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PachaasPaisaa=Liar at best (banned), Anand Moses amose001@ucr.edu,amoses007@gmail.com
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From dealings I have had with the Post Office Rob just really reduced his chances of getting any money back.You will most likely go in for your meeting,tell them all about it,fill out a form and never here anything again.
That is what happened to me the one time someone tried to rip me off on a deal.I did end up getting my end of the deal back but it was work on my part that got the guy to do the right thing.
That is what happened to me the one time someone tried to rip me off on a deal.I did end up getting my end of the deal back but it was work on my part that got the guy to do the right thing.
Esav Benyamin
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Why would you doubt it? USPS contracts out its air shipments, and has to take what it can get to move mail to its ultimate destination. This may very well seem circuitous but depends on what cargo space is available to link up with a connecting flight to end up wherever.
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I've been following this thread and I just want to say..wat. Why would you refuse the refund after all of that?
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If Rob believes PP made a deliberate effort to scam him, he has an obligation to the justice system to pursue this through law enforcement. It may cost him money but it would remove a problem from the community and send a strong message to other scammers.
There does come a point when the only accurate view is "overkill".
There does come a point when the only accurate view is "overkill".
Because that's not the way USPS tracking works. You get an origin scan, a departure sort facility scan, an arrival sort facility scan and a destination PO scan. Unlike FedEx and UPS, they don't give you the details about where the package is in between. Plus I very much doubt everything PP says and this sounds like BS to me.
If Rob believes PP made a deliberate effort to scam him, he has an obligation to the justice system to pursue this through law enforcement. It may cost him money but it would remove a problem from the community and send a strong message to other scammers.
There does come a point when the only accurate view is "overkill".
That's the way I see it. While I agree that the easiest route to getting his money back would be to accept the MO, Rob made it clear that money wasn't the most important issue here. I think, and I could be wrong, that is wasn't pressure from the community that brought PP around, but instead the threat of serious consequences. Ultimately, the decision is Rob's to make. I wouldn't blame him if he just decided to accept the refund, nor would I blame him if he decides to see the USPS process through. He hasn't been the real problem here. Look at his feedback. I would not hesitate to deal with him at all. I would, though, strongly caution anyone against attempting to scam him. I'm not sayin' that's what happened here. I'm just sayin' ...
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I looked over Robs posts - nowhere he refuses to take a refund.
He writes : " I will get my money from someone, either the USPS or Mr Moses, in the end."
So the story about him refusing the refund either took place in emails or just another made up story by other side of the conflict
He writes : " I will get my money from someone, either the USPS or Mr Moses, in the end."
So the story about him refusing the refund either took place in emails or just another made up story by other side of the conflict
If the purported email from Rob, posted by PP is accurate, I agree with Rob that the best course of action is to let the Postal Inspector deal with PP. If PP is the lying scumbag that he seems in this thread, hopefully there will be ample evidence to convict him of a Federal crime.
all da best,
rats...
all da best,
rats...
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thats fine by me
anyways, its past 10:14am PST which means my obligation to send Rob the 260.00 is over
keep in mind that if i had been trying to scam anyone, i wouldnt have
A) even involved myself in this thread at all, laid low and never gone on BF again
B) ignored every last one of the 50 or so emails that we sent back and forth, not ONE of them having more than 2 hours response time in between
C) gone out of my way to cash a money order and bum 70 bucks from my boss to help pay the man back
D) not sent it from my HOME address, not some random ass PO box
E) given him my personal cell phone number to communicate with me if necessary
i was under the impression that it doesnt matter who files the claim at the USPS, either him or me - i was WRONG and now that i have that knowledge i am making the best of it.
Like i said, i took the advice of the people here and offered to refund it and i get a 'no'...well then i cant do anything about that
and yes, here is the tracking number on the orginal package do you guys can see that from california, it went to ohio, was sitting in texas for two days, then ... well honestly it doesnt say its delivered on the status, so i dont even know if it actually was
0310 0480 0002 2905 7096
its amazing how many people have called me a scumbag when i have owned up to my mistake of lying to a customer, offered to refund 100% of the money and im still the douchebag - i understand what i did was wrong and inappropriate, but even after the fact - Mr Angerer emailed me regarding the issue and I still respond via email! Do you think anyone who was trying to scam someone would do?
i have every last one of the 56 emails sent between us...so if anyone doubts it and wants to read ALL 56 of them forwarded i would be more than happy to send them to you.
now that i look at the status...it doesnt even say delivered!!! how is that mr angerer has my envelope when it was never delivered to him!?!? Every other package i have sent says 'delivered' once it has been...i just sent over 2k worth of custom emersons in the mail and it went from california to alabama within 48 hours and we DELIVERED and marked as such on the tracking information.
furthermore, the amount of times ive been threatened with being convicted of mail fraud, postal fraud, insurance fraud, and a whole other gamut of crimes is ridiculous. Unless you are A) a federal law enforcement agent that deals with this or B) a postal inspector, i dont think any of you should pass judgement on me. I dont even have so much as a parking ticket to my name, the last thing i'm going to try to do is commit felonious crimes over 260.00. I have a job, i'm not on drugs or dependent on any substances, and i have no kids to feed, so trust me - its not worth my time or money to scam someone for that amount, or any at all. I had a hard time coming up with the full 260.00 because i'm still paying my body shop for my front end damage, and now i have to pay for the rear end. If anyone wants pictures, ill be more than happy to send them to you.
I've been buying and selling custom knives for the past 5 years, and not ONE of these customs, valued MUCH higher than a spyderco military has gone missing. I've had 100's of dollars deposited into my once existent paypal account as 'gift' - something i could have cashed and ran, but never have. I have been in CONSTANT communication with my buyer, trying to figure out wtf to do. At first I didnt have the whole 260.00 so i offered what i had - unagreeable. Then i bum the rest and offer to send it - unagreeable. Everyone calls me a douchebag but NO ONE seems to notice that when this happened BEFORE - I SENT MY BUYER A BRAND NEW $600 KNIFE WITHIN 24 HOURS....because it was MY FAULT that the knife was not shipped with insurance. I didnt make my buyer wait around twiddling their thumbs wondering if they would get a refund, i did it straight up, in a timely manner. I have NO RECORD of scamming ANYONE...whether it be here, jerzeedevil, or even when i had an account at USN. The only thing that I was guilty of (and i admit this) was being too hasty to buy something and then realizing i didnt have the appropriate funds to back it up. I have not once, EVER, scammed anyone.
anyways, its past 10:14am PST which means my obligation to send Rob the 260.00 is over
keep in mind that if i had been trying to scam anyone, i wouldnt have
A) even involved myself in this thread at all, laid low and never gone on BF again
B) ignored every last one of the 50 or so emails that we sent back and forth, not ONE of them having more than 2 hours response time in between
C) gone out of my way to cash a money order and bum 70 bucks from my boss to help pay the man back
D) not sent it from my HOME address, not some random ass PO box
E) given him my personal cell phone number to communicate with me if necessary
i was under the impression that it doesnt matter who files the claim at the USPS, either him or me - i was WRONG and now that i have that knowledge i am making the best of it.
Like i said, i took the advice of the people here and offered to refund it and i get a 'no'...well then i cant do anything about that
and yes, here is the tracking number on the orginal package do you guys can see that from california, it went to ohio, was sitting in texas for two days, then ... well honestly it doesnt say its delivered on the status, so i dont even know if it actually was
0310 0480 0002 2905 7096
its amazing how many people have called me a scumbag when i have owned up to my mistake of lying to a customer, offered to refund 100% of the money and im still the douchebag - i understand what i did was wrong and inappropriate, but even after the fact - Mr Angerer emailed me regarding the issue and I still respond via email! Do you think anyone who was trying to scam someone would do?
i have every last one of the 56 emails sent between us...so if anyone doubts it and wants to read ALL 56 of them forwarded i would be more than happy to send them to you.
now that i look at the status...it doesnt even say delivered!!! how is that mr angerer has my envelope when it was never delivered to him!?!? Every other package i have sent says 'delivered' once it has been...i just sent over 2k worth of custom emersons in the mail and it went from california to alabama within 48 hours and we DELIVERED and marked as such on the tracking information.
furthermore, the amount of times ive been threatened with being convicted of mail fraud, postal fraud, insurance fraud, and a whole other gamut of crimes is ridiculous. Unless you are A) a federal law enforcement agent that deals with this or B) a postal inspector, i dont think any of you should pass judgement on me. I dont even have so much as a parking ticket to my name, the last thing i'm going to try to do is commit felonious crimes over 260.00. I have a job, i'm not on drugs or dependent on any substances, and i have no kids to feed, so trust me - its not worth my time or money to scam someone for that amount, or any at all. I had a hard time coming up with the full 260.00 because i'm still paying my body shop for my front end damage, and now i have to pay for the rear end. If anyone wants pictures, ill be more than happy to send them to you.
I've been buying and selling custom knives for the past 5 years, and not ONE of these customs, valued MUCH higher than a spyderco military has gone missing. I've had 100's of dollars deposited into my once existent paypal account as 'gift' - something i could have cashed and ran, but never have. I have been in CONSTANT communication with my buyer, trying to figure out wtf to do. At first I didnt have the whole 260.00 so i offered what i had - unagreeable. Then i bum the rest and offer to send it - unagreeable. Everyone calls me a douchebag but NO ONE seems to notice that when this happened BEFORE - I SENT MY BUYER A BRAND NEW $600 KNIFE WITHIN 24 HOURS....because it was MY FAULT that the knife was not shipped with insurance. I didnt make my buyer wait around twiddling their thumbs wondering if they would get a refund, i did it straight up, in a timely manner. I have NO RECORD of scamming ANYONE...whether it be here, jerzeedevil, or even when i had an account at USN. The only thing that I was guilty of (and i admit this) was being too hasty to buy something and then realizing i didnt have the appropriate funds to back it up. I have not once, EVER, scammed anyone.
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Settle down PP! If everything is as you say then the Postal Service is the one who messed up here and everything will turn out OK in the end. You refund the buyer, you file the claim, and those who mishandled the package will be the ones who pay. In the end everyone will be happy. Except the post office. It will take a while to get it ironed it. Don't lose your cool. This thread is more about the process. BUT, lying during a deal could be construed as sort of scummy. I'm just sayin ...
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From my very basic knowledge of how LE works in general; LE will say to the OP (now crime victim) take the money if the "bad guy" has offered it back!!!
LE is not in tthe business to teach lessons when Internet crime is involved unless they get to play with their sirens!!!
So goes the days of our knives...........................
LE is not in tthe business to teach lessons when Internet crime is involved unless they get to play with their sirens!!!
So goes the days of our knives...........................
Excellent advice!
One caveat though. However you, PP, send the refund. . . . .make sure it's signature required.
Never in my time on BFC or any other forum have I seen anyone refuse a refund.
One of the dumbest things I've ever witnessed! But comical!