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PayPal friends and family

Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Salo, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. madcap_magician

    madcap_magician Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    I think it was a Night Sky Sebenza 21 advertised as being made from D2. It was an obvious fake, and I'm not a CRK person at all. Not sure if the guy posted asking about it after he bought it. It just grinds my gears that Facebookstagram is so full of people with so much money and basically zero ethics, knowledge, or common sense. Lots of them falling for dumb scams that are so obviously scams that it's impossible to believe anyone would actually bite. Like... really? Did you really think that generic Chinese e-commerce site that is also selling "Rolexes" and "Kate Spade bags" has actual Sebenzas for $129.99?

    Another thing that has happened a couple times is people saying "Hey I just found this knife! What a lucky score! You can have it for $XX to your door!"

    That happened enough that I started commenting that if anyone lost a knife, the best way to find it would be to jump on the Facebook Knife Sales and Trade page and look for the jerk who found it and is now trying to simultaneously identify it (because he knows nothing about knives) and flip it (because he has zero ethics).
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  2. on_the_edge

    on_the_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    People hear, see, think, and feel what they want to, often times regardless of what everything around them is screaming. And if they ultimately fall victim to a scam? Well, frankly, I think that it is becoming en vogue these days to be a victim, for some folks anyway. All IMHO of course. :D
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2019
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  3. CataD

    CataD Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 2, 2013
    So, you're saying, that because he's just scamming PayPal out of their fees and not scamming another person, he's not a scammer? We clearly have different definitions of what a thief/scammer is...
  4. madcap_magician

    madcap_magician Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    As far as I can tell, if you are not a "Friend" or a "Family" member, then by golly, maybe I shouldn't use the "Friends and Family" option to send you money!
  5. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig

    Feb 29, 2008
    We agree on theft, not on scammer. IMO to be a scammer there is a set up-the scam. Theft is simply theft. I don't think this seller is setting the buyer up for a theft. He is stealing from PP(if he uses F&F for a sale), by not paying them the appropriate fees for their services. I can't actually say that this seller has ever stolen anything from PP though. He proposed using F&F since it served(or thought it would serve) his needs in this case, but for all I know every transaction he has completed could have been G&S.
    A scammer is a thief. A thief is not necessarily a scammer
    Hold a little old lady up and you are a thief
    Trick her out of her life savings and you are a scammer
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  6. CataD

    CataD Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 2, 2013
    For some reason you insist that there's a difference. There is not:

    noun: scammer; plural noun: scammers
    1. a person who commits fraud or participates in a dishonest scheme.
      "scammers are preying on people's good intentions"
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  7. CataD

    CataD Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 2, 2013
    I'm not sure if we're in disagreement or not, LOL.. Just to clarify, I believe that F&F is to send $ to Friends and Family...
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  8. benchwarmer380

    benchwarmer380 Valyrian Member Platinum Member

    Sep 17, 2012
    The difference is semantical. A thief steals. A scammer uses a scheme to steal or defraud.

    If I run into a convenience store and jack all the money in the cash register when it's opened, I would be a thief and not a scammer.
    If I dressed as a money truck driver to fake a cash pick up and steal money from the safe/register by duping the employee, then I would be both a scammer and a thief.
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  9. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig

    Feb 29, 2008
    Scammer is just a sub sector of thief-I am not saying necessarily any better than any other thief, except the violent
  10. Insipid Moniker

    Insipid Moniker

    Feb 28, 2011
    And, honestly, even if you're buying something from a friend or family member you should still really use G&S. It STILL helps protect both of you. F&F is really just for sending gifts of money.
  11. CataD

    CataD Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 2, 2013
    .. yeah, semantics...

    pickpockets are not violent, they just steal the money from your pocket.. are they scammers or thieves?
  12. benchwarmer380

    benchwarmer380 Valyrian Member Platinum Member

    Sep 17, 2012
    A thief.

    If you have an accomplice putting on a street show and then you go around pickpocketing the spectators, scammer and a thief.
  13. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig

    Feb 29, 2008
    Much of theft is an annoyance. You can always make more money. I separated out violent because it can take that which you can't replace-your life or others lives.
  14. CataD

    CataD Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 2, 2013
    ^^ OK guys, let's agree to disagree. I think the 'seller' is stealing money from PayPal -so, he's a thief, and also is pretending to be sending/receiving money from friends and family through PayPal - so, he's a scammer.
  15. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig

    Feb 29, 2008
    He proposed to use F&F, but has he actually ever done it. Likely yes from his attitude, but this deal started as a G&S(I believe) and he asked for F&F, from this buyer, do to a trust issue. This deal never happened.
    I am hesitant to call anyone a thief without positive proof.
    But that doesn't mean I think the OP should do the deal, even without F&F
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2019
  16. Sonnydaze

    Sonnydaze Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 6, 2009
    Put on your sneakers and RUN FAST.
  17. CataD

    CataD Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 2, 2013
    Take a look at post #38 and you'll find your answer.. Better yet, quote: "I have no problem paying f&f myself."
  18. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig

    Feb 29, 2008
    I had remembered the post, but remembered the wording differently-that was what I was referencing as his attitude.
  19. Airborne 1

    Airborne 1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 23, 2014
    What a friend does is send the knife and trust me to send the money . If there is no trust then there is no friendship. If its just a "buyer" and a "seller " with no trust, they are not Friends, so its a sale (G&S)...simple.
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  20. r8shell

    r8shell Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 16, 2010
    I don't think it works that way.
    I can do business with friends, it's still a sale of good or services. I can give a gift to a stranger.
    Paypal should change the wording from "friends & family" to "gift". Folks might find that less confusing.

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