Ontario RAT 3 review

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cabala said:
Picture shows also lenght of blade ( actually shortness of blade ).
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what about it? the point was on the lenght of the handle. youv'e moved your hand back, are still getting a good grip on the knife (far as I can tell from the picture) and don't have your fingers on the blade.

edit: ahh, I see what you where doing in one of your erlier pictures. the hollowed out part between the actual blade and the guard isn't intended as a notch for your foward finger, I'ts intended to allow you to sharpen the whole blade properly, rather than having problems sharpening (and using) the full blade as anything right at the bottom hits the handle scales.
 
phaserrifle said:
what about it? the point was on the lenght of the handle. youv'e moved your hand back, are still getting a good grip on the knife (far as I can tell from the picture) and don't have your fingers on the blade.

edit: ahh, I see what you where doing in one of your erlier pictures. the hollowed out part between the actual blade and the guard isn't intended as a notch for your foward finger, I'ts intended to allow you to sharpen the whole blade properly, rather than having problems sharpening (and using) the full blade as anything right at the bottom hits the handle scales.
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No. Design of handle and blade is poor and because of that you have poor grip on a handle and poor blade length
 
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cabala said:
No. Design of handle and blade is poor and because of that you have poor grip on a handle and poor blade lenght
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the blade lenght is not affected by how the handle is designed. and what are you using it for that needs a longer blade. I can do most jobs I come across with a modified disection scalple (the one peice type) I don't, because that realy does have an uncomfortable handle. but it is possible. blade lenght is about the same as the small blade on a swiss army knife. a blade the lenght of a standard swiss army knife blade could do almost any job apart from chopping in my experience. so long as it was wide (edge to spine dimension) enough

so far your pictures have shown no actual evidence of the grip being poor, and even then this only suggests that the design doesn't suit you, with no supporting information on stuff like how big your hands are. if you have larger than average hands, some knives may have grips that are too small for you, because they are based around an average hand size.
 
phaserrifle said:
so far your pictures have shown no actual evidence of the grip being poor, and even then this only suggests that the design doesn't suit you, with no supporting information on stuff like how big your hands are. if you have larger than average hands, some knives may have grips that are too small for you, because they are based around an average hand size.
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I have large hands myself, and find short handles work fine, since palming the handle is a legitimate and comfortable grip that gives me good control, especially with a short blade.

Only for heavy chopping with a longer blade would I prefer a handle overlapping my grip, especially with a bird's-beak.



(By the way, the proper spelling is "length."
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I have large hands myself, and find short handles work fine, since palming the handle is a legitimate and comfortable grip that gives me good control, especially with a short blade.

Only for heavy chopping with a longer blade would I prefer a handle overlapping my grip, especially with a bird's-beak.



(By the way, the proper spelling is "length."
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my hands are more or less average size, so my comments are mostly based on a few friends experiences. if the OP was commenting that the RAT design was making it difficult to use the handle as you say, then thats fine enough

sorry about my spelling, that would be by dyslexia showing through. (course it doesn't help that most of you lot don't know how to spell Colour and Aluminium :p)
 
Good morning. I have been drinking a hot cup of tea, waiting for my ride to come get me. This thread has made the time pass so pleasantly---ain't the internet a gem?:D
 
phaserrifle said:
the blade lenght is not affected by how the handle is designed. and what are you using it for that needs a longer blade. I can do most jobs I come across with a modified disection scalple (the one peice type) I don't, because that realy does have an uncomfortable handle. but it is possible. blade lenght is about the same as the small blade on a swiss army knife. a blade the lenght of a standard swiss army knife blade could do almost any job apart from chopping in my experience. so long as it was wide (edge to spine dimension) enough

so far your pictures have shown no actual evidence of the grip being poor, and even then this only suggests that the design doesn't suit you, with no supporting information on stuff like how big your hands are. if you have larger than average hands, some knives may have grips that are too small for you, because they are based around an average hand size.
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RAT has has short handle but that wouldn't be such problem that is better designed ( shaped for more confortable and secure grip ).

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It also have loss on blade about a half inch because of finger groove portion.
 
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cabala said:
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RAT has has short handle but that wouldn't be such problem that is better designed ( shaped for more confortable and secure grip ).
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right. you'r problem is with the shaping of the handle. not it's length. if you'd said that at the start, then things would have been far easier.

also, a word of friendly advice: constructive critisim is prefered to simply slagging a knife off. what are its good points? what are its bad points? spesifcs on problems are good, as are sugestions for how those problems might be dealt with.
 
phaserrifle said:
right. you'r problem is with the shaping of the handle. not it's length. if you'd said that at the start, then things would have been far easier.

also, a word of friendly advice: constructive critisim is prefered to simply slagging a knife off. what are its good points? what are its bad points? spesifcs on problems are good, as are sugestions for how those problems might be dealt with.
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It sounds like my " review ".

Last thing about this " knife "!

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If you try to cut uniform or cloth you may hook it with this finger groove, and if is matter of time that can be big problem. This is one of mayor problems with this " design ".
 
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Sheaths do melt very easy, burn easy so beware if you sit close to camp fire. Even with tek lock, knife would be easy to lose in outdoors, especially in extreme situation. Very weak sheath with much possibilities to carry and lose knife.

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I must also reshaped entry of sheath how it can be easier to hold handle.
 
Conclusion?

For now on this is kitchen knife and we will see how is quality of materials and edge retention.

Pros - buy yourself a real knife; rest of us - do what you like.
 
Cabala, do yourself a favor and stop writing reviews your inexperience with knives and steel shines through in your postings. :thumbdn:
 
cabala said:
What do you think who resharpend this knives? I did it with Lansky sharpeners ( diamnond and regular, all grains ) and it last for both knives 6 - 8 hours till knives were razor sharp. For example, i resharpend Buck 119 to razor sharpness for about half hour. Steel 1095 will rust in salt and jungle enviorment because of his structure and canvas micarta already shows changes on surface ( in " kitchen enviorment "). You should get some experience in " wine and cheese ". " Yes - no " doesn't proof anything.
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cabala said:
Please, try resharpen dull 1095 knife.
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why was it dull?

how dull was it?

did you intentionally dull the edge to see how long it would take you to sharpen?

ive never spent 6-8 hours sharpening anything. but i don't let my knives get so dull it would take an excessive amount of time to resharpen.
 
cabala said:
I forgot something important!


Sheaths do melt very easy, burn easy so beware if you sit close to camp fire. Even with tek lock, knife would be easy to lose in outdoors, especially in extreme situation. Very weak sheath with much possibilities to carry and lose knife.

I must also reshaped entry of sheath how it can be easier to hold handle.
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how close to the fire do you sit?

your clothes would catch fire before the sheath melted, methinks.
 
6-8 hours to sharpen just means your doing it wrong.
 
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