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Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Salo, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. WValtakis

    WValtakis Hand Engraving, Anodizing and Embellishment Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 29, 2004
    If I remember right, that's what it used to be and they changed it to F&F:confused:
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  2. Airborne 1

    Airborne 1

    Apr 23, 2014
    You are correct r8 ,calling it F&F is confusing ,gift would simplify things. For me to call someone my friend ,there must be trust ,both ways. (I'll leave family out of it ,thats a different story). I give away a whole lot more than I'll ever sell.
    From a straight business standpoint if goods are traded ,G&S is the proper way to do it.
  3. jlauffer

    jlauffer Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 11, 2016
    Pretty sure you're right
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  4. madcap_magician

    madcap_magician Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    Facebookstagram knife people would get scammed left and right twice as fast. "I sent him $1,200 by PayPal gift, and I never got the knife!"

    Well, why'd you send a gift to some random stranger?
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  5. JD Mandrell

    JD Mandrell Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 20, 2001
    It utterly amazes, the ways people can rationalize theft of service.
  6. sharp_edge

    sharp_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 30, 2015
    Not suggesting anyone should ask for PayPal F&F when selling (it is against the pp policy no doubt about it) but I am just curious about how people could pay through PayPal F&F with a credit card and then dispute the charge. What exactly would be disputed? Dispute you did not authorize the payment (while you clearly did)? Dispute you were tricked or forced by the other party to pay? Or dispute you have a change of mind? Regardless, that sounds like cheating the credit company, which in my book is just as bad as or even worse than sellers asking for PayPal F&F payment.
  7. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 29, 2008
    They claim they never made the purchase or their account was hacked, even when it was delivered to their address. The Credit card companies seem extremely soft on this. Credit card companies take the money from PP, and PP from the seller. It can still be done with G&S, but it seems PP will then cover your loss with their seller protection.
    It's a trick that likely can not be used more than once by the same person(or at least very infrequently), so they often take out many at one time, and it can be months after the deal, leaving sellers to have to come up with money to get their PP account back in balance. It's a nightmare even with G&S. Said by someone that has just read about it, not the pain of experiencing.
    There was a thread in the stickies, but I don't see it anymore
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2019
  8. Danke42


    Feb 10, 2015
    If it's gonna be a gift they can send me the knife first as a "gift". Then I"ll Secret Santa them something back. Something nice too!
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  9. sharp_edge

    sharp_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 30, 2015
    I believe if the amount is big (like > $1,000) some cc company may ask the card holder to provide a notarized affidavit of oath that he/she did not authorize the transaction, F&F or G&S, which clearly show it is wrong or even criminal to lie to cc companies. Otherwise, through PayPal or not, credit card holders can all "make" money in this way.;)
  10. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 29, 2008
    I should add-in order to get the PP G&S seller protection you do need to send the package to the address they have on file.

    It's not a scheme for the meek-you will surely be reported to every law enforcement agency possible. These sellers will not just go away.
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2019
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    TOMBSTONE Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 31, 1998
    There are different reasons that it can be disputed. Which is why I said it provides no extra protection the seller may be attempting to secure by insisting on F&F
  12. Smiler


    Sep 22, 2016
    This got way out of proportion...
    For g&s i wanted vouches.
    If not f&f.

    Im thomas7509 on Ig if anyone is intrested in what im collecting etc.

    Im not here to make enemies.

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  13. marcinek

    marcinek Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 9, 2007
    Sure. You're giving us your Ig where you make your deals so we can go see you have collected. :rolleyes:
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  14. Andy the Aussie

    Andy the Aussie Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 29, 2010
    ....... you seem to be missing the point. Most here see the use of F&F as dishonest and "vouches" online (especially places like Insta and such) are generally are a bit like looking at porn, kinda like the real thing but not really. At least regulars on BF often participate outside of the buy/sell areas and one can have some "measure of the man" (sorry ladies just using the quote ;) ) and use that as a basis. Unless you are sending a gift of $s (ie not a commercial transaction) to someone the it should be G&S, what you and in fairness many others are missing is that they are not actually optional payment methods for commercial deals. One of for buying and selling one is simply for transferring $s to someone you know, it is wh the "buyer" support is not in place for F&F. What you are asking the buyer to do is send you a gift and he then hopes (as that is also the only protection he has) to get his purchase. Yes PayPal charges for their services, Visa etc also charge vendors a % for the option of using their payment facilitation as well.
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2019
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  15. Salo


    Jun 8, 2013
    I can’t believe this guy. Basically everyone here is saying... “no, don’t do that” and he says “come check out what I have for sale!” I really hope no one here gives him business
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  16. HappyDaddy

    HappyDaddy Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 21, 2013
    You're not making "enemies." You're ensuring that no one with any sense or integrity has anything to do with you or your knives. The concept is simple: Using PayPal Friends & Family for the sale or purchase of goods is stealing PayPal's services. You're either a thief or not a thief. You've made it clear that you are happy to be a thief. Personally, I wish you'd just go away and never log in to BFC again (but you aren't my "enemy").
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  17. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    I love it when folks you wouldn't want to deal with point themselves out.


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  18. Smiler


    Sep 22, 2016
    I pay f&f myself al the time... i get $2 fee for f&f regardless of amount.
    And not like 3-4% with g/s.

    I didnt even list the knife for sale.

    Sounds like many of you have been scamed or something, i havent yet.
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  19. Smiler


    Sep 22, 2016
    What haha... i think i have one knife for sale

    If you know everyone here you just could say you have someone to vouch for you and it wouldnt been a problem with g&s.
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  20. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    No. We believe in truth and honesty. You don't. Go back to instascam. You've done enough damage here.

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