People who blatantly and fraudulently sell knives as hand made when they are blanks..

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SidTheMuss said:
1st i'd like to point out how this post sums up this whole thread (not the initial issue but everything after). Too many people taking things out of context and getting overly defensive. I never said or implied that someone wealthy enough to buy a $600 dollar knife deserves to be misled because they won't know better, I said "If someone's gonna buy one of his knives then they obviously have a lot of disposable income and as long as they like how it looks who cares if it was hand forged or machined somewhere else." i've seen his work, have no idea what steel he is using, and i'm sure most of his clientele don't care either as long as they have a pretty/fancy looking knife to show off. Real Knife collectors tend to want a lot more info on the product they may be purchasing.

2nd wording or phrasing that his knives were made by himself from steel to finish (or however it was phrased) is by far not the basis of anyone's business plan. It was foolish and misleading on his part but again regardless of if it was removed or not, how is it affecting your life? I've looked at your knives and they look amazing, i doubt you're gonna loose business to this guy (or any other custom makers) My whole point of this was let's start worrying about ourselves and not so much about others. Peace
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:thumbdn: on your post. Indifference to the victimization of others is indicative of a lack of ethics or morals.
 
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Interesting that he 'retains' a lawyer from another state. There's about a 330 mile difference from the address his attorney gives, and the one that Mr. Williams provided.

I'm guessing Mr. Parker is a family friend or relative.
 
I'm amazed someone hasn't sued Blade Forum sooner. There is a lot of gossip and unsubstantiated accusations that I took the time to find out were false. Frankly childish, vicious and evil attacks against others. Grow up! Some of these guys need a serious time out or maybe a spanking. It's easy to be a dick and to find other dicks try and be a man a rise above this. This started with an accusation that Williams Knife Company bought a blank from Midwest Knife company simply because it looks like the same design. That turned out FALSE. In fact someone copied his design and made it a hidden tang he sells a full tang design. Where are the apologizes? Man up! or Shut up! As I investigated the accusers some had on their web site knives that came from Texas Knife Supply and Jantz. Hypocrisy isn't just for the Christians I guess. Have you nothing better to do than to be better at what you do?

Spark said:
I've received a letter from a lawyer allegedly representing Williams Knife Company.


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Overlooking the "Jeff Schlossberg" issue entirely, this letter brings up a number of interesting points. One, I was completely unaware of any blog postings on this site about the Williams Knife Company. If anyone is aware of them, maybe they could do me a favor and point them out.

Mr. Parker, Jr Esq is correct that Mr. Williams attempted to talk with me about postings on my site, however since neither can articulate which postings in particular they have issues with and which of "their latest comments are simply untrue and not protected speech" there is little I can do to address their concerns.

I'm also unaware of what rules I'm not abiding by, both Mr. Williams and Mr. Parker Jr Eq have neglected to highlight this for me. Perhaps they could educate all of us about this lapse on my part. I do take issue with Mr Parker's blatant mischaracterization of my position, specifically "While you may think you are exempt from any action related to what may be posted on your website" - this is not an opinion I have, nor is it one that I've ever stated or otherwise claimed.

Regardless, I thought I'd share this with you guys and welcome commentary on this letter and your opinions on this situation.
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If someone did use blanks and advertised them as hand-made, wouldn't you think the very last thing they would want is to do is have this come out as evidence in court? Just sayin'.
 
eks said:
I'm amazed someone hasn't sued Blade Forum sooner. There is a lot of gossip and unsubstantiated accusations that I took the time to find out were false. Frankly childish, vicious and evil attacks against others. Grow up! Some of these guys need a serious time out or maybe a spanking. It's easy to be a dick and to find other dicks try and be a man a rise above this. This started with an accusation that Williams Knife Company bought a blank from Midwest Knife company simply because it looks like the same design. That turned out FALSE. In fact someone copied his design and made it a hidden tang he sells a full tang design. Where are the apologizes? Man up! or Shut up! As I investigated the accusers some had on their web site knives that came from Texas Knife Supply and Jantz. Hypocrisy isn't just for the Christians I guess. Have you nothing better to do than to be better at what you do?
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I couldn't agree more...it's like a mass hysteria witch hunt at times
 
The matter could be settled in moments if Mr. Williams would provide proof that he made the blades he advertised as hand-made, and firmly stated that he did not use blanks. Then this matter would be put to rest, and people would go about their business. No worries.

It is strange that the language on Williams Knife website changed after this thread appeared. I hope people know and understand that a capture of the previous website exists, which could look very bad for them. Not a legal opinion.
 
Are there any experienced makers or knowledgeable collectors in the Charleston, SC area? He said his shop was open for a tour.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Looks like neither one did their homework. Sloppy terminology, ambiguous references. Might be a law school student or a brother-in-law with a few legal websites bookmarked.
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My thoughts exactly.

My bro-in-law is an attorney who is now a Sherriff candidate. He has shown me some of the paperwork that he and his lawyers have submitted to various powers to be in several court actions that he and his opponent have been butting heads over.

I was in the internet e-commerce business for 12 years and worked on a lot of websites for myself and others. I received cease and desist emails from some damn big companies but you could tell smaller operations - heck just Google it and they have cease and desist "templates' that you can download and Doctor up anyway you want. I know, I've used them with success on eBay sellers who sold products but used my images.

I have never seen such a "not written by an real lawyer" page in my life. :thumbdn:
 
Spark said:
I've received a letter from a lawyer allegedly representing Williams Knife Company.


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Overlooking the "Jeff Schlossberg" issue entirely, this letter brings up a number of interesting points. One, I was completely unaware of any blog postings on this site about the Williams Knife Company. If anyone is aware of them, maybe they could do me a favor and point them out.

Mr. Parker, Jr Esq is correct that Mr. Williams attempted to talk with me about postings on my site, however since neither can articulate which postings in particular they have issues with and which of "their latest comments are simply untrue and not protected speech" there is little I can do to address their concerns.

I'm also unaware of what rules I'm not abiding by, both Mr. Williams and Mr. Parker Jr Eq have neglected to highlight this for me. Perhaps they could educate all of us about this lapse on my part. I do take issue with Mr Parker's blatant mischaracterization of my position, specifically "While you may think you are exempt from any action related to what may be posted on your website" - this is not an opinion I have, nor is it one that I've ever stated or otherwise claimed.

Regardless, I thought I'd share this with you guys and welcome commentary on this letter and your opinions on this situation.
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It's not addressed to you, I wouldn't worry about it. ;)
 
Taocat said:
The matter could be settled in moments if Mr. Williams would provide proof that he made the blades he advertised as hand-made, and firmly stated that he did not use blanks. Then this matter would be put to rest, and people would go about their business. No worries.

It is strange that the language on Williams Knife website changed after this thread appeared. I hope people know and understand that a capture of the previous website exists, which could look very bad for them. Not a legal opinion.
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He admitted to me on the phone that some of his knives used kit blades but claimed that some are completely hand made, yet he did not and still does not denote the difference between the two. This leads me to believe that they are all kit blades.
 
eks said:
I'm amazed someone hasn't sued Blade Forum sooner. There is a lot of gossip and unsubstantiated accusations that I took the time to find out were false. Frankly childish, vicious and evil attacks against others. Grow up! Some of these guys need a serious time out or maybe a spanking. It's easy to be a dick and to find other dicks try and be a man a rise above this. This started with an accusation that Williams Knife Company bought a blank from Midwest Knife company simply because it looks like the same design. That turned out FALSE. In fact someone copied his design and made it a hidden tang he sells a full tang design. Where are the apologizes? Man up! or Shut up! As I investigated the accusers some had on their web site knives that came from Texas Knife Supply and Jantz. Hypocrisy isn't just for the Christians I guess. Have you nothing better to do than to be better at what you do?
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While I agree that portions of this thread are in fact unsubstantiated, much of the "unsubstantiation" comes from Mr. Williams himself, who has presently refused to answer some very basic and straightforward questions about what clearly appears to be a misrepresentation of the products that his company produces.

I'm not sure why there is such a disconnect here, or for that matter, what seems like a high tolerance for dishonesty.

As for the hypocrites with Texas Knife Maker / Jantz blanks posted on their sites: Are they advertising them as completely hand made too?

Once again: The issue is not about using blanks, contracting work out, producting mid techs, or anything of the sort.

The issue is plain and simple: DISHONESTY and MISREPRESENTATION
 
If the people who were attacking this thread would state why they feel the products on the Williams site in question were not misrepresented, or how it would be ethical to advertise a kit knife as a hand-made custom, their indignation might be better understood by the rest of us. Nothing of substance is ever brought forth to show how those questioning Mr. Williams methods are wrong.
 
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It seems that there are a lot of "knife makers" with a lot of free time on their hands, which is a story in and of itself...and I don't really have a dog in the fight but I do love knives. I was turned onto this thread from someone who knows him. I have watched this play out for a few days. So I thought I would make an observation, that's completely just my opinion, although some of the FACTS can be easily found on the Secretary of State's Office of Kentucky's website, Bladeforums.com and Onestopknifeshop.com:

It seems we have a little case of the pot calling the kettle black syndrome here. Answer me this, if ethics, morals, honesty, and integrity associated with a person's business practices is the core issue here, and chief complaint..then how is it possible that Kevin Schlossberg (Spark), owner of Twelve Bravo Marketing, LLC, operating as One Stop Knife Shop.com AND BladeForums.com, and has been "conducting business" clearly during the time period between 9/10/2011 and today...done so in an "Inactive" AND "Bad" status since September of 2011 in his home state of Kentucky AND no such change has been made to date, which would lead one to believe he hasn't changed anything in 2 years. One would think revenues must be being recognized internally from retail sales at the web store AND through "paid memberships" at the forum, but not so sure if and/or even how they could be and properly reported for taxation purposes for a company (Twelve Bravo Marketing, LLC) that hasn't even existed the last 2 years?

May just be a reporting error for the state of Kentucky that hasn't been corrected in 2 years, who knows? I know for me, I would be absolutely sure that I had all "my" business dealings in order before I questioned anyone else and "their" business practices. Often times the squeeky wheel gets the grease. And looking at section 3A. of the Subscriber and User Agreement of Bladeforums.com...my opinion is that it is operated equally as loosely as the parent company.

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Again, all of this is my opinion and there seems to be an overload of it already here on this board. But what do I know??
 
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Welcome to Williams Knife Co.'s storefront here on Etsy. Williams Knife Co. is the project/passion of Chris Williams located in Greenville, SC. Being an avid outdoorsman and appreciating the utility, quality and beauty of custom knives, I have always been fascinated how one could take steel and natural materials and make something that not only was useful, but also could be displayed proudly as a work of art. This led to my pursuit of learning the craft and countless hours of trial and error to get to the point where I am today.

While I am light years away from the master craftsmen renowned throughout the industry, I am very proud and confident that all of the knives that leave my shop will live up to the two standards I have set in place for them, functionality and eye-catching appearance. I make each one of my knives from blade to sheath and am constantly exploring new materials, patterns and techniques in hopes of improving my end product.

In addition to the knives you see listed in my storefront, I have others in various stages of the building process. I am always happy (actually thrilled) to try and accommodate special requests or even the complete customization of a knife for a customer, so please do not hesitate to email me with questions or ideas.

I keep most any type of wood, both domestic and exotic, in stock and I am constantly cutting and searching for "just that right piece" for my handle materials. I carry mother of pearl, abalone and many types of bone, antler and stag as well. All of my sheaths are made of 100% genuine leather, hand sewn and can be personalized upon request.

Thank you once again for visiting my tiny space in the vast spectrum of the web...I hope you will find a knife that may interest you and would value any feedback, requests, ideas etc.

And you can count on one thing, I am not satisfied if you are not satisfied...plain and simple. So my warranty/return policy is simply that, if you have a problem with a knife (under what would be considered normal use) or find that its not quite what you were looking for, I will exhaust all efforts to fix, repair, replace or refund...it's that simple!

Thanks again and I hope Williams Knife Co. can provide you with your next knife purchase!
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Still at it on here

I admire your stones Spark.........wait that doesn't sound right:o You know what I mean,I hope.
 
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