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Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Salo, Aug 11, 2019.
If I remember right, that's what it used to be and they changed it to F&F
You are correct r8 ,calling it F&F is confusing ,gift would simplify things. For me to call someone my friend ,there must be trust ,both ways. (I'll leave family out of it ,thats a different story). I give away a whole lot more than I'll ever sell.
From a straight business standpoint if goods are traded ,G&S is the proper way to do it.
Pretty sure you're right
Facebookstagram knife people would get scammed left and right twice as fast. "I sent him $1,200 by PayPal gift, and I never got the knife!"
Well, why'd you send a gift to some random stranger?
It utterly amazes, the ways people can rationalize theft of service.
Not suggesting anyone should ask for PayPal F&F when selling (it is against the pp policy no doubt about it) but I am just curious about how people could pay through PayPal F&F with a credit card and then dispute the charge. What exactly would be disputed? Dispute you did not authorize the payment (while you clearly did)? Dispute you were tricked or forced by the other party to pay? Or dispute you have a change of mind? Regardless, that sounds like cheating the credit company, which in my book is just as bad as or even worse than sellers asking for PayPal F&F payment.
They claim they never made the purchase or their account was hacked, even when it was delivered to their address. The Credit card companies seem extremely soft on this. Credit card companies take the money from PP, and PP from the seller. It can still be done with G&S, but it seems PP will then cover your loss with their seller protection.
It's a trick that likely can not be used more than once by the same person(or at least very infrequently), so they often take out many at one time, and it can be months after the deal, leaving sellers to have to come up with money to get their PP account back in balance. It's a nightmare even with G&S. Said by someone that has just read about it, not the pain of experiencing.
There was a thread in the stickies, but I don't see it anymore
If it's gonna be a gift they can send me the knife first as a "gift". Then I"ll Secret Santa them something back. Something nice too!
I believe if the amount is big (like > $1,000) some cc company may ask the card holder to provide a notarized affidavit of oath that he/she did not authorize the transaction, F&F or G&S, which clearly show it is wrong or even criminal to lie to cc companies. Otherwise, through PayPal or not, credit card holders can all "make" money in this way.
I should add-in order to get the PP G&S seller protection you do need to send the package to the address they have on file.
It's not a scheme for the meek-you will surely be reported to every law enforcement agency possible. These sellers will not just go away.
There are different reasons that it can be disputed. Which is why I said it provides no extra protection the seller may be attempting to secure by insisting on F&F
This got way out of proportion...
For g&s i wanted vouches.
If not f&f.
Im thomas7509 on Ig if anyone is intrested in what im collecting etc.
Im not here to make enemies.
Sure. You're giving us your Ig where you make your deals so we can go see you have collected.
....... you seem to be missing the point. Most here see the use of F&F as dishonest and "vouches" online (especially places like Insta and such) are generally are a bit like looking at porn, kinda like the real thing but not really. At least regulars on BF often participate outside of the buy/sell areas and one can have some "measure of the man" (sorry ladies just using the quote ) and use that as a basis. Unless you are sending a gift of $s (ie not a commercial transaction) to someone the it should be G&S, what you and in fairness many others are missing is that they are not actually optional payment methods for commercial deals. One of for buying and selling one is simply for transferring $s to someone you know, it is wh the "buyer" support is not in place for F&F. What you are asking the buyer to do is send you a gift and he then hopes (as that is also the only protection he has) to get his purchase. Yes PayPal charges for their services, Visa etc also charge vendors a % for the option of using their payment facilitation as well.
I can’t believe this guy. Basically everyone here is saying... “no, don’t do that” and he says “come check out what I have for sale!” I really hope no one here gives him business
You're not making "enemies." You're ensuring that no one with any sense or integrity has anything to do with you or your knives. The concept is simple: Using PayPal Friends & Family for the sale or purchase of goods is stealing PayPal's services. You're either a thief or not a thief. You've made it clear that you are happy to be a thief. Personally, I wish you'd just go away and never log in to BFC again (but you aren't my "enemy").
I love it when folks you wouldn't want to deal with point themselves out.
I pay f&f myself al the time... i get $2 fee for f&f regardless of amount.
And not like 3-4% with g/s.
I didnt even list the knife for sale.
Sounds like many of you have been scamed or something, i havent yet.
What haha... i think i have one knife for sale
If you know everyone here you just could say you have someone to vouch for you and it wouldnt been a problem with g&s.
No. We believe in truth and honesty. You don't. Go back to instascam. You've done enough damage here.