PachaasPaisaa=Liar at best (banned), Anand Moses amose001@ucr.edu,amoses007@gmail.com

u812 said:
It is odd that the mailman did not scan a insured package when he delivered it.
He may have scanned the insurance tag,try tracking that number and see what comes up.
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just for the record i tried that too here is the insurance number as based on my receipt which is still in my posession

7396 5426 3640 4200 1000

once again, I offered a refund, it was refused. Instead of immediately rescinding the offer i let it stand for 12 hours, still nothing...
 
benyaM95 Ranger Knif said:
I looked over Robs posts - nowhere he refuses to take a refund.
He writes : " I will get my money from someone, either the USPS or Mr Moses, in the end."
So the story about him refusing the refund either took place in emails or just another made up story by other side of the conflict
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"Yaknow what, I'm keeping my appointment w/ the Postal Inspector. I think you should keep your money, as you obviously need it for various things in your life. Like, say, car repairs..."

the above tells me that he is refusing my refund, am i the only one that sees this as clear as day? The above is copy pasted from an email sent directly to me from his email address...
 
Why can't the OP post in his thread the reasons for refusing the refund.

I cannot imagine this matter, with the facts as they are now going anywhere beyond the return of the money.

But if the OP has a motive or reason I would like to hear it.................
 
GigOne said:
Excellent advice!

One caveat though. However you, PP, send the refund. . . . .make sure it's signature required.


Never in my time on BFC or any other forum have I seen anyone refuse a refund. :eek: One of the dumbest things I've ever witnessed! But comical! :D
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You one upped one. GigOne. :grumpy: That shall not happen again! :D Excellent advice, BTW.

PP, go ahead and send it like Gig said. Signature required. Let's see what happens.
 
Had I read this post earlier I would have added right away that I have dealt with Rob and he is A1. Honorable and intelligent. Communication, shipping, packaging...it is all there. If everyone conducted deals the way Rob does threads like this one would not exist.
 
The short story (I type fast):

I have strong suspicion that Anand Moses did, and has in the past, used other Bladeforum members and the US Postal Service as a "source of funds". I have no idea as to his motives... they are blowing in the Santa Anna winds...

If you have bought/sold/traded knives for many years on the forums, as I have since 2002, you develop pretty good BS sensors. Mine went off early, yet I sent Mr Moses funds via Paypal anyway. I should've listened to my internal BS sensors. I have a stream of overcompensating emails from Mr Moses, and I wouldn't expect EVERYONE to react to them the way I did. And that's ok.

When confronted, Anand said, in no uncertain terms, that he sent me a money order to refund my money. I waited 8 days for a money order, called his bluff via email, and he admitted to lying, and that he just "decided" that I oughta file the claim with USPS. Well, BS.

After talking to the Postal Inspector (and I'm toning down the actual conversation GREATLY in respect for "innocent until proven guilty"), we both agreed that it was an issue that we both deemed important to rectify, and it will be investigated. I promise that I'll do my part to facilitate that action, with evidence.

Anand closed his Paypal account, so now he "promises" me he'll send $190 in some form after he receives payment for another knife, and the balance at a later date. Except that I already received an empty envelope with no Spyderco Military S90V, and I was already lied to regarding the Money Order refund. You'll pardon me for being skeptical. I mean, really... I waited 8 days and then was told "uh, yeah, I decided not to send the money... go F#$% yourself"... in so many words.

And so my PERSONAL choice, which I absolutely don't expect EVERY BF member to agree with, is to present the evidence to the postal inspector, "prosecute" the issue so to speak, no matter the outcome, and teach Mr Moses: 1) a lesson about lying to BF members about refunding money and 2) a lesson about using the BUYER as the source of rectifying a knife loss (questionable) through an insurance claim. And 3) ... you fill in the blank. Being unethical is a really tough way to live your life.

I don't expect you all to agree with me. I am very fortunate not to need the $260 for rent/food/utilities/gas, and I'm willing to go forward to resolve this issue as Mr Moses intended, through the USPS.

At the least, Anand Moses credibility will be ZILCH on the forums if anyone uses the search feature to research his credibility on future purchases... and if so, then I've done any knife forum some level of justice. Money doesn't grow on trees for me, but this is worth it in my opinion.

Use all the adjectives you care to regarding me and my motivations... I'm old enough, and comfortable enough in my skin, to do what I feel is right in this case, and I can sit here and type with conviction as to my path here, and in life in general. Most people won't thumb their noses at (an uncertain) $260 without reason. Something to contemplate.

Not the end of the story...
 
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OK. PP, don't mail out that refund just yet. We'll have to wait and see what happens here. I'm out for now.
 
PachaasPaisaa said:
so now based on the fact that i received a money order for another knife and can refund the money this is what i get back from mr. angerer --

Yaknow what, I'm keeping my appointment w/ the Postal Inspector. I think you should keep your money, as you obviously need it for various things in your life. Like, say, car repairs.

I'm going to file the insurance claim and get the money that way. I mean, the knife is apparently stolen, and you don't have the knife to ship to me, so we oughta just let the USPS sort this one out, figure out who at the Riverside CA Post Office is stealing knives from packages like yours. That's not right. Someone there in Riverside needs to have their hand slapped, and the inspectors are the right guys internally to the USPS to do that. The USPS shouldn't allow crooked people access to the self service kiosks at their sites. And if they don't have cameras, well, they should. Maybe someone there has an inside track to valuable packages... a good sense of what to open and steal, and then retape and send onward.

You shouldn't have to foot the bill for this, and in fact, I feel like the USPS oughta straighten out their mail handlers since this package, and another one like it you sent, obviously didn't make it out of the local Post Office.

So don't sweat it... I've had a change of heart. I think you are a college student, down on his luck from a car wreck, and you just happened to fall victim to another theft there at Riverside CA Post Office. And that isn't right. I think Chuck Kelley and his comrades should get this straight out there in sunny SoCal.

So don't send any money or money orders. Those could also get stolen from the same thieves there at Riverside. Not worth the risk, since you closed your paypal account. I'll handle this one on my end, and keep you posted starting next Monday.

So over and out from here. Will make contact with you again on Monday evening. Enjoy your nice weather out there, and don't let the Santa Anna winds blow anything away.

Regards,

Rob


now i can officially say he may do what he wishes, because i've done what i can from my end
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I hope that the educated reader can smell the sarcasm in my email to Mr Anand Moses, aka PachaasPaisaa.
 
PachaasPaisaa said:
i mean, honestly i dont know what to tell you

i was able to come up with all 260.00 instead of just the 190.00 as i mentioned earlier, and now he refuses my refund...honestly that either tells me he has my knife, or just wants to screw with me
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Lie to me once, shame on you. Lie to me twice, shame on me. :jerk it: :barf:
 
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I would never deal with a forum member who ships a knife in an envelope like that, and uses First Class mail, even setting aside his shameful history.
I would have no problem dealing with Rob.
 
PachaasPaisaa said:
just for the record i tried that too here is the insurance number as based on my receipt which is still in my posession

7396 5426 3640 4200 1000

once again, I offered a refund, it was refused. Instead of immediately rescinding the offer i let it stand for 12 hours, still nothing...
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Looking at the pic of the package that is not the right number.
 
Rob_Angerer said:
You don't know all of the details. And yet, it's a big forum, and a big world. My feedback track record speaks for itself. No tears.
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you're right, i don't.

and at this point i don't care about all the details. you started this thread with the intention of being refunded in some way.

the seller was eventually convinced he needed to refund you fully, which it appears he was prepared to do.

we all helped you here, not the other way around. now you turn down the refund and choose a different course of action. this thread and everyone's contributions were all a tremendous waste of time.

maybe it is my loss for now choosing never to deal with either of you. i doubt it, but that's fine. and i am not the only one who has been alienated by both of you due to this thread.
 
u812 said:
Looking at the pic of the package that is not the right number.
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that is the tracking number on my shipping receipt - as per the insurance form

the other tracking number (on the tracking slip) i also presented to the forum, and that was the one that showed it went to ohio, and then to TX.

i've shipped countless numbers of packages in that exact same type of envelope and have had them reach safe and undamaged. Custom munroes, emersons, hinderers...the whole gamut.
 
Rob_Angerer said:
Lie to me once, shame on you. Lie to me twice, shame on me. :jerk it: :barf:
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how are you assuming i'm lying? if i was lying, do you think i would email you AND post on the forum that im trying to give you a refund

would i let that offer stand for 12 hours if i wasnt going to give you your money back?

":jerk it::barf:

....very mature.
 
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Like a freaking soap opera!!!!

So, is there evidence that PP actually sent an empty envelope with the purpose to deprive the OP permanently thereof? Is there evidence he sent an empty mailer for the sole purpose of committing fraud or is this a case of he said, she said?
From reading this soap opera it looks like PP is saying he did mail a knife and now will refund the "victim" and get his money back thru the insurance and the OP claims it's a case of Fraud.
And now the USPS plan to prosecute this guy because they investigate all cases of alleged mail fraud and prosecute???????

I can't wait to see all this LE activity, major investigations with Inspectors traveling all over the place. Then do what, teach the guy a lesson by throwing him in Federal Prison or get you your money?
If the USPS pursues this case knowing the "suspect" has been trying to refund the money it is clear they have no idea how to pick their cases.
There are several more incidents here on BFC taken to the Postal Inspectors who have done nothing, and these "suspects" do not plan to ever refund one red cent!!

"After talking with the Postal Inspector we both felt this was important to rectify".................................doesn't a refund rectify this????????


AND so are the "Days of our knives".........................
 
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How could it be a case of Mail Insurance fraud, if he was/is going to refund the money then collect from the Insurance claim...woulden't it just even out?with no money gained or lost by PP.
 
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