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First off, nobody here knows who you are dealing with, but you are lumping some of us here in the that person's "royal court". I get the frustration, but your funds will be back into your account before you know it! You live and you learn. All this is, is a learning experience.
 
I get where you are coming from, it is a frustrating situation. The first payment absolutely should have been refunded. He had to for seller protection from PayPal. That was your fault. So you shouldn’t have started arguing with him for your mistake... honestly, there was nothing he could’ve done about the funds held up by PayPal and you were wasting your time arguing with him about it. Seems like if you would have accepted the funds being held up because of your mistake, you would have a knife on the way to you. I went through some customer service/management training for my job. They teach you to listen, in this case, read, and wait a couple of seconds (3) to take in what you have heard from the customer/person you are dealing with. If you read half of a response and are already forming your response, you don’t take the time to comprehend the information being presented to you. I would have had to of read the messages you wrote to have any insight into if I would have kept the deal going depending on what you did or did not say to the seller. What I will say is, reading some of your messages here, while understandably you are upset, made my head hurt a bit.
 
SilentArrow said:
I’m very disappointed in alot of the reactions I’ve gotten here. I know I’m not 100% in the right here with how upset I’ve gotten over the whole thing, but for some guy to be able to cause someone else’s funds to be held up just to be an asshole and not stick to an agreement, then to have few here barely bat an eye about it is incredible to me.

To answer your question, I’ve stated several times he REQUESTED the second payment with ONLY my PO box showing. While sending it I also fired off a couple messages about how I’d have $550 out there in the PayPal universe while waiting for his refund if the first $275 and how unhappy I was about that. We started arguing over whether or not I could contact PayPal and have them change the address on the original payment. Because I argued with his “highness” he decided to refund the second payment making matters significantly worse. And now his “royal court” here all agrees with his lordship. Like I said. Selling off all these knives even if I take a loss. I don’t care. Already have a few members contacting me wanting to buy based on this thread.
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I tend to sympathize with your frustration, in most respects. I've long thought the iTrader feedback rules were ridiculous and that negative feedback in a situation such as yours should be permissible. That said, I can understand the seller wanting to make certain that he didn't do anything (ship to an unverified address) to put his PP protection at risk. I'm also not sure why, since you knew that you'd be putting an additional $275 out before your refund processed, you'd complain about it to the seller. It was always your option to cancel the sale and take the refund. You made the decision to put the additional money out there. Of course, once you did that, I believe it was completely inappropriate for the seller to not complete the deal.
 
SilentArrow said:
We discussed my PO Box BEFORE the first payment. Then the address snafu happened. Then he requested the second payment. While sending it we argued. I know I know. HOW DARE I argue with a BF veteran?
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If your having problems with the buyer before the knife is even sent out, it doesn't bode well for the deal as a whole. I would have returned your money also unless you calmed down, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the duration of your membership. This was already headed south and I wouldn't want to see how much further.
It's too bad your funds are being held, but that will be very short lived.
 
SilentArrow said:
We discussed my PO Box BEFORE the first payment. Then the address snafu happened. Then he requested the second payment. While sending it we argued. I know I know. HOW DARE I argue with a BF veteran?
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SilentArrow said:
Read number 5 of your “rules”. Money DID exchange hands. TWICE. It seems the rules don’t apply equally and fairly here.
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Again, you're making it a mission to argue your case regarding some conjured up favoritism. I personally don't know who this seller is but the whole objective here is to inform you that without hearing the other side and by only hearing your side, you are coming across as the person who is unreasonable by arguing the same point over and over again, not liking the responses and then playing the newbie vs veteran card. I call that petulance. I still can't fathom as to why you would entertain doing business with someone whom with you were purportedly arguing with during the transaction and then you send him fund$ TWICE!

I have a suggestion for those sellers who do not wish to get mired in such scenarios:

While it is easier and less work to just give your PayPal email address to a potential buyer for the buyer to send you the funds, do as what I tend to do and ask the buyer for their PP email address and then use the PayPal's invoicing feature to send your own invoice while stipulating your TOS.
 
SilentArrow, perhaps you should have named names and give the seller to come in here to present his side of the story. By and large, it goes without saying that under normal circumstances and with all being equal, both the buyer and the seller must conduct business in total good faith.

You still avoided addressing my previous points though but that's OK because I no longer neither have the time nor the interest for this nonsense.
 
I get that this whole situation pissed you off a bit, as it would most here, but I just don't understand why you're continuing to bitch about it after it's clear the deal is done. It probably has a lot less to do with you being new, than it does with your attitude.

I imagine most sellers here's want a deal to go as smoothly as possible, so after the address mix up it probably didn't help, but if you decided to take your frustrations out on the seller because of it, that'd be reason enough for them to back out of it.

The way you're acting is worse than people have that were actually scammed out of their knives/money. Just let it go and soon enough your money will be returned.
 
SilentArrow said:
We discussed my PO Box BEFORE the first payment. Then the address snafu happened. Then he requested the second payment. While sending it we argued. I know I know. HOW DARE I argue with a BF veteran?
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If you argue with people, they may back out of a deal, to avoid further drama. From many years of successful business, I’ve learned to not get personal if there is disagreement, but just defuse it in a cool calm manner. You can actually win, just by letting the other person think that they are winning, and then laugh about on your way to the bank.
While I won’t argue about business, I am willing to argue about other things, like thieves and scammers. We all have our limitations on what type of behavior is acceptable. Just learn to keep your business persona mellow.
 
HappyDaddy said:
You made the decision to put the additional money out there. Of course, once you did that, I believe it was completely inappropriate for the seller to not complete the deal.
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While I can empathize with his situation, I have to disagree with the above statement. I have had occasion to return payments for a few different reasons... and if, in the process of settling the issue and payment being re-sent, the customer became argumentative, I would have ended the deal as well. It just isn't worth dealing with some people.

As an aside, the seller exercised his right to choose not to sell to somebody. He didn't drag things out, he issued a prompt refund. As such, I don't feel that negative feedback is appropriate. For those that feel differently, how would you feel if the seller had given negative feedback because the buyer became argumentative? I'm fairly certain that each side was unhappy with the other.
 
SilentArrow said:
Let me take $550 out of your checking account for several days with nothing in return and see if you change your tune about it.
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This would be a different story if you didn't get your money back. But both payments have been refunded and all you have to do now is be patient, and wait for the funds to show back up in your account. Seller didn't get scammed of his knife and buyer didn't get scammed of his funds. Nobody lost out on anything here.
 
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