PachaasPaisaa=Liar at best (banned), Anand Moses amose001@ucr.edu,amoses007@gmail.com

[link2derek]

It appears, from your own words, that you have had some issues sending packages that are delivered in good order. Perhaps this is why you are so angry and unpleasant? BTW, that is a rhetorical question, PP.

are you stupid?

did you not read the first thread that was posted about me backing out from a deal?

BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BACKING OUT OF A DEAL AND RIPPING A BUYER OFF

get your head out of your ass and then comment.

ive had a 600 dollar hinderer jacked out of the mail and what did i do, i replaced it with 24 hours, no problems

stay out of matters that dont concern you, im never planning on doing a transaction with you, never have

 

[wolfmann601]

dude how does this possibly matter to you, it was my mistake and i paid for it by sending by buyer a brand new one within 24 hours!!

did i do anything wrong? NO.

It matters to me because I care about BFC and it is shiit deals like this that cause people to be hesitant when dealing with anybody.

You see, I still send out the knives I sell before I get payment. If a BFC member says "payment is on the way" then I am 100% confident I will get my dough. But with folks like you who forget the importance of credibility, integrity, honesty and the value of their word, it is getting harder to ship prior to recieving payment....................from anybody without having to say a freaking Prayer!!!

So, be a valued member of BFC or be a non-member. There is no "in-between"

 

[shooter_250]

+1...

 

[u812]

I have not read the whole thread but you said

however, Rob also has the ability to file an insurance claim with the USPS based on everything I have sent,

he does not,I have checked on this before when I thought a package was lost.I insured it and it was up to me to file a claim.If the package had not shown up two days later I would have refunded the money,filed the claim and waited to be paid by the PO.

 

[Rob_Angerer]

i will address it in public because i have no issue to hide

the package was shipped with 1/2 spyderco militaries in my possession in s90v with carbon fiber. The knife was NIB just like the other one which was sent to p40_warhawk and was received as it should be.

the other did not make it to its destination. Do not know what happened to it. However, I did email the shipping receipt from the self service machine along with the tracking slip as soon as it was shipped. The weight very clearly says 6.60 ounces going to Port Arthur, Texas. I packed in it the envelope - thick mailer from USPS, sealed it and shipped it, and I know this to be true because my receipt backs up what I am saying.

HOWEVER, when i tracked it almost 2 days after leaving my post office it was in Ohio, then went to Texas. I thought this was shifty and informed Mr. Angerer via email that I would proceed to monitor this and if necessary, contact my post office about a missing/lost item (i recently had a Karambit destined for Grapevine, TX end up in Honolulu so i was prepared for another incident like this)

however, after tracking the knife after about 4 days it said it was in the north houston area (at least it was in Texas) so i figured everything was good to go. I saw it change status to delivered, then i received the email from Mr. Angerer stating that there was no knife in the envelope.

I SHIPPED THE PACKAGE INSURED FOR THE FULL VALUE OF THE TRANSACTION. If it does not reach its destination, that is what the purpose of insuring it is for. I made sure every loose end on my end was taken care of, from providing the tracking and shipping receipts, to addressing every one of my buyers emails, no matter how accusatory or rude they may have been.

I did in fact, tell Mr. Angerer that I sent him a money order, which I did indeed lie about. I had it ready to go from my bank, but then decided that there is no real reason why i should compensate him for a lost knife that was insured for such an unforseen circumstance.

If i had not sent the package insured, his problem would be valid and I would be at fault for a very faulty transaction. However, I sent the package insured because in the past (my first transaction on BF) i had a Hinderer 3.5 inch XM-18 stolen in the mail and did not insure it....what did i do? I send a BRAND NEW knife to the buyer the very next day, no b.s involved. But now i will not do that, because my responsibilities as a merchant have been taken care of, and I am not responsible for lost articles in the mail

ESPECIALLY WHEN I INSURED THEM FOR THE FULL VALUE OF THE TRANSACTION....THATS THE POINT.

I'm capturing this in quotes so you can see that he basically lied to me about refunding my money in the form of a money order. Now he wants to rationalize the whole thing. All I'll say here publicly is that I'm taking appropriate measures with the local Postal Inspector to address the situation.

 

[Ren the devils trailboss]

If PP had spent as much time trying to fix the problem with the seller as he has trying to defend his melting iceberg with a contant stream of hot verbal diahreah he would be in the hall of fame. Bottom line, your a crook and a douchebag if you dont make good asap without constantly bitching about it. Refund the seller his money, actions speak louder than words.

 

[on_the_edge]

PP, you get the $ from insurance, not the buyer. The buyer gets the $ he paid already paid you, ALL OF IT! It is as simple as that!

 

[Rob_Angerer]

Anand Moses lied to me about reimbursing me via Money Order for the $260. He has admitted as much.

He has closed his Paypal account and doesn't have the money, per his email, to reimburse me.

I called the local Postal Inspector, and have an appointment with him this coming Monday at 4:30pm CST. I will provide him with the evidence (a very flat envelope that doesn't appear to have ever contained a knife, and which is perfectly sealed with clear tape on one end), and Anand's string of emails.

I told the Postal Inspector, Mr. Chuck Kelley in Beaumont TX, that I suspected potential mail fraud and would provide him with physical evidence, the flat envelope sent from an unmanned Postal kiosk in Riverside CA, and the anecdotal evidence in the form of the huge string of emails w/ Mr Moses. He told me he was quite interested in the case and would be firm in his message that the postal insurance system, and potential mail fraud, were serious issues to him and that he'd take appropriate actions (I toned down the actual language used by myself and Mr Kelley). Mr Moses had better hope he isn't on camera at the Riverside CA post office he used.

I warned Mr Anand Moses that I didn't screw around with this kinda stuff. After I queried another of Moses' "customers", I got an email from this BF member that the EXACT same thing happened to him recently with Mr Moses, except that the BF member decided to file all the insurance claim info on his end. I'm not so easy with such matters when I smell a fishy deal.

All the overcompensating, all the defensiveness, the lie, it's all going to come home to roost on Mr Moses, and I will get my money from someone, either the USPS or Mr Moses, in the end. Fortunately, I don't need the money for food or rent or mortgage, so I can see this one through to the lesson-teaching end, whether that lesson be "make the buyer right" or whether that lesson be "don't F@#& with the USPS insurance system".

And by the way, here are my direct words to Mr Moses regarding his earlier post:

Rob
Why did you change your email handle?
What other usernames have you used on BF other than PachaasPaisaa ?
I only saw ONE feedback item on BF, and that should've been my warning.

Rob
You have staked out the middle ground... a mid-dollar production knife, and a bad transaction, and a bald faced lie to top it off. Congratulations, Andy/Anand. I mean really... from a middle eastern name Anand Moses (?) to Andy? Weird at best.

Rob
It's "Fish or cut bait" time Anand. Seriously. If you are going to come clean, make it quick ... I'm not waiting around for another week like you had me do the last time you lied to me.

Anand Moses
i have 190.00 dollars coming in from an emerson knife like i told you

thats all i have right now because i really did have to fix my car, you want me to show you pictures of the damage?

Rob
Nah, I'm sure you really had car damage. I trust you.

So, assuming we go the reimbursement route, when do you think you could beg/borrow/steal enough money to pay me back?

As I said in this post, I'm going the Postal Inspector route on this one, mostly since Anand flat out lied to me about refunding my money, and doesn't appear to have the money or someone he can borrow from... so I'll see that this one is contemplated in light of the Federal Law regarding insurance and the Federal mail system with respect to this transaction.

I respect the enormous level of trust and respect that this "for sale" forum is built upon, and that it's members convey and demonstrate on the whole. I am not one to shy away from controversy, or my reputation in such matters. That sounds righteous ... but WTF... I learned long ago that being honest is the right way, and the much lower friction way, to live one's existence.

blahblahblah ... postal inspector.

 

[FMAKNut]

Wow...all that drama from Pach and in the end he just decides to take your money and run...Serious douchery

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

removes

 

[link2derek]

You need Jesus, lost soul.

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

so now based on the fact that i received a money order for another knife and can refund the money this is what i get back from mr. angerer --

Yaknow what, I'm keeping my appointment w/ the Postal Inspector. I think you should keep your money, as you obviously need it for various things in your life. Like, say, car repairs.

I'm going to file the insurance claim and get the money that way. I mean, the knife is apparently stolen, and you don't have the knife to ship to me, so we oughta just let the USPS sort this one out, figure out who at the Riverside CA Post Office is stealing knives from packages like yours. That's not right. Someone there in Riverside needs to have their hand slapped, and the inspectors are the right guys internally to the USPS to do that. The USPS shouldn't allow crooked people access to the self service kiosks at their sites. And if they don't have cameras, well, they should. Maybe someone there has an inside track to valuable packages... a good sense of what to open and steal, and then retape and send onward.

You shouldn't have to foot the bill for this, and in fact, I feel like the USPS oughta straighten out their mail handlers since this package, and another one like it you sent, obviously didn't make it out of the local Post Office.

So don't sweat it... I've had a change of heart. I think you are a college student, down on his luck from a car wreck, and you just happened to fall victim to another theft there at Riverside CA Post Office. And that isn't right. I think Chuck Kelley and his comrades should get this straight out there in sunny SoCal.

So don't send any money or money orders. Those could also get stolen from the same thieves there at Riverside. Not worth the risk, since you closed your paypal account. I'll handle this one on my end, and keep you posted starting next Monday.

So over and out from here. Will make contact with you again on Monday evening. Enjoy your nice weather out there, and don't let the Santa Anna winds blow anything away.

Regards,

Rob


now i can officially say he may do what he wishes, because i've done what i can from my end

 

[MORIMOTOM]

i don't think i want to deal with either of you.

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

i mean, honestly i dont know what to tell you

everyone on here has told me to refund all 260.00 dollars and to get my packaging back because the rules here say that the seller has to go through the hassle if the need may arise...a fact i did not know until it was brought to my attention.

i was able to come up with all 260.00 instead of just the 190.00 as i mentioned earlier, and now he refuses my refund...honestly that either tells me he has my knife, or just wants to screw with me

i dont know anyone who would refuse a refund. I offered it once on a public forum and via private email and have had it refused, so there is no more i can do.

i took the advice of the people in this thread and im doing my best to make MY wrongs with this transaction right, but even that doesnt seem to be working out.

like i have said earlier, i offered a refund and im still willing to honor this agreement for at least 12 hours from the time of my post...but from what im seeing, he doesnt really want to work with me no matter what i do.

 

[wolfmann601]

After all this stuff PP agrees to refund the $260 and NOW Rob Ang refuses it????

Make sure you tell the Post master that PP agreed to send you a MO and you refused, my guess is that he too will thing you are nucking futs!!!

take the refund and drive on, why confuse things?

 

[jill jackson]

No it's not just the rules here don't say the seller is responsible for getting the item to the seller.
That's the rules anyplace, period. EBay will refund the buyer if the item does not get to them. (if the seller doesn't step right up) I have a knife right now that I sold on eBay and it's not showing up anyplace other than where I mailed it at present, I keep track of all I sale through tracking. If it doesn't show up, I will contact the buyer this week. It's insured, but that's on me not him. I will have to refund if it's lost then file for MY money back. In other words it's always the sellers responsibility to see the item gets to the buyer. I am concerned if it doesn't and will begin to take steps to make it right, even before the buyer inquiries about where the knife is.

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

right and like i said ive taken the proper steps to try to refund his money with a firm 'no thank you' on his end

i had been tracking his package and it went from california, to ohio, to texas....yet no one, other than me, seems to think this is weird at all. This was after i sent it 2 day priority.

what else am i supposed to do? I've offered to refund his money but he said no, so like i said above, im giving it 12 hours and then that money is earmarked for something else because i have been freed from any obligation i once had to pay my buyer back because he's saying no!

 

[dttomcat]

After Angerer's last post, and PP's subsequent, immediate, offer of a full refund, I feared it might have been too late. PP, you were given every opportunity to make things right here and you chose to keep pushing. Enjoy the Postal Inspector's version of a colonoscopy. Everyone here tried to tell you what you should do. You failed to pay heed and it looks like Mr. Angerer will be sticking to his guns. I'm happy to see that not everyone believes that money is the most important thing in life.

 

[Ren the devils trailboss]

Lets sum it up at this point.
PP is a person of questionable judgement, but after community pressure agrees to send a MO for the value of the knife in question.

Rob is being a self righteous douche by refusing the refund

Am I missing anything?

 

[Planterz]

i don't think i want to deal with either of you.

I was about to say the same thing, but since you already did, I'll just say "Ditto".