Off Topic: 1911 gov't-size in .45 or full-size Glock in .45?

Try both alternate and try different shooting positions and get which ever you shoot best.
 
mattdub1 said:
I've seen several posts about how Kimber's suck...what' the reasoning behind those statements? I own one and it has never given me one single issue...
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Haters gonna hate, LOL.
Seriously, I try not to make sweeping statements like that. But people speak from different opinions, experiences, etc. "My gun's better than your gun," the internet is full of this stuff. Fanboys. Sometimes people will say "I hate Glocks" while others love them. It's like you have AR-15 snobs, and AK-47 devotees. Personally, I have tried many of these weapons and they usually all have pros and cons. I love my AR-15, but if I was in a survival situation with lots of mud and mess, I would probably feel better with my AK-47 (yes I have both). But that's just me. I know guys who love wheel guns, they don't like ANY semi autos, they just don't trust them. But that's just them, and it's all good. Get what you like, practice with it regularly and be happy we have the freedom to enjoy our firearms. Millions of people have lost that right, and it's getting worse.
 
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Couple of thoughts on both
1. I would not put to much stock in what publications say the Navy Seals use-Operators pick and choose different handguns as the situation Dictates-Environment, Mission, etc!
2. I have yet to see any Handgun run without Jamming if it is not maintained-Cleaning with Solvent and a light coating of Oil!
3. The Handgun is designed as a Last Resort (Backup) option in the Military-When your Primary Weapon is disabled (Rifle) start making your peace with whomever or whatever you so choose, the end is in sight!
4. I personally would never spend thousands of dollars on a pistol, Just my opinion, accuracy and firepower does not warrant this in a pistol platform-For this amount I could buy a Semi-automatic rifle which is much more effective, accurate, and can actually "Reach out and Touch Someone" at MUCH greater Distances!!
5. In the end your budget dictates which type of Pistol is right for you-My only problem with the Glock 21 and 41 is the circumference of the Grip
6. Both the 1911 and Polymer (Glocks, HK's, Walther's, and Springfield's will serve you well, they do however have to be maintained (benefit from cleaning and oiling)

SHOOT on and EnjoY!!!
Merry Christmas
 
TommyGun56 said:
Couple of thoughts on both
1. I would not put to much stock in what publications say the Navy Seals use-Operators pick and choose different handguns as the situation Dictates-Environment, Mission, etc!
2. I have yet to see any Handgun run without Jamming if it is not maintained-Cleaning with Solvent and a light coating of Oil!
3. The Handgun is designed as a Last Resort (Backup) option in the Military-When your Primary Weapon is disabled (Rifle) start making your peace with whomever or whatever you so choose, the end is in sight!
4. I personally would never spend thousands of dollars on a pistol, Just my opinion, accuracy and firepower does not warrant this in a pistol platform-For this amount I could buy a Semi-automatic rifle which is much more effective, accurate, and can actually "Reach out and Touch Someone" at MUCH greater Distances!!
5. In the end your budget dictates which type of Pistol is right for you-My only problem with the Glock 21 and 41 is the circumference of the Grip
6. Both the 1911 and Polymer (Glocks, HK's, Walther's, and Springfield's will serve you well, they do however have to be maintained (benefit from cleaning and oiling)

SHOOT on and EnjoY!!!
Merry Christmas
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Totally agreed. Well said!
 
TommyGun56 said:
Couple of thoughts on both
1. I would not put to much stock in what publications say the Navy Seals use-Operators pick and choose different handguns as the situation Dictates-Environment, Mission, etc!
2. I have yet to see any Handgun run without Jamming if it is not maintained-Cleaning with Solvent and a light coating of Oil!
3. The Handgun is designed as a Last Resort (Backup) option in the Military-When your Primary Weapon is disabled (Rifle) start making your peace with whomever or whatever you so choose, the end is in sight!
4. I personally would never spend thousands of dollars on a pistol, Just my opinion, accuracy and firepower does not warrant this in a pistol platform-For this amount I could buy a Semi-automatic rifle which is much more effective, accurate, and can actually "Reach out and Touch Someone" at MUCH greater Distances!!
5. In the end your budget dictates which type of Pistol is right for you-My only problem with the Glock 21 and 41 is the circumference of the Grip
6. Both the 1911 and Polymer (Glocks, HK's, Walther's, and Springfield's will serve you well, they do however have to be maintained (benefit from cleaning and oiling)

SHOOT on and EnjoY!!!
Merry Christmas
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I agree for the most part, but piston driven rifles for instance can go many times longer without lube than dgi.

Similar comparison for glocks to tighter tolerence pistols in terms of ability to run without frequently cleaning or lubricating.

While I may not be a spec ops rambo, I have owned several ak47s and used a variety of platforms while active until 2012.

Still love a dgi rifle despite its inherent fowling and need to be lubed more often. But not all firearms fair the same without lube in terms of how long they can continue to function.

Snowing pretty darn good here, drive safe and merry Christmas everyone.
 
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I prefer all-steel 1911s', Springfield being my top choice. Never caught a fancy for the Glocks', or for that matter any polymer-framed handgun.
 
ive got a colt 1991. it was born in 1993 and to date it has never jammed (fmj and jhp)and is pretty damn accurate.
 
I own "a few" handguns. I have both Glocks, and 1911's. Both have valid reasons for existing, and being in my carry rotation.

When I decided that I wanted a non 1911 .45 ACP, I originally wanted a G21. I compared it alongside an XD45 Tactical, it was a no contest. The XD came home with me. The ergonomics blew the Glock away. The love affair didn't last, and the XD found a new home. Fast forward a year or so, and I got the polymer 45 bug again. This time it was an M&P 45 full size. I shot it well, but like the XD, I just never bonded with it, so off it went. I am currently without a polymer 45. The G41 MOS is singing its siren song, but I have thus far resisted her call.

So, these are my current carry choices when I choose a 45 to carry.



 
I carry a glock 21 for work. Very comfortable with it, I'm a glock armoroer and glocks are all I own. When limited to your options I'll take the glock hands down. No silly manual safeties or grip safeties and the glock holds nearly twice as many rounds. That being said the glock 21 is honestly my least favorite glock, it's big and heavy and with modern ammo the 9mm, 40 s&me or 357 sig offer similar ballistics at a nice weight savings. In my opinion for the size and weight your adding by going to a large frame glock the 10mm is the way to go, atleast you're getting some power for the weight and size.
 
I own several glocks. I do like them. My biggest gripe with the glock is the grip to bore angle. It is not natural. The 1911 and the Hi-power both have the ideal grip angle that gives a natural pointing grip. The glock will shoot high in a natural pointing grip. you have to purposely aim down with it. The glock may be the most reliable pistol ever made. But the 1911 is twice as accurate at 25 yards or beyond. It also has faster acquisition and better instinctive hip shooting accuracy. Glock is lighter. Two great guns. The glock is ugly. The 1911 is a beauty and a classic.

1911 in WWI
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1911 in WWII
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1911 in Vietnam war
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1911 in modern day use by Marines
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While I do agree that the 1911 grip is more natural, the grip angle on the glock is probably a little more sound in respect to mechanics.
It allows you to drive the gun more efficiently, mitigating muzzle rise and allowing for quicker follow-up shots.
I really have no skin in the game. I own and enjoy both. To me, they really are very different guns. Both have strengths and
weaknesses, which lend themselves to different uses.
 
I see some claims here about how much more accurate the 1911 is over the Glock. Are these apples to apples, or apples to oranges comparisons? Sure my stock, out of the box Valor will shoot circles around my Glocks. It should, as it is nearly 3 times the cost.

Now, compare a bone stock 1911 in the same price range as a Glock, and suddenly the game is even.

Again, I'm an equal opportunity gun owner. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but let's make equal comparisons.
 
gruntmedik said:
I see some claims here about how much more accurate the 1911 is over the Glock. Are these apples to apples, or apples to oranges comparisons? Sure my stock, out of the box Valor will shoot circles around my Glocks. It should, as it is nearly 3 times the cost.

Now, compare a bone stock 1911 in the same price range as a Glock, and suddenly the game is even.

Again, I'm an equal opportunity gun owner. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but let's make equal comparisons.
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look at the frame rail on a glock and a 1911, no doubt that a stock 1911 will be more accurate. not to mention the better ergonomics.
 
gruntmedik said:
I see some claims here about how much more accurate the 1911 is over the Glock. Are these apples to apples, or apples to oranges comparisons? Sure my stock, out of the box Valor will shoot circles around my Glocks. It should, as it is nearly 3 times the cost.

Now, compare a bone stock 1911 in the same price range as a Glock, and suddenly the game is even.

Again, I'm an equal opportunity gun owner. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but let's make equal comparisons.
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You're correct, and unless it's strictly a target gun, accuracy is the absolute last thing you should base a selection on anyhow. Both are way more than accurate enough for their intended roles. Even if they are target pistols you can work up a Glock to shoot as accurate 99.9% of shooters in the world. Both are fine pistols. Pick the one you can gets hits with the fastest.
 
Cobalt said:
look at the frame rail on a glock and a 1911, no doubt that a stock 1911 will be more accurate. not to mention the better ergonomics.
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No disrespect intended, but there's plenty of doubt. There are many, many factors which contribute to accuracy that have nothing to do with rails. There are plenty out of the box 1911's which won't shoot as accurately as a Glock. Not that it really matters much, because, again, unless it's a target pistol either is better than good enough.
 
Have a couple of glock 17's and a couple 1911's and i love them both!
My EDC is my 17 because it has never given me any reason to doubt that it will cycle even in the worst conditions. That being said, I truly enjoy shooting my 1911's.

The lower magazine capacity of the 1911 and reliability aspect are what dictate the 17 being my carry.

Now my 1911's are Springfields, I've had the pleasure of shooting some Nighthawks, Volkmanns, Ed Browns and Wilsons that have much fewer problems with reliability than some of the more entry level 1911's like mine, but, that now is 6-8 times the cost of my glock. If I'm jonesing for .45 in higher capacity then I'll grab my FNX45 ;)

Someday i'll do a fancy STI double stack .45
 
Warbow150 said:
No disrespect intended, but there's plenty of doubt. There are many, many factors which contribute to accuracy that have nothing to do with rails. There are plenty out of the box 1911's which won't shoot as accurately as a Glock. Not that it really matters much, because, again, unless it's a target pistol either is better than good enough.
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Agreed, and I have owned many glocks and many 1911's, including some stupid cheap 1911's. My most accurate glock was my 21. It was the most accurate glock I have ever owned and it matched my std 1911's. On average a std 1911 is more accurate than a glock. There is zero doubt in my mind about that. Just like on average a glock is more reliable. Very similar to the AR vs AK argument.
 
I prefer the feel of a 1911 (I like the feel of a Hi Power even better). But put a 1911 and Glock 21 on the table in front of me at the range and I shoot either one just as well and to the same point of aim.
 
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