Paypal friends and family and does paypal cover knives if lost or scammed

Call and text?? THAT’S your big secret?? People can set up burner numbers for free on smartphones these days. You aren’t doing anything that helps reduce risk, and a lot of people aren’t going to give you the time of day to talk on the phone for a knife transaction.

Short of meeting a person in-person (which is a robbery risk), your tactics do nothing.
Ok. By your logic, I should have been scammed time and time again.

Hey, let’s ask all the members who were recently scammed if they at a minimum sent a text? Or asked for a #? Or ANYTHING aside form just sending payment on something that was probbakt
Too good to true in the first place?
But ya, texting or calling does nothing..

Ill be standing by to see what those members did to protect themselves.
 
Ok. By your logic, I should have been scammed time and time again.

Hey, let’s ask all the members who were recently scammed if they at a minimum sent a text? Or asked for a #? Or ANYTHING aside form just sending payment on something that was probbakt
Too good to true in the first place?
But ya, texting or calling does nothing..

Ill be standing by to see what those members did to protect themselves.
So your argument is, the bigger pain in the ass you are to sell a knife to, the less likely a scammer targets you? Sound logic right there. Maybe I’ll start demanding people take a selfie with the knife and the current day’s newspaper next to their face. I’m sure that’ll help.
 
So your argument is, the bigger pain in the ass you are to sell a knife to, the less likely a scammer targets you? Sound logic right there. Maybe I’ll start demanding people take a selfie with the knife and the current day’s newspaper next to their face. I’m sure that’ll help.
Aside from the face picture, many forums already do this stuff. Frankly, it’s not that much work to provide a little assurance.
 
We get it, you've done 6 figures worth of transactions (somewhere, maybe, unlikely) and have developed a system where you never get scammed. We understand. Move along please.

The rest of us are trying to figure this mess out.

Criminy, let's not let this guy take us to far off in the weeds. Lol
 
We get it, you've done 6 figures worth of transactions (somewhere, maybe, unlikely) and have developed a system where you never get scammed. We understand. Move along please.

The rest of us are trying to figure this mess out.

Criminy, let's not let this guy take us to far off in the weeds. Lol
Funny, I was never trying to derail anything.
 
If I’m not mistaken, just a few days ago a few, or a bunch of you guys were of the mindset that G/S was completely safe. Scam-proof. As a matter of fact, someone even asked if anyone had ever been scammed using G/S. And now here is proof of a scam that just happened. So, so what? Are you just in denial?

And, I’m pretty damn sure we have not come to the conclusion that PP will cover your knife. And If they won’t, then guess what? You’re SOL. Maybe they will. Maybe they won’t. So unless I missed the part where someone contacted PP and has some type of guarantee, then I’m not sure why you’ve come to that conclusion.

I find this comical in a way. Some of You guys put way too much trust in a few letters… f/f, g/s.. Someone above said something along the lines “I’ll stop reading as soon as I see f/f”. Another guy said he’ll never send f/f as he isn’t giving a gift.. like ok? I sent someone f/f last night and guess what. I didn’t get scammed.

I’ve had more than 100k in sales and purchases over the last year(not profit, but that isn’t the point) and I’ve never once been scammed. It really isn’t that hard. Maybe I’m just immune 🤔
Wait, so your logic is that if the MORE secure method can sometimes fail, then we should use the LESS secure method instead?! G&S may only be a prophylactic, but I'll sure as heck take it over your rhythm method nonsense.
 
We get it, you've done 6 figures worth of transactions (somewhere, maybe, unlikely) and have developed a system where you never get scammed. We understand. Move along please.

The rest of us are trying to figure this mess out.

Criminy, let's not let this guy take us to far off in the weeds. Lol
It's unfortunate that the "system" is not a friend to many online transactions.

The USPS doesn't honor many insurance claims despite gladly taking the money for said insurance...

...and...

PayPal is failing to keep the playing field level for honest purchasers and sellers, while potential 1099 issues will be a nightmare for many who will have to find or obtain receipts for past purchases.

Proceed with caution.
 
Funny, I was never trying to derail anything.
Sooo you think rolling up in here and bragging about 100k a year in scam-free transactions HELPS with the topic?

What comes next?
“If you just sign up for my 8 week program, you can be SCAM FREE, too!”

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Funny, I was never trying to derail anything.
Fair enough, friends and family despite the frequency it's used on the exchange is frowned upon here. Many many many scams have taken place that members whose been around awhile have witnessed. Friends and family is a common denominator.

Like I said, I'm unaware of a single person not made whole by PayPal after not receiving the knife they paid for when g&s was used.
 
It's unfortunate that the "system" is not a friend to many online transactions.

The USPS doesn't honor many insurance claims despite gladly taking the money for said insurance...

...and...

PayPal is failing to keep the playing field level for honest purchasers and sellers, while potential 1099 issues will be a nightmare for many who will have to find or obtain receipts for past purchases.

Proceed with caution.
I agree. In years past it was a no Brainer to use goods and services, the small fee was always worth the protection. I've read a few horror stories on recouping funds via usps insurance and proving value and what was actually in the box as well.

No easy solution from where I'm sitting. Seems the safest dealing with people whose been around long term. But new guys need to buy and sell too. I don't have the answers.
 
Sooo you think rolling up in here and bragging about 100k a year in scam-free transactions HELPS with the topic?

What comes next?
“If you just sign up for my 8 week program, you can be SCAM FREE, too!”

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Nope, and it wasn’t a brag. I even said as much. I think I’ve bought around 3k worth of knives in this forum in the past month or so, and I’ve sold about the same. No profit involved, just a lot of activity. I have a hard time passing on a deal but more often than not I end up selling as I probably shouldn’t have bought it. That was all I was getting at. I do it a lot and I’ve been fine. I get it, it’s luck, or whatever, and my experience counts for nothing as nobody knows me.

You can rail on me all you want, but now it’s just getting kinda weird and personal and way off track.
 
I agree. In years past it was a no Brainerd to use goods and services, the small fee was always worth the protection. I've read a few horror stories on recouping funds via usps insurance and proving value and what was actually in the box as well.

No easy solution from where I'm sitting. Seems the safest dealing with people whose been around long term. But new guys need to buy and sell too. I don't have the answers.
I knew someone in college from Brainerd, MN.

😁
 
I agree. In years past it was a no Brainer to use goods and services, the small fee was always worth the protection. I've read a few horror stories on recouping funds via usps insurance and proving value and what was actually in the box as well.

No easy solution from where I'm sitting. Seems the safest dealing with people whose been around long term. But new guys need to buy and sell too. I don't have the answers.
Yeah...I generally only sell to those I know and trust from their reps here...or require the funds up front. (And only buy from similarly vetted individuals.)

And if the USPS or carrier loses the package and doesn't honor the insurance, honor requires that I make the purchaser whole, regardless.

Nothing is without risk.
 
Yeah...I generally only sell to those I know and trust from their reps here...or require the funds up front. (And only buy from similarly vetted individuals.)

And if the USPS or carrier loses the package and doesn't honor the insurance, honor requires that I make the purchaser whole, regardless.

Nothing is without risk.
I tend to agree. If I sold you a knife and you tell me it didn't show up I'd refund you and take the loss. If I'm unsure of someone I'll often send a message to a friend here who has been around awhile and inquire about the person in question.

I'll typically avoid new unvetted people all together. Which sucks because I've passed up on knives I wanted, out of an abundance of caution.
 
This is a cut and paste of my very first transaction on this forum.. not going to say who seller was but he’s very active and has at least 200 feedback:


Sean,

It is yours, can you send USPS Money Order? I only ask because you have no feedback here and are a brand new member. It's not that I'm saying you're a scammer, I just don't trust Paypal that much just in case... you never know.”

So that’s me, as a buyer, about to pay g/s, and this seller has reservations.. whether it’s warranted or not, people have PP trust issues and I’m definitely not the only one.

Long story short, I jumped through a few hoops, proved I’m not brand new to the internet (just this forum) and he ended up taking the g/s payment.
I tend to agree. If I sold you a knife and you tell me it didn't show up I'd refund you and take the loss. If I'm unsure of someone I'll often send a message to a friend here who has been around awhile and inquire about the person in question.

I'll typically avoid new unvetted people all together. Which sucks because I've passed up on knives I wanted, out of an abundance of caution.
and yet the other guy was making fun of me because I might ask for a number and a quick text/phone call. Is it that bad/annoying to take the extra step? Everyone has trust issues, and rightfully so, but it’s weird to maybe do something that could alleviate some of that concern?
 
This is a cut and paste of my very first transaction on this forum.. not going to say who seller was but he’s very active and has at least 200 feedback:


Sean,

It is yours, can you send USPS Money Order? I only ask because you have no feedback here and are a brand new member. It's not that I'm saying you're a scammer, I just don't trust Paypal that much just in case... you never know.”

So that’s me, as a buyer, about to pay g/s, and this seller has reservations.. whether it’s warranted or not, people have PP trust issues and I’m definitely not the only one.

Long story short, I jumped through a few hoops, proved I’m not brand new to the internet (just this forum) and he ended up taking the g/s payment.

and yet the other guy was making fun of me because I might ask for a number and a quick text/phone call. Is it that bad/annoying to take the extra step? Everyone has trust issues, and rightfully so, but it’s weird to maybe do something that could alleviate some of that concern?
I was “making fun” of the false sense of security you think a text message or phone call provides. Telemarketers and scammers call people all the time. Does that make their gig any more legit?
 
This is a cut and paste of my very first transaction on this forum.. not going to say who seller was but he’s very active and has at least 200 feedback:


Sean,

It is yours, can you send USPS Money Order? I only ask because you have no feedback here and are a brand new member. It's not that I'm saying you're a scammer, I just don't trust Paypal that much just in case... you never know.”

So that’s me, as a buyer, about to pay g/s, and this seller has reservations.. whether it’s warranted or not, people have PP trust issues and I’m definitely not the only one.

Long story short, I jumped through a few hoops, proved I’m not brand new to the internet (just this forum) and he ended up taking the g/s payment.

and yet the other guy was making fun of me because I might ask for a number and a quick text/phone call. Is it that bad/annoying to take the extra step? Everyone has trust issues, and rightfully so, but it’s weird to maybe do something that could alleviate some of that concern?
That seller requesting MO is perfectly fine to me, in almost every case, a member with hundreds of transactions and many many years here will go out of their way to make a bad situation right. Having witnessed many fiascos over the years it's understandable to be leary.

People have had PayPal charge backs happen here, rarely, much more rare than scammers sending empty boxes. But it does happen.

The issue for me is, you don't trust PayPal but you'll blindly send money as a gift... that doesn't add up to me.

I personally don't have an issue with you requesting a phone number either, hell some guys put their number right in the ad.

The issue of PayPal an taxes and potentially not covering knives is a new one that we're now addressing. As I said before I'm unaware of any person on this forum in my time here who paid g&s for a knife who wasn't made whole by PayPal. That counts for something, right?
 
That seller requesting MO is perfectly fine to me, in almost every case, a member with hundreds of transactions and many many years here will go out of their way to make a bad situation right. Having witnessed many fiascos over the years it's understandable to be leary.

People have had PayPal charge backs happen here, rarely, much more rare than scammers sending empty boxes. But it does happen.

The issue for me is, you don't trust PayPal but you'll blindly send money as a gift... that doesn't add up to me.

I personally don't have an issue with you requesting a phone number either, hell some guys put their number right in the ad.

The issue of PayPal an taxes and potentially not covering knives is a new one that we're now addressing. As I said before I'm unaware of any person on this forum in my time here who paid g&s for a knife who wasn't made whole by PayPal. That counts for something, right?
Yes, that counts for something. Maybe trust isn’t the right wrong, more like skeptical that they’ll provide protection. This is based off stories I’ve heard from other people on other forums.
I just don’t always feel PP has our best interest.

And regarding sending a payment blindly, I guess I’ll agree to disagree. If I call you, and your pictures seem “good”, and it all seems good, then I feel confident. I 100% admit it’s not fail safe, but so far, so good. Oh, and I always google the phone number. I’d say more often than not, you’ll find something that matches with who they say are.
 
Yes, that counts for something. Maybe trust isn’t the right wrong, more like skeptical that they’ll provide protection. This is based off stories I’ve heard from other people. I do personally know one guy who had his account locked and funds held for 180 days for “breaking” their TOS, but in reality, what he sold wasn’t against there terms. This is a whole separate issue and I’m not trying to open this can of worms..
I just don’t always feel PP has our best interest.

And regarding sending a payment blindly, I guess I’ll agree to disagree. If I call you, and your pictures seem “good”, and it all seems good, then I feel confident. I 100% admit it’s not fail safe, but so far, so good. Oh, and I always google the phone number. I’d say more often than not, you’ll find something that matches with who they say are.
Why stop at Googling the phone #? Why not pay for a background check?
 
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