"Old Knives"

waynorth · Nov 18, 2018

Three absolutely beautiful knives, Paul!!
One an incomparable Stockman, made by Camillus, as Duncan proved!! :thumbsup:

Where I came from, Jack's last name began with S and ended in h-i-t!!

Augie · Nov 18, 2018

Paul, great 3 additions to your collection but that stockman is very special, congrats!

redsparrow · Nov 18, 2018

Last summer I came across a Cattle Knife made by Pal Cutlery Co. At the time having not heard much about the Pal company I was pleasantly surprised and very impressed by the high build quality of that knife, absolutely solid. Since then I've been keeping an eye open for Pal made knives and have spotted a few. This one, a Single Spring Serpentine Opposite End Jack was delivered a few days ago. Once again my interest in Pal Cutlery products was rewarded with an excellent piece of vintage cutlery.

Made between 1945 and 1953 the blades open and close smoothly with a very satisfying snap. The spey blade is nearly full while the main has a nice match-strike long pull and plenty of life left in it. At 3 5/8" long and rounded ends, it slips in the pocket nicely and because it's thin it lays flat making a easy carry.

The one aspect of this classic knife that really caught my eye and has given me the most enjoyment is (what I believe to be) the tan Rogers Jigged Bone. There are no cracks, chips or gaps and the wonderful quality of the bone gives this knife a great look and feel.

Having had only positive experiences with Pal Cutlery Co. I plan on adding Pal knives to my accumulation as they become available. -James

Ramrodmb · Nov 18, 2018

Awesome knife, James! In my experience the Rogers bone Pal used (on almost every Pal knife I've ever seen) has a distinct lighter coloring that is noticeable a mile away! Looks fabulous! :thumbsup:

herder · Nov 18, 2018

V.P., Some good scores with beautiful bone handles.
Paul, Three great old knives, but that H.S.B. with the spiral punch and neat shield really takes the cake.
Campbellclanman, another wonderful group of fine old folders. That "Buffalo Bill" shield is just plain neat (and rare).
redsparrow, very nice example from a seldom seen maker.

Here is an old pre WWII pearl gentleman's folder from Ulster.

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Augie · Nov 18, 2018

Nice old knives being posted everyone, some real beauties.

Picked up this decent NYK cattle knife, mostly full blades.

veitsi_poika · Nov 18, 2018

Augie said:
Nice old knives being posted everyone, some real beauties.

Picked up this decent NYK cattle knife, mostly full blades.

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Great knife Augie and I love that 3rd picture with the patina of the blades against the backdrop of sawcut wood... aesthetically awesome

Augie · Nov 18, 2018

veitsi_poika said:
Great knife Augie and I love that 3rd picture with the patina of the blades against the backdrop of sawcut wood... aesthetically awesome

Thank you Kevin, appreciate it.

mitch4ging · Nov 18, 2018

Great knives being posted,

paulhilborn
@Campbellclanman

redsparrow
Those are just sublime examples!!

Makes me a little intimidated to post

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A recent addition, but haven't found a lot of information on this maker, other than German. It's Rotgens Superior Cutlery.

r8shell · Nov 18, 2018

mitch4ging said:
Great knives being posted,
paulhilborn
@Campbellclanman
redsparrow
Those are just sublime examples!!
Makes me a little intimidated to post.
A recent addition, but haven't found a lot of information on this maker, other than German. It's Rotgens Superior Cutlery.View attachment 1022933 View attachment 1022934

So you're the guy who outbid me!

I was trying to find anything about the maker, and all I could come up with was a mention in some sort of report regarding imports to China from 1886-1888.
https://books.google.com/books?id=I...#v=onepage&q=Rotgens Superior Cutlery&f=false

paulhilborn · Nov 18, 2018

r8shell said:
So you're the guy who outbid me!
I was trying to find anything about the maker, and all I could come up with was a mention in some sort of report regarding imports to China from 1886-1888.
https://books.google.com/books?id=ISpBAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA123-IA5&lpg=PA123-IA5&dq=Rotgens+Superior+Cutlery&source=bl&ots=D6a5qRrZ_7&sig=NwORRkz3zMWMJAa6fIP2DGIhoNo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJp4nhjt_eAhUFWqwKHcANB-c4ChDoATACegQICxAB#v=onepage&q=Rotgens Superior Cutlery&f=false

Ha, I been there r8shell :thumbsup:

I know I've lost out to Charlie before and I'm sure others here

Just the same, nice knife Mitch........and r8shell

mitch4ging · Nov 18, 2018

r8shell said:
So you're the guy who outbid me!
I was trying to find anything about the maker, and all I could come up with was a mention in some sort of report regarding imports to China from 1886-1888.
https://books.google.com/books?id=ISpBAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA123-IA5&lpg=PA123-IA5&dq=Rotgens+Superior+Cutlery&source=bl&ots=D6a5qRrZ_7&sig=NwORRkz3zMWMJAa6fIP2DGIhoNo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJp4nhjt_eAhUFWqwKHcANB-c4ChDoATACegQICxAB#v=onepage&q=Rotgens Superior Cutlery&f=false

Ohhh, I sorry, Rachel!

I debated, but I thought for the price, I'd go for it.
Thank you very much for the link!

paulhilborn said:
Ha, I been there r8shell I know I've lost out to Charlie before and I'm sure others here

Just the same, nice knife Mitch........and r8shell

Thanks, Paul.

waynorth · Nov 18, 2018

Campbellclanman said:
Man these old Knives.... Just stunning!
Ok Paul, I pulled a few boxes out and looked at a Couple of OVB Harness Jacks, then went into my Cattle Knives because I knew I had some Spiraled punches there.....
Also I would lie you to compare the Bone on my old Camillus Trapper to yours and put the two together so to speak.....

Spiral Punch on this well made Cattle Knife, Blade is etched "Sta Sharp" also Tang is Stamped " High Carbon Steel, USA.
Sears Knife made by Camillus- this too has a Centre Liner Coined.......

Here also is another Camillus made Knife, Has the High Carbon Steel Stamp- with Craftsman Sta Sharp etched on the Main..this is a Beast, Three Springed and incredibly made - here she is...Paul check out the Punch....

Now here is the Bone thats from the same Family on your Knife as well matey, there are differences but lets see what the others think with the Bone - Oh man...didnt they just do things right in the day?

Here are two New York HJ Knives, the Top is Stamped Hammer Brand/ New York Knife Co. The Ebone New York Knife Co, both these Have the New York Knife Co. Punches...

These two HJ Knives - The top being a OVB and is exact as the above photo Hammer Brand HJ - same Patent on the Punches.

The reason why I wanted to show you the Punches that are plain and not spiraled is because they are the exact same as the shown here on the Buffalo Bill New York Knife... then we have the Spiralled on the New York Scout Knife, ALL the New York Knife Punches are laminated two-piece Tangs....

Now the Spiraled New York Version....

Pile side when closed you see the angled side jutting over..

Wonderful series of knives, Duncan!! :thumbsup:

r8shell · Nov 18, 2018

mitch4ging said:
Ohhh, I sorry, Rachel! I debated, but I thought for the price, I'd go for it.
Thank you very much for the link!

Thanks, Paul.

It's all good. Sorry I cost you an extra $5.

I was just curious about it. Now I get to find out about it for free.

What's the measurement of the button hook? Is that bolster loose or just askew?

paulhilborn · Nov 18, 2018

Augie said:
Nice old knives being posted everyone, some real beauties.

Picked up this decent NYK cattle knife, mostly full blades.

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WOW John (seems I say that often after you post)

another beauty as usual my friend :thumbsup:

mitch4ging · Nov 18, 2018

r8shell said:
It's all good. Sorry I cost you an extra $5. I was just curious about it. Now I get to find out about it for free.
What's the measurement of the button hook? Is that bolster loose or just askew?

The hook is ~.25". The bolsters are just askew.
Here's next to a peanut.

waynorth · Nov 18, 2018

redsparrow said:
Last summer I came across a Cattle Knife made by Pal Cutlery Co. At the time having not heard much about the Pal company I was pleasantly surprised and very impressed by the high build quality of that knife, absolutely solid. Since then I've been keeping an eye open for Pal made knives and have spotted a few. This one, a Single Spring Serpentine Opposite End Jack was delivered a few days ago. Once again my interest in Pal Cutlery products was rewarded with an excellent piece of vintage cutlery.

Made between 1945 and 1953 the blades open and close smoothly with a very satisfying snap. The spey blade is nearly full while the main has a nice match-strike long pull and plenty of life left in it. At 3 5/8" long and rounded ends, it slips in the pocket nicely and because it's thin it lays flat making a easy carry.

The one aspect of this classic knife that really caught my eye and has given me the most enjoyment is (what I believe to be) the tan Rogers Jigged Bone. There are no cracks, chips or gaps and the wonderful quality of the bone gives this knife a great look and feel.

Having had only positive experiences with Pal Cutlery Co. I plan on adding Pal knives to my accumulation as they become available. -James

Pal bought out Remington If I am not mistaken, ca. 1940.
I think you can see some Remington influence in that beautiful double-ender. :thumbsup:

As well, nice Ulster from herder, Great NYK from Augie and a cool Rotgens from Mitch!!
We are privy to some of the greatest old, traditional pocketknives in the world here!!

r8shell · Nov 18, 2018

mitch4ging said:
The hook is ~.25". The bolsters are just askew.
Here's next to a peanut.
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Neat, thanks. It's smaller than I would have thought. I think those were for buttoning those Victorian lady's boots.

mitch4ging · Nov 18, 2018

r8shell said:
Neat, thanks. It's smaller than I would have thought. I think those were for buttoning those Victorian lady's boots.

That would make sense. :thumbsup:

redsparrow · Nov 18, 2018

Ramrodmb said:
Awesome knife, James! In my experience the Rogers bone Pal used (on almost every Pal knife I've ever seen) has a distinct lighter coloring that is noticeable a mile away! Looks fabulous!

Thanks Mark. I appreciate the compliment and also your helping to verify the covers as Rogers jigged bone.

waynorth said:
Pal bought out Remington If I am not mistaken, ca. 1940.
I think you can see some Remington influence in that beautiful double-ender.

Thank you Charlie for your kind words regarding the Pal double-ender.
The best info I've located thus far on Pal agrees with you. Pal bought out Remington which added knife producing capabilities to their existing razor production. It was called Pal Blade Co. until 1945 when the name was changed to Pal Cutlery Co.