Nice features on new A G Russell Ti Framelock..

[Gator97]

For $375.00 I can buy the real thing, Not a wanta be. :thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn:

Why not spend a WHOLE TEN DOLLARS MORE and get the real CRK and

free shipping....dah....

Right So let me see, for ~380 I can get a "real thing" with S30V steel at 58-59HRC(let's skip the debates how optimal is that for a folder) or a folder knife with ZDP-189 steel at 64-66HRC.
Hmm, I really wonder which one is a better bang for my buck...
Especially if I want to put thin edge on in, let's say 10deg per side or even 7...

 

[bigmark408]

Right
Especially if I want to put thin edge on in, let's say 10deg per side or even 7...

Please tell me why anyone would put such a thin edge on a knife like this ?

It will take years of life off the blade.

 

[Gator97]

My current Benchmade 710 M2 blade, rehardened at 64HRC is 10deg per side, or 20 total. I've had to sharpen it seriously only once, since last April.

I don't plan on chopping nails with that folder, and for normal EDC works it's holding up much better than it was with 40DEg total edge at 59HRC.

Some people really underestimate what properly hardened steel can do at high hardness and I guess judge them by their experiences with 56-58HRC blades, which is no good basis for comparison.

As for why, well small knives, at least mine, I want optimized for cutting. And those thing edges cut magnitude levels better compared to factory 40deg angles.

 

[bchan77]

IMO, when i first saw the pics i just thought it was UGLY and full of useless mall ninja gimmics...you know...Tactical stuff for the flavor of the week crowd.

Can you please elaborate the mall ninja gimmicks you mentioned? Personally I can't see how this knife is directed towards the mall ninja crowd. It looks a utility knife to me.

 

[bigmark408]

Can you please elaborate the mall ninja gimmicks you mentioned? Personally I can't see how this knife is directed towards the mall ninja crowd. It looks a utility knife to me.

Start a new thread and describe utility knife and tasks that will be performed with it.

 

[J_Curd]

Start a new thread and describe utility knife and tasks that will be performed with it.

Oh noes, its another straw man contention!

I'd agree its a heckuvalot closer to a utility knife than a mall-ninja knife.

Mall ninja = blacked out, goody, useless, radical.

Utility = plain, functional, strong, conventional.

 

[J_Curd]

If your definition is accurate, feel free to post it, not PM me with your take on the situation.

Cripes.

 

[Death's Head]

I'm almost certain now that if I have the cash to purchase this one it is available that I'll pick it up.
I've always been happy with AG Russell with their sales and customer service. And Kershaw makes an excellent production folder. And for Thomas to state that this folder will be of even better quality has convinced me to at least give it a try.

 

[wally@ferguson]

If I wanted thin 7-10 deg per side I would use a good kitchen knive.

If I wanted to chop nails I would use a good cold chisel.

If I want to carry a folding pocket knive for anything other than opening mail, I would want 20-25 deg per side in whatever steel satisfies my sharpening skills and frequency.

The only criteria that counts is it ugly or handsome...well made or sloppy...and will it cut and hold an edge without chipping...and do I think it's worth all that money.

 

[Harry Callahan]

I honestly wasn't trying to pee in anyone's oatmeal. I simply lost all interest in this knife when I found out who had the contract. I can't even fully explain why except to say that it became worth a whole lot less (dollarwise) when the maker was revealed. My knife value radar went "whoa, not worth the money" in big fantastic handwriting. Shave a couple hundred bucks off the sticker price and it comes back onto my radar screen. Spyderco is building their excellent Salbenza and it is shipping for around 2 bills just about everywhere right now. Lifetime warranty, excellent fit and finish, scary sharp out-of-the-box, proven design, made in USA, etc. What makes Kershaw (and AG) think their piece is worth almost twice that price? Heck, a fellow could buy a plain-vanilla Seb for that. Add a few bucks and you could get the micarta 21.

Sorry folks. The Kershaw revelation killed it for me. No offense, them's just the facts.

 

[zrfunited]

Are you waiting for godot to get the point?

Ha...this was a good joke.

 

[Morrow]

Please tell me why anyone would put such a thin edge on a knife like this ?

It will take years of life off the blade.

I think you're out of touch with the capabilities of steels in the class of ZDP-189. I have a ZDP-189 Leek ground to about .10 (as measured on the micrometer). The edge is about 15 degrees inclusive. I carry and use this knife nearly every day. No chipping.....edge retention is fantastic.....sails though thick cardboard. I probably strop 1 or 2 times a week depending on how hard I used it. How is this taking years of life off the blade?

 

[Morrow]

I honestly wasn't trying to pee in anyone's oatmeal. I simply lost all interest in this knife when I found out who had the contract. I can't even fully explain why except to say that it became worth a whole lot less (dollarwise) when the maker was revealed. My knife value radar went "whoa, not worth the money" in big fantastic handwriting. Shave a couple hundred bucks off the sticker price and it comes back onto my radar screen. Spyderco is building their excellent Salbenza and it is shipping for around 2 bills just about everywhere right now. Lifetime warranty, excellent fit and finish, scary sharp out-of-the-box, proven design, made in USA, etc. What makes Kershaw (and AG) think their piece is worth almost twice that price? Heck, a fellow could buy a plain-vanilla Seb for that. Add a few bucks and you could get the micarta 21.

Sorry folks. The Kershaw revelation killed it for me. No offense, them's just the facts.

Sure you were....and you're doing it again in this post. You take every opportunity to take a shot at Kershaw. Do it.....voice your opinion...everyone has their likes and dislikes...just don't pretend your comments are innocent.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Sorry if it seems that way to you. It obviously seems that way to others also. For the life of me I can't see why. My comments are not meant as a slam to Kershaw.

 

[kershawguy]

I honestly wasn't trying to pee in anyone's oatmeal. I simply lost all interest in this knife when I found out who had the contract. I can't even fully explain why except to say that it became worth a whole lot less (dollarwise) when the maker was revealed. My knife value radar went "whoa, not worth the money" in big fantastic handwriting. Shave a couple hundred bucks off the sticker price and it comes back onto my radar screen. Spyderco is building their excellent Salbenza and it is shipping for around 2 bills just about everywhere right now. Lifetime warranty, excellent fit and finish, scary sharp out-of-the-box, proven design, made in USA, etc. What makes Kershaw (and AG) think their piece is worth almost twice that price? Heck, a fellow could buy a plain-vanilla Seb for that. Add a few bucks and you could get the micarta 21.

Sorry folks. The Kershaw revelation killed it for me. No offense, them's just the facts.

Your comments certainly make my blood boil and I am pretty easy to get along with. Pretty easy to see when someone is slamming another. You aren't fooling anyone but yourself. When you contract a knife to be made by a manufacturer, they make it to your specs. they have no say in how much you can or should sell it for. It might really be nice if people would just keep their comments about others to themselves unless they are being hurt by a situation, your comments are hurting others, if that is your intent , you need to stop or be stopped.

Dave

 

[Harry Callahan]

I give up. Sheesh. It was never my intent to slam Kershaw but every time I've attempted to explain that slamming Kershaw wasn't my intent, it came off just the opposite. I can't win. It's like arguing with a caveman. I quit. The knife is worth whatever you want it to be worth. Count me out. Thanks.

 

[bigmark408]

I think you're out of touch with the capabilities of steels in the class of ZDP-189. I have a ZDP-189 Leek ground to about .10 (as measured on the micrometer). The edge is about 15 degrees inclusive. I carry and use this knife nearly every day. No chipping.....edge retention is fantastic.....sails though thick cardboard. I probably strop 1 or 2 times a week depending on how hard I used it. How is this taking years of life off the blade?

With all due respect Sir, i think your out of touch with reality.

This aint my first rodeo and i been around for a minute.

I have owned several leeks...my friend and I give Kershaws as well as guns to the boy scouts....kershaws are great knives for the price and make great user's...They are sharp enough out of the box to perform the tasks you describe above.

The Leek is a small folder and does not afford the leverage that a knife the size of the one this thread is about.

In My Opinion.

Is the Hinderer thingy needed ? No

Is a lowrider clip needed ? No

Is this blade steel needed ? No

People get caught up in all the marketing B.S. and completely lose sight of whats needed in a folder for 95% of the daily tasks a folder is used for.

Reality guys !!

When one crosses the threshold of real world folder tasks...then one should use a fixed blade.

When i use the words " Mall Ninja " I'm talking about the user.

 

[Morrow]

With all due respect Sir, i think your out of touch with reality.

This aint my first rodeo and i been around for a minute.

I have owned several leeks...my friend and I give Kershaws as well as guns to the boy scouts....kershaws are great knives for the price and make great user's...They are sharp enough out of the box to perform the tasks you describe above.

The Leek is a small folder and does not afford the leverage that a knife the size of the one this thread is about.

In My Opinion.

Is the Hinderer thingy needed ? No

Is a lowrider clip needed ? No

Is this blade steel needed ? No

People get caught up in all the marketing B.S. and completely lose sight of whats needed in a folder for 95% of the daily tasks a folder is used for.

Reality guys !!

When one crosses the threshold of real world folder tasks...then one should use a fixed blade.

When i use the words " Mall Ninja " I'm talking about the user.

Well I'm certainly glad your here to tell the rest of us what we need and don't need.

Look at characteristics of properly heat treated ZDP-189. Have you? You can grind it very thin and it will take and keep an edge at very acute angles. Does that make it or more less of an efficient cutter? The answer should be easy to reach.

 

[bigmark408]

Well I'm certainly glad your here to tell the rest of us what we need and don't need.

Look at characteristics of properly heat treated ZDP-189. Have you? You can grind it very thin and it will take and keep an edge at very acute angles. Does that make it or more less of an efficient cutter? The answer should be easy to reach.

Sir, the part about the leek was directed at you but the rest was a general comment in this thread.

I don't need to do any reading...i have used the steel.

You stated that you cut boxes...i guess you know more than Kershaw because you have modified there factory angle.

I would imagine that the factory has determined the proper angle for general use of there product.

If your cutting boxes in multitude then a box cutter may be best for your needs.

BTW, this is off topic for this thread...i think your issues have been beat to death in another thread.

The search tool is your friend.

 

[Morrow]

Sir, the part about the leek was directed at you but the rest was a general comment in this thread.

I don't need to do any reading...i have used the steel.

You stated that you cut boxes...i guess you know more than Kershaw because you have modified there factory angle.

I would imagine that the factory has determined the proper angle for general use of there product.

If your cutting boxes in multitude then a box cutter may be best for your needs.

BTW, this is off topic for this thread...i think your issues have been beat to death in another thread.

The search tool is your friend.

I don't like box cutters.....I hate throwing away good steel.

You are correct about this going off topic. Thanks for the reminder. :thumbup: