off topic.. shtf question..

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Yeah, I have a pair, I NM'ed a loaded and accurized the socom with the t-2, I have been fortunate enough to get 3 rounds of ball nearly touching at 200 yards with just RDS. I called it sighted in when I did that and havne't touched her since. Also on the SOCOM, Irons are still usable underneath the t-2 :)
 
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Also, KACmake some nice firearms!!! I have some buddies with them, their stock trigger gives all my Giesseles a run for the money! I built all of my AR's except a couple. I have the spectrum on them and love them. Lay a lot of led quick, I have one in most flavors. I have taken my 20" out to 1k but its a bb gun at that distances with 75 TMK and 77??? what ever I was using that day... Not much lethality past 6-7 hundo.... That's why I'm pro 308. My favorite 556 Ar is a custom I built, 16" larue stealth with NF 1-4.... Its amazing, and amazingly heavy too with that larue barrel with that profile...
 

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I have AR's, AK's, and 10/22's. After thinking on it, I very well may just take either my Ruger 77/357, or my Rossi lever 38/357. The Ruger, because I can suppress it, the Rossi because the capacity. Both will share ammo with my GP-100 or 686, and will take any game I'm likely to encounter in my region, as well as self defense.
 

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I always fall back on my SERE training for hypothetical scenarios like SHTF.... Whats the least I can get by with....BUSSE... Simple :D
 
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I've got my heart dead set on the Desert Tech MDR once it comes out. .308/5.56 compatibility. Semi-auto, Bullpup so it's compact, lightweight, high cap mags, and can be suppressed (.308 suppressor can be used on the 5.56 if you have an adapter). I'd run it in .308 until I ran out of bullets, then I'd barter or confiscate someone's 5.56 ammo. Top it with a Vortex Gen II 1-6x and some flip up irons.



That's if it was just me, but I expect most of us will be running in a group. Someone should have a long range rifle that hits hard. A bulk of the group should have high cap semi-auto like ARs and the women folk can carry 10/22s. Got all of your bases covered. I'd suggest you choose a handgun that everyone can agree on and everyone carry the same handgun and caliber so you can swap mags quick if needed and only have to carry one caliber of pistol ammo that everyone can share. My group is running .308, 5.56, and .45 (Springfield XDM). All of our .308s are set up to run AICS mags in Manners Stocks and we've developed a handload that works the best in all of our rifles so we don't have to worry about whose ammo we're running. AR mag swaps are easy as are the 13 round mags for our XD's. All of our ARs have .22 conversion kits if that's all we end having. Semi-auto guys have capabilities to carry 6 30 round mags on a thigh rig or HSGI belt system and we can disperse ammo/food/water amongst the group. Two people carry components for shelter (Seek Outside Tipis with titanium stoves). Everyone has basic sheltering provisions/food/water in their packs in case we lose gear and/or the people carrying that gear. We never plan to travel all together but will travel in two or three groups with runners in between and radio comms to keep in touch when on the move. We won't camp together either.

I know some people are prepping for the long haul with the 10/22s and I get it, but I think it does you no good to plan to live 2-3 years out of your backpack and skimp on your rifle to do so. The US will become the wild west. People who normally would not, will shoot you in a heart beat. I think the biggest threat to a person's survival in a SHTF situation is lack of water and desperate people. I would never want to get into a gun fight with only a 10/22. And keep in mind that there are 300+ million guns in this country and upwards of a trillion rounds of ammo (or so I've heard). The first year will see a large portion of people die off or get moved to government run camps. You should have no problem finding a gun or ammo at that point. The last thing you want to do in a survival situation is have to shoot a gun, but when you do you want it to count. Don't skimp on your rifle so you can last a year...you have to make it past week one first.

Your 10/22 might have to go up against this guy :)

 
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Well said, I follow pretty much all the same mentalities but didn't want to write a book. I would change to the women folk running some light weight preferably suppressed ar-15. I know some damn fine women shooters. Just have to carry the 10/22 and ammo at that point as a group.

I concur with you 100% on the water. It's the first thing that will kill you other than a bullet by some crazy.
Survival in the long haul requires fortified shelter/protection sooner rather than later.

I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS IN ANY SURVIVAL SITUATION IS RECOGNIZING THE ELEMENTS AND REACTING BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE AND GETTING A HEAD START TO SAFTEY.

Also that is the first I have heard of that 308/556 interchangeable rifle. I'll have to look into that one.
 
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I'm just gonna head to the small base where my wife works and hunker down at the armory with some armored vehicles and ma deuces ! Then, if needed, hop a helo or coast guard cutter ride out to some deserted/mostly deserted island off the coast of PR with all of our gear and military friends and ride it out.


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Well here in the mostly vacant high desert southwest the lack of water will keep most people at bay. However for those daring enough to seek shelter in this land they should be prepared for lack of game and again I mention water. This is not the city/suburbia its wide open spaces where you can see forever to the horizon and for those full time residents we are prepared (see previous posts on multiple caches...food firearms large caliber and small multiples). We hope it never happens, but then again who can predict the future. I selected a .22 to snag just to carry me to the next cache where I will pick up what I consider necessary for the next hop. Having an FFL at my disposal I probably have more guns than God allows, but I don't plan on emptying the safe and trying to pack it all out with me.
A man has got to know his limitations.... I will hate to leave behind the Ma-Deuce but and this is sage advice for anyone thinking they will be able to use it against me or anyone else... remember what it says on the front of a claymore...;) :eek:
 

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When SHTF around here chances are after the first couple of weeks most people will be dead, and the chaos should settle down. After that people will have to deal with wilderness and the climate we have. In winter its often in the -30's, those folks without woodstoves will be dead in a few days, unless one has wilderness and trapping skills starvation will be inevitable. While summer is only slightly easier, during the peak biting fly season, survival in the bush will not be much better than during winter.
However, with the right skill set a person could survive very comfortably.
 
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Well said, I follow pretty much all the same mentalities but didn't want to write a book. I would change to the women folk running some light weight preferably suppressed ar-15. I know some damn fine women shooters. Just have to carry the 10/22 and ammo at that point as a group.

I concur with you 100% on the water. It's the first thing that will kill you other than a bullet by some crazy.
Survival in the long haul requires fortified shelter/protection sooner rather than later.

I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS IN ANY SURVIVAL SITUATION IS RECOGNIZING THE ELEMENTS AND REACTING BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE AND GETTING A HEAD START TO SAFTEY.

Also that is the first I have heard of that 308/556 interchangeable rifle. I'll have to look into that one.

I agree, shelter and water are the two biggest elements of danger in most survival situations and I feel for the most part in these conversations I feel those topics are overlooked. Being able to obtain and purify water is huge, and while the guns are fun to think about the reality is they play a much smaller part in long term survival than the rest of your kit and skill sets, unless it's a red dawn scenario. WOLVERINES!!!
 

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A lot of talk about carrying multiple guns...... Man..... That's fine if your sticking to home. But in a situation when you're on the road, not so much. You've got to be a realist and think of weight.

Love the 308 and such .... Fine for a day out hunting. Not so much on a multiple day/ weeks(?) bug out...... Especially if your talking about more than one long gun😧

If you are bugging out with wifey and older children in tow, this would obviously lead to more choices
 
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All I know is that when SHTF, my scotch will be worth a ton of money, if I don't drink it. :thumbup:
 
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I've got my heart dead set on the Desert Tech MDR once it comes out. .308/5.56 compatibility. Semi-auto, Bullpup so it's compact, lightweight, high cap mags, and can be suppressed (.308 suppressor can be used on the 5.56 if you have an adapter). I'd run it in .308 until I ran out of bullets, then I'd barter or confiscate someone's 5.56 ammo. Top it with a Vortex Gen II 1-6x and some flip up irons.



That's if it was just me, but I expect most of us will be running in a group. Someone should have a long range rifle that hits hard. A bulk of the group should have high cap semi-auto like ARs and the women folk can carry 10/22s. Got all of your bases covered. I'd suggest you choose a handgun that everyone can agree on and everyone carry the same handgun and caliber so you can swap mags quick if needed and only have to carry one caliber of pistol ammo that everyone can share. My group is running .308, 5.56, and .45 (Springfield XDM). All of our .308s are set up to run AICS mags in Manners Stocks and we've developed a handload that works the best in all of our rifles so we don't have to worry about whose ammo we're running. AR mag swaps are easy as are the 13 round mags for our XD's. All of our ARs have .22 conversion kits if that's all we end having. Semi-auto guys have capabilities to carry 6 30 round mags on a thigh rig or HSGI belt system and we can disperse ammo/food/water amongst the group. Two people carry components for shelter (Seek Outside Tipis with titanium stoves). Everyone has basic sheltering provisions/food/water in their packs in case we lose gear and/or the people carrying that gear. We never plan to travel all together but will travel in two or three groups with runners in between and radio comms to keep in touch when on the move. We won't camp together either.

I know some people are prepping for the long haul with the 10/22s and I get it, but I think it does you no good to plan to live 2-3 years out of your backpack and skimp on your rifle to do so. The US will become the wild west. People who normally would not, will shoot you in a heart beat. I think the biggest threat to a person's survival in a SHTF situation is lack of water and desperate people. I would never want to get into a gun fight with only a 10/22. And keep in mind that there are 300+ million guns in this country and upwards of a trillion rounds of ammo (or so I've heard). The first year will see a large portion of people die off or get moved to government run camps. You should have no problem finding a gun or ammo at that point. The last thing you want to do in a survival situation is have to shoot a gun, but when you do you want it to count. Don't skimp on your rifle so you can last a year...you have to make it past week one first.

Your 10/22 might have to go up against this guy :)


If you can run in a pack.... Fine and preferable for survival. The 10/22 is never meant as a defensive weapon but as a small game hunting rifle (cats, dogs, squirrels, birds). The first necessities of survival is to eat and drink.

To each his own. I don't plan on carrying anything heavy on a long, multi week, trek. I'm in Canada. AR are restricted weapons and few people own them.... They are also restricted to 5 rounds.... Though we all know that pinned mags can be " unpinned". Not to say that there aren't many mid caliber rifles out there.
 
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If you are bugging out with wifey and older children in tow, this would obviously lead to more choices

Indeed.... Wifey can handle a pistol ok, though she's no fan.....teenage Step daughter hates all weapons. She doesn't even know what's in the safe..... Though she might have guessed by now. She would have to learn in a hurry.
 
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That's one thing that's nice, with both my wife and I being military, I know she can handle a firearm in any type of situation. Hell I think she has as many as I do. One less thing to worry about. And since she likes them, she doesn't give me too many issues about buying them. Told her the other day I plan on grabbing one of these next year
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I think it would really depend on climate how far your going and if you have some where to go I lived in mid and northern wa state most of my life is I was in northern wa at the time I would be headed to the mountains hopefully befor stuff got really crazy I would want a small caliber and a large caliber if just one I would choose a larger caliber 308 or 12 gauge just incase of critters (bear,bodcat I would not be as worried about people as I would be if I lived in the city(not that you wouldn't have to be worry about people just hopefully not as much). if I lived in the desert or lived in vegas I would want 5.56 lots of people and no bears or bigger size critters that I know about never lived in desert. that's if I only could grab one gun and ammo real life id be in my truck for part of the trip walkings over rated and then hiking the rest most every thing I own that's a weapon in the truck. any ways sorry I just think it would depend on where you are and where you are going = what you take. plus what kind of shtf is this zombies? redawn? us crazie government shtf?
 
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Indeed.... Wifey can handle a pistol ok, though she's no fan.....teenage Step daughter hates all weapons. She doesn't even know what's in the safe..... Though she might have guessed by now. She would have to learn in a hurry.

Here, the wifey often carries two (in the car), &while not "comfortable" with a rifle, she appreciates it's use.

Two grown sons (21) both are firearm aficionados, a 24 year old nurse daughter who finally understands the value of more than a purse pistol, and one cop son in law. The daughter and son in law are over an hour away, but wise enough to bug out early.

I'm spoiled.
 
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Here, the wifey often carries two (in the car), &while not "comfortable" with a rifle, she appreciates it's use.

Two grown sons (21) both are firearm aficionados, a 24 year old nurse daughter who finally understands the value of more than a purse pistol, and one cop son in law. The daughter and son in law are over an hour away, but wise enough to bug out early.

I'm spoiled.

Yes you are:thumbup:.... Another thing about my neck of the woods.... Ammo is already a problem. Aside from common hunting rounds, good luck finding anything. Pistol caliber defensive rounds are hard to come by, choices extremely limited.
Forget about anything uncommon. 7,62x54 and such..... We were lucky with the entire .22 crisis though.... But that's as far as our luck goes. I've Never seen a box of CcI mini mags.
 
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