Bad Pazazuzu, aka Miguel Castro Jr, do not deal with, forced to seek refund viaPayPal for intent. scam

Foghorn Leghorn Fan said:
I think many here appreciate your trying to work out a refund plan, but based on the sellers actions the only way to make certain you get all you money back is with a paypal claim. I wouldn't worry to much about creating a hardship for him as he had NO PROBLEM dumping a possible clone on you.
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I agree with you 100%, i know that honest mistakes can be made and opportunity to correct them is appreciated. But when the response is basically an "oh well too bad" in your face thats just unacceptable. I'm hoping PayPal is reasonable and just on this. At this point I'm pretty sure that's the route to go through. Thanks for the support and direction!
 
Boru13 said:
Mikey13folsom Mikey13folsom

I'm far from a PayPal expert, but I would suggest that you follow the advice of craytab craytab , @gonebad395, @JJ_Colt45 and others, file your claim with PayPal and be done with it.

I have little patience and zero tolerance for BS in the Exchange, I'll take care of the rest tomorrow.
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Sounds good to me, I will follow advice and start the process. Thank you for being fair and for your help and guidance! I was pretty bummed about this situation, but I'm grateful for fellow members of the community to help point me in the right direction!
 
NCCNC said:
Do not send it to ZT. PayPal WILL side with you if you call and calmly and politely explain the situation. Especially your worries about him not accepting the return. I had the exact same thing happen to me and the seller acted almost identically. If he refuses to follow PayPal rules and accept the return, they will lock his account down, take the money from his bank account and tell you to keep the knife. He will then be barred from PayPal. That is exactly what happened in my situation. Do not send it to ZT.......and stick it to this seller....HARD. What a tool.
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Thank you for sharing your experience! Sucks it happened to you, but I appreciate your knowledge on it. I'm definitely going to do that tomorrow, and put together whatever I need to have that ready to file tomorrow. I'm definitely not sending this into ZT, I have a feeling that may have done away with any claim period!
 
craytab said:
He clearly does not understand how these things work. Can you provide evidence that he said he thought it was a fake? Knowing this will help fellow members decide if he is worthy of doing business with in the future.
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Fortunately, we have this thing called an "IGNORE" option...if we choose not to deal with questionable ethics...
 
Coyja said:
Seller is saying he purchased this knife here from another member and here is the thread.
mactheknife801 was the seller to him, so maybe get the story from him, as well?
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This is reasonable, and seller did state he had prior questions concerning the item, and wasn't completely sold on authenticity or that it was counterfeit himself.
 
pazazuzu said:
Yes, I saw this post. He is welcome to file any claim until after he gets confirmation that it is fake. I purchased this off a fellow member on this forum, as I told him. Had the knife for awhile and then re-sold it here. In addition to selling a few others and buying quite a bit more than I have sold. I let him know that it was sold to me as an authentic and I sold it as I bought it. It was his discretion to investigate it further. I only said as much as pretty much anyone on these forums can.
His insistence and constant emails is what started to bother me as he was suggesting that I knew about it. Which I didn't, otherwise I would have just attempted to sell it on eBay, which could have easily been done. And as I mentioned, I buy on here more than I sell, as you can see from my positive transactions; including trading with other members. You are welcome to think what you want. It is your prerogative as a an individual. And he is also welcome to file a claim. But next time; hopefully this individual first gets definite proof by sending the knife to the manufacturer before he starts throwing out stupid claims.
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None of this matters. A deal is not complete until the Buyer is content (within reason).

He has reason to believe that it is a fraudulent item, and wants a return. The documentation that he received from ZT would alone be enough to warrant a refund, if his asking for one wasn't.

You are in the wrong here. According to the rules that you agreed to follow, you owe him a return.
Deal with it or don't deal on this exchange without many folks being VERY WEARY of dealing with you.

Honesty begets honesty.
 
Sonnydaze said:
Fortunately, we have this thing called an "IGNORE" option...if we choose not to deal with questionable ethics...
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Once I caught a whiff of those types of ethics, I decided that refund or not, this thread was necessary. I would never pawn off a clone on an unsuspecting individual, I wouldn't even sell one. If I made a mistake and was involved with a counterfeit, I would make it right. And I didn't know there were ignore buttons BTW!
 
gonebad395 said:
Op DO NOT SEND THIS TO ZT! They will not send a fake back to you and as craytab said you’ll be out start a claim against the seller and go from there. You don’t have to pay for his misfortune which it seems he wants to you to do
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If he could have some form of documentation supplied from ZT stating that it was a counterfeit, and show the text from the seller stating that he thought it may be one prior to selling it, would that help or hurt his case?

Would the documentation from ZT override the return of a counterfeit item?
At least then PayPal would have some information from a company instead of a he said/she said type of arguement to sift through.
 
NJBillK said:
None of this matters. A deal is not complete until the Buyer is content (within reason).

He has reason to believe that it is a fraudulent item, and wants a return. The documentation that he received from ZT would alone be enough to warrant a refund, if his asking for one wasn't.

You are in the wrong here. According to the rules that you agreed to follow, you owe him a return.
Deal with it or don't deal on this exchange without many folks being VERY WEARY of dealing with you.

Honesty begets honesty.
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Thank you for stating it better than I have, all I ask is for a refund. I have provided this evidence and was told oh well. Honesty and integrity are paramount on these forums, and I just ask for a little of both. If he didn't know it was 100% real or fake, we all make mistakes, a simple refund can remedy this, but I'm afraid the seller has shown that he will not do so, and PayPal must get involved. I appreciate you weighing in on this!
 
NJBillK said:
If he could have some form of documentation supplied from ZT stating that it was a counterfeit, and show the text from the seller stating that he thought it may be one prior to selling it, would that help or hurt his case?

Would the documentation from ZT override the return of a counterfeit item?
At least then PayPal would have some information from a company instead of a he said/she said type of arguement to sift through.
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My concern with that is I have heard from numerous individuals that ZT does not return counterfeit items, they destroy them. So even if I have it from someone there who said they will return the item to me, prior experiences with fellow collectors show otherwise. And with PayPal they may require the item even if it is fake. I am hesitant to send it in, and then its destroyed, and I have nothing for a PayPal claim.
 
Mikey13folsom said:
Thank you for stating it better than I have, all I ask is for a refund. I have provided this evidence and was told oh well. Honesty and integrity are paramount on these forums, and I just ask for a little of both. If he didn't know it was 100% real or fake, we all make mistakes, a simple refund can remedy this, but I'm afraid the seller has shown that he will not do so, and PayPal must get involved. I appreciate you weighing in on this!
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No problem.
No offense intended, but I am thankful that I can learn from someone else's mistake.

I will not be dealing with the seller.
 
I think seller realized it was fake and pawned it off on you. He was probably screwed originally and instead of dealing with guy he got it from, he chose to try and pull a fast one over on you.

If he's banned you should post his name and address to save other members from dealing with him
 
Mikey13folsom said:
My concern with that is I have heard from numerous individuals that ZT does not return counterfeit items, they destroy them. So even if I have it from someone there who said they will return the item to me, prior experiences with fellow collectors show otherwise. And with PayPal they may require the item even if it is fake. I am hesitant to send it in, and then its destroyed, and I have nothing for a PayPal claim.
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I would call PayPal and ask them directly which has more pull, and which means more to them as an entity. Then have them email a transcript of th conversation to you. They might tell you that ZT themselves saying it is a fake is more powerful than your thinking it is, with pictures to corroborate.

Double check everything from here on out. It will only make your case stronger, and quicker to close.
 
I am curious as to whether anyone has notified mactheknife801 about this thread. I would very much appreciate his/her input. :confused: I would, but don't know how. :(
 
NJBillK said:
I would call PayPal and ask them directly which has more pull, and which means more to them as an entity. Then have them email a transcript of th conversation to you. They might tell you that ZT themselves saying it is a fake is more powerful than your thinking it is, with pictures to corroborate.

Double check everything from here on out. It will only make your case stronger, and quicker to close.
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That's a very good point and what I will do, it makes a lot of sense to do exactly that.
 
Mikey13folsom said:
My concern with that is I have heard from numerous individuals that ZT does not return counterfeit items, they destroy them. So even if I have it from someone there who said they will return the item to me, prior experiences with fellow collectors show otherwise. And with PayPal they may require the item even if it is fake. I am hesitant to send it in, and then its destroyed, and I have nothing for a PayPal claim.
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PayPal will require the item be returned. Seller knows this and in doing so he will get at least something for it when he tries to sell it on eBay or elsewhere. No character. It is a win win for him either way.
 
craytab said:
PayPal will require the item be returned. Seller knows this and in doing so he will get at least something for it when he tries to sell it on eBay or elsewhere. No character. It is a win win for him either way
Thats what I suspected, and that's a bad outcome too, because I know it may be used to burn somebody. I posted this on a ZT fan page and because of it, two other individuals told me they realized they purchased fakes. Smaller blades, no belly on the tanto, wave feature looks different, no milling on lock bar relief cut, all telling features.
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