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PAYPAL and sellers
- Thread starter sloth357
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To me that is different and totally acceptable. You have the knife in your hand, it meets your expectations and you know that there is not going to be an "oh no" moment when you open the shipping box.
That would be the only way I would hit the personal option.
Other than that, I feel the way as most of the other posters. If I even see the words personal option I hit the back button. Personally I like to see the full price/with shipping included in the price. You know immediately what you are going to pay. Everyone has their own way of doing things though.
Thanks to the one who posted the calculator. Pretty cool tool.
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SCREW PAYPAL I will not take it. I have my very own credit card machine ant I take them over the phone. fast and simple. I offer two ways of paying. over the phone and money order in the mail. I dont ask any extra for paying by credit card eather.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but the above statement confuses me.
W/ the personal tab, PayPal simply charges the payer the fees instead of the payee. I don't see where PayPal is getting cheated here. Unless they only charge me and give the rest of you a pass...
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No, the only time there is a charge is if the payment is made by credit card. Direct transfers from a linked checking account or through a surplus paypal balance are free of charge.
A single "bad apple" who abuses this privilege will likely create the same result we've all seen in our lives: the privilege is taken away from everyone.
however, without paypal, there's really no chance for us OCONUS to be able to buy/sell/trade like we do.[/QUOTE]
Long before the internet and paypal came along, I and other collectors OCONUS were buying knives from the US. The method is called International MO. Its as good as cash.
I too prefer sellers to include paypal fees in their pricing. And Ill NEVER use the gift option. Just add the fees in the total price, and the market will decide if the price is right.
Its fortunate for me that the makers and custom knife dealers I deal with absorb the fees.
Long before the internet and paypal came along, I and other collectors OCONUS were buying knives from the US. The method is called International MO. Its as good as cash.
I too prefer sellers to include paypal fees in their pricing. And Ill NEVER use the gift option. Just add the fees in the total price, and the market will decide if the price is right.
Its fortunate for me that the makers and custom knife dealers I deal with absorb the fees.
How about, perish the thought, even including your cost of shipping - $100 shipped in USA, outside USA pays shipping - standard fare for me.
I know it will take $5-6 to ship via priority mail, another $3 for the fee and I get $90.
If I want more, charge more.
Sounds better to me than $90 plus fees, add $5.95 for shipping.
I note a lot of folks doing this and it's about the best way I find to make my life simpler - do the math on the front side once.
People need to get over themselves. If they can't do a little simple math on either side of the transaction, they've bigger concerns than PayPal. Someone with basic math skills should be able to run the numbers in his/her head and be pretty close. I now include all overhead in the asking price. I found that it was too much to ask some folks to add in shipping, let alone 3.5%.
ETA: Oh, and I now tack on 5.56%.
Since it's hidden, the buyers never know it. 
ETA: Oh, and I now tack on 5.56%.
Since it's hidden, the buyers never know it.
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bacustomknives
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I never charge extra fee on anything ,And i accept paypal and c/c, In the makers forum i dont see many makers charge either,But there are some, i mean really what the hell is a few bucks? Its not gonna make ya or break ya, Just a good "BUSSINESS PRACTICE" if ya ask me!
Bill
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Understood from a maker perspective, but I'm not in the knife business. I'm a hobbyist who can lose $15 to $20 on a Busse or similarly priced knife. That's more than "just a few bucks."
ETA: Oh, and I now tack on 5.56%.
That's absurd!I love it when sellers only accept Paypal and then they charge a fee. Or they use Paypal as a selling point. "I will pay all Paypal fees!" Really? You're going to pay your own fees? Thanks.
Buyers should just avoid these types all together, and stay away from the personal tab, unless you know the person "personally".
My issue with PayPal has never been about the fees. It's a service they offer and they have a right to be paid for providing it. My issue has always been how easy it is for an unscrupulous buyer to make a false claim of "item significantly not as described" and screw the seller.
Google 'paypal snad' and read all the horror stories of sellers having their payments reversed and receiving a box of sand as their returned item.
I'll buy with PayPal, but I won't sell with it, even though I know that not taking PP has cost me some sales. The way I look at is that I don't HAVE to sell knives on BladeForums, so any risk of being ripped off is one I can avoid. And I look at the gift tab the way I look at people who have bolts pierced through their nose: an excellent indicator of not thinking things through all the way.
Google 'paypal snad' and read all the horror stories of sellers having their payments reversed and receiving a box of sand as their returned item.
I'll buy with PayPal, but I won't sell with it, even though I know that not taking PP has cost me some sales. The way I look at is that I don't HAVE to sell knives on BladeForums, so any risk of being ripped off is one I can avoid. And I look at the gift tab the way I look at people who have bolts pierced through their nose: an excellent indicator of not thinking things through all the way.
dericdesmond
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HAHAHA, awesome :thumbup:
PS. Im not perfect and personally could care less what other members choose to do in regards to the paypal wording. I have a set price in mind, if asking price + fees put on me exceed that set price, than move along. It would be nice though if the forum could reach a universal standard so we dont have to see threads like this every other day. Creates silly tension imo.
QFT
Adding the 2.99348% in paypal fees to the price is a bit offputting. That extra $15 on a higher end knife is enough to make someone want to negotiate down to a lower price. If I take PP personal and don't follow through on my end, I lose credibility, which is more important to me as a hobbyist.
Sure is a weird way to look at it. You bought something and the seller sold something isn't this a transaction.
At the end of the day I guess everything can be interpreted in many different ways.
aj
p.s I always though the personal tab was for sending money to friends and family when they are in need or maybe a birthday or something.
You guys can't honestly take the moral high road with paypal of all things. Let's face it paypal is raking in the cash and there hardly a company that cares about there customers.
They charge fees per transactions and then they collect interest on all your money that sits in your account; all while not having to be FDIC insured like a bank would have to be.
If banks could figure out a legal model to charge 4% per transaction and get away with it they would be in paypal heaven. At some point paypal and ebay are going to have to cough up the cash when some one spins a monopoly suit. Followed by the DOJ forcing them into regulation and further class action suits by the masses. It may be in 5-10 years but it's coming.
Paypal is not your honest corner store business. Last time I sold something on ebay they took fees for the auction and then for paypal. No it's not wrong but what a racket. Everyone uses it because its easy. Who wants to go back to sending money orders in our world of immediate gratification. Paypal played on it and won big but there shady at best the way they conduct business.
Especially some of these stories where there holding peoples funds and requiring them to fax in copies of there distributors list and where there supplers are etc. All while earning interest for 180 days before releasing these poor ebay sellers funds and wreaking there small biz they opened just for some extra cash to make ends meet.
I use them and I also eat the fees on sales but I don't mistake them for anything other than they are... A internet sharking service where they take the juice up front. And if your really lucky you can use paypal and another large "spank the public" company and finance your paypal transaction and fees at 22+%.
So all in all yes it works for buyers but sellers not so much. Find me some sellers that claim they love paypal and haven't been bitten when selling large volumes of items on ebay at least once.
They charge fees per transactions and then they collect interest on all your money that sits in your account; all while not having to be FDIC insured like a bank would have to be.
If banks could figure out a legal model to charge 4% per transaction and get away with it they would be in paypal heaven. At some point paypal and ebay are going to have to cough up the cash when some one spins a monopoly suit. Followed by the DOJ forcing them into regulation and further class action suits by the masses. It may be in 5-10 years but it's coming.
Paypal is not your honest corner store business. Last time I sold something on ebay they took fees for the auction and then for paypal. No it's not wrong but what a racket. Everyone uses it because its easy. Who wants to go back to sending money orders in our world of immediate gratification. Paypal played on it and won big but there shady at best the way they conduct business.
Especially some of these stories where there holding peoples funds and requiring them to fax in copies of there distributors list and where there supplers are etc. All while earning interest for 180 days before releasing these poor ebay sellers funds and wreaking there small biz they opened just for some extra cash to make ends meet.
I use them and I also eat the fees on sales but I don't mistake them for anything other than they are... A internet sharking service where they take the juice up front. And if your really lucky you can use paypal and another large "spank the public" company and finance your paypal transaction and fees at 22+%.
So all in all yes it works for buyers but sellers not so much. Find me some sellers that claim they love paypal and haven't been bitten when selling large volumes of items on ebay at least once.