klotzli, and Bob Dozier. We tore them down and studied the design and engineering that made these knives stand so high above the other frame-lock knives on the market.

We used what I consider the best features from each of those makers’ knives then added some of our own to create the best functioning frame-lock folder available at any price.
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You guys I probably right. When I bought the one handed knife, it was just a AG Russell cheap copy of a Pat Crawford design. Later one I bought an original Pat Crawford (3rd from top) I was happy to see how easy it was to sharpen and keep an edge.
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The quality was night and day. The one thing I'll give Russell credit for is that when he used Crawford's design, he paid him for it. I wonder how much he's paying Chris Reeves for his design. Oh right-this is an "AG Russell original:rolleyes:"
For those who choose to save $5, I say good luck, but remember you get what you pay for.
 
Harry Callahan said:
Upon some serious reflection, Kershaw being revealed as the maker has proven to be a deal breaker for me. I was really excited about this piece too. I suppose it's better that I'm finding out now instead of AFTER purchasing it. Thanks for the headzup.
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I have to say I just don't understand that swipe at Kershaw one bit.

Can you explain it?

Kershaw makes a wide range of knives and price points. I would gladly put my G10 Tyrade against any $400 utility (as this new A.G. offering is) folder out there for fit, finish, an quality of operation. The blade opens easily and smoothly, the G10 is just about perfect, and the lockup on this big knife almost makes it a fixed blade.

The CPM D2 clad with 154CM is excellent in its performance. The CLADDING of the blade is better than many manufacturers use as a cutting surface.

The knife looks to me like a hand finished prototype.

I have several other Kershaw products, and some are better than others. But you can put the JYDII in the same category of fit and finish as my Tyrade.

And Kershaw service is just about legendary at this point.

I am not a fanboy of any maker, but a genuine whore. I go where the quality/value is for my bucks.

Giving you the same credit, why would that knife being made by Kershaw be any kind of drawback?

Robert
 
Funny - for a copy I think it is better looking than a seb. I also like the fact that all the materials including the blade are premium. Can't you buy an S30v kershaw for ~$50?

I will be saving up for this knife. The only thing I would change is a 3.0" blade model.

For the record, I would buy a small seb in 1 second if offered in ZDP, or other PREMIUM steel.
 
Yeah Chris Reeves is the only 3 time winner of manufacturer of the year by using cheap steel. :D
 
This thread has become ridiculous. I'm thinking that most of the people complaining are pissed because they want one, but don't like the price. Whining like a 4 year old isn't going to bring down the price. Slamming AG and his knives isn't going to bring down the price. Attacking Kershaw (which is just stupid) is not going to bring down the price. If you're a CRK fanatic then you know in your heart of hearts that this is no copy of the Sebenza. I own Sebenzas, I use my Sebenzas, and I love my Sebenzas. I look at this knife I don't see a Sebenza. I see another Ti Framelock offering from another maker that wants to get in on the Ti framelock craze. And it is a craze.

I agree that the price was a bit more than I was expecting, but it won't sway me to not purchase it. You're going to be getting a high quality knife with high quality materials. Once the knife is in your hand and you don't like it just return it and get your money back.

All this bull$hit over a knife that hasn't even been produced yet is insane. No one knows anything about the knife other than what they've read. Making snap judgements from some pictures and some text is just plain ignorant. How many Knifenuts have you spoken to that can't imagine paying $400 for a Sebenza in their lives? How many of those same people end up with one and love it? I was one of those people at one point. It's all about getting the knife in your hand and using it. Passing because Kershaw made it? Pardon me, but that is retarded. Kershaw makes some excellent knives, offers great customer service, and offers an almost unbeatable warranty. As soon as Kershaw haters see that it was made by Kershaw they are going to flame this knife. Nothing else matters to them except that it was made by Kershaw.

Jesus, are you the same people that argued about whether the SNES or Sega Genesis was better? Why don't you wait until the knife comes out and some reviews are done until you judge the knife. Better yet, stop your whining and moaning, nut up, and buy one. Then you can give us your review about how much you hate the knife.
 
Tony8179 said:
This thread has become ridiculous. I'm thinking that most of the people complaining are pissed because they want one, but don't like the price. Whining like a 4 year old isn't going to bring down the price. Slamming AG and his knives isn't going to bring down the price. Attacking Kershaw (which is just stupid) is not going to bring down the price. If you're a CRK fanatic then you know in your heart of hearts that this is no copy of the Sebenza. I own Sebenzas, I use my Sebenzas, and I love my Sebenzas. I look at this knife I don't see a Sebenza. I see another Ti Framelock offering from another maker that wants to get in on the Ti framelock craze. And it is a craze.

I agree that the price was a bit more than I was expecting, but it won't sway me to not purchase it. You're going to be getting a high quality knife with high quality materials. Once the knife is in your hand and you don't like it just return it and get your money back.

All this bull$hit over a knife that hasn't even been produced yet is insane. No one knows anything about the knife other than what they've read. Making snap judgements from some pictures and some text is just plain ignorant. How many Knifenuts have you spoken to that can't imagine paying $400 for a Sebenza in their lives? How many of those same people end up with one and love it? I was one of those people at one point. It's all about getting the knife in your hand and using it. Passing because Kershaw made it? Pardon me, but that is retarded. Kershaw makes some excellent knives, offers great customer service, and offers an almost unbeatable warranty. As soon as Kershaw haters see that it was made by Kershaw they are going to flame this knife. Nothing else matters to them except that it was made by Kershaw.

Jesus, are you the same people that argued about whether the SNES or Sega Genesis was better? Why don't you wait until the knife comes out and some reviews are done until you judge the knife. Better yet, stop your whining and moaning, nut up, and buy one. Then you can give us your review about how much you hate the knife.
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+1 To quote Zombieland "Time to nut up or shut up!"
I do agree that people are getting way bent out of shape. The Sebenza was the original "no frills, just performance" titanium framelock, this is another "no frills, just performance" titanium frame lock, does it make it a copy? No, it's just another simple but premium knife offered.

For the record I don't plan on buying one but it doesn't make it any less of a knife.
 
wally@ferguson said:
It's nice to see the Sebenza used as a reference standard...again and again.
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I believe that it always will be. When a knife makes an impact on the knife community like the Sebenza has, everything else that is even slightly similar will be compared to it.

I say the Sebenza is as recognized and prasied in the knife community as much as the 1911 Colt .45 is in the pistol community. As much as the 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 is in the muscle car community.

It has set a standard for others coming after it.
 
Tony8179 said:
This thread has become ridiculous. ...

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All this bull$hit over a knife that hasn't even been produced yet is insane. No one knows anything about the knife other than what they've read. Making snap judgements from some pictures and some text is just plain ignorant. ... It's all about getting the knife in your hand and using it. Passing because Kershaw made it? Pardon me, but that is retarded. Kershaw makes some excellent knives, offers great customer service, and offers an almost unbeatable warranty. ...

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Why don't you wait until the knife comes out and some reviews are done until you judge the knife. Better yet, stop your whining and moaning, nut up, and buy one. Then you can give us your review about how much you hate the knife.
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Agree with you 100%. Why not reserve judgment until when the knife is actually available and users have a chance to review its real-life performance. Let the facts speak for themselves.

And yes, I also can't understand the disparaging remark about Kershaw either. And I am not a fanboy of theirs.

But to me, the thing that is most difficult to understand is that while the OP complains about AGR's product quality and service he did not choose to return the knife to AGR for a 100% refund. Instead he kept the knife and allowed this unhappy experience to continue to haunt him to the extent of still venting it and badmouthing AGR many years after. You may distrust AGR's quality, you may distrust his service, but you can bet that he honors his word.
 
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