This guy:
And this guy:
Seem to think differently than literally everyone else in this thread and most reputable businesses and paypal. Oh well.
What does the direction of the herd have to do with anything? Should I round up a group of forum member's that don't agree with you? Then what - draw straws?
Not everyone uses PayPal and the OP didn't mention PayPal in his initial post. But don't let the facts get in the way of anything.
A good portion of the transactions on the sale forum can't even get past complying with the first 2 paragraphs of Selling and Accepting Payment section of the PPUA.
Just today I see a post with this:
if you want insurance its on you.. To say there is a lack of knowledge on the forum as to what the buyer's and seller's duties to one another are is an understatement. Even fewer understand their duties to one another as PayPal has defined them.
From the PPUA:
If the seller presents evidence that they delivered the goods to your address, PayPal may find in favor of the seller for an Item Not Received claim even if you did not receive the goods. Here PayPal is disclosing that in some instances, they will side will the Seller despite the Buyer claiming the item did not arrive.
Uh oh. So they seem to be acknowledging there are times when the seller will not be required to reimburse the buyer, even if the buyer does not have possession of the item. And this does happen. There have been threads of seller's indicating the item is showing delivered per the USPS and the package is nowhere to be found per the buyer. Why would PayPal do this? As they recognize that the title to the item has reverted to the buyer, and the risk of loss passed to the buyer. This concept goes back to when the Atocha sank in the Atlantic ocean. Yeah that was 1622. The seller can't control what he has given up actual or constructive control over. Even PayPal drew a line in the sand on this.
BTW - Any knife with a sale price of $750 or more PP requires a signature for the seller to prove delivery. USPS insurance requires signature when insurance hits $500.
So how does one make sure that as seller, they aren't tarred and feathered by the masses because despite the seller having poof of delivery, the buyer's claim of item not received is absolute and exists in perpetuity or until the sun burns out, whichever event occurs later? Remember this is despite the PPUA stating they will
NOT side with the buyer on this one. Buy insurance from the USPS. But not so fast... The USPS won't pay on an insurance claim when the package shows as delivered. An one more time the PPUA staes they will
NOT side with the buyer on this one. I believe this exact scenario happened to the Gentleman from USA Made Blades. Delivery notification was obtained, but buyer claimed no delivery. He posted a thread about the issue. I'll look for it.
I personally insure the package for the amount of loss the buyer will want to recover from me should the package not arrive.