People who blatantly and fraudulently sell knives as hand made when they are blanks..

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Bastid said:
What the scammers, braggarts and scum never realize (and unfortunately some stubborn customers too) is that it does not take long at all for them to stick out like a sore thumb. After being in this community for over 30 years, that first statement is a fact.

The self bestowed "Master" title indicates exactly the side of the coin on which side this fellow resides as well as a few others that come to mind. The best makers and companies do not need hype or misrepresentation. They let the work speak for itself and present their methodology with plain honest words. If I could stress anything to folks starting out that will help their making, manufacturing or collecting, it would be the two proceeding sentences.
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I respectfully bow out of this controversy. Gus has been my good friend for a long time, but beyond that I value his opinions highly.

Paul
 
sheathmaker said:
I respectfully bow out of this controversy. Gus has been my good friend for a long time, but beyond that I value his opinions highly.

Paul
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Before you bow out, please be kind enough to share the research you did on Williams Knives (as a contribution to the Knife making/collecting community)
 
Foghorn Leghorn Fan said:
Before you bow out, please be kind enough to share the research you did on Williams Knives (as a contribution to the Knife making/collecting community)
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Show a little class, like put a cork in it. This is FEEDBACK. not Whine & Cheese. Poking a man who has made a serious number of contributions to this community is just insulting.
 
What a thread. What upsets me the most is that Mr. Williams made this so entertaining that I spent 2 hours out of my day reading this when I should of been doing something else. If he would of diffused this on the first page I would of got more things done. Instead he gets a lawyer involved, sends threatening emails to spark, I just had to see how it would play out. The comment about shooting blanks was funny too!!! Thanks everyone for making my Saturday so unfulfilling and entertaining!!
 
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I apologize to sheathmaker for my post.

I was unaware of what he has done for the knife community & here at bladeforums, and unfortunately made a uninformed and smart a##ed post, for which I am sorry.

Again my apologies to sheathmaker.

Jim
 
Foghorn Leghorn Fan said:
I apologize to sheathmaker for my post.

I was unaware of what he has done for the knife community & here at bladeforums, and unfortunately made a uninformed and smart a##ed post, for which I am sorry.

Again my apologies to sheathmaker.
Jim
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Way to man up ,admit your mistake,do what you can to make it right and make a sincere apology.:thumbup:
edit: I just wanted to make it clear that this post is sincere and not meant with any sarcasm.
 
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I think CW has gone more than the mile to correct any mistakes. This is more than a mea culpa. He made changes to the wording of his business marketing Should just leave him alone at this point and let market forces dictate demand as he is doing nothing wrong at this point. Course correction was made.
 
cchu518 said:
I think CW has gone more than the mile to correct any mistakes. This is more than a mea culpa. He made changes to the wording of his business marketing Should just leave him alone at this point and let market forces dictate demand as he is doing nothing wrong at this point. Course correction was made.
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I think that is an excellent stance to this point.

I do not necessarily agree with the extra mile portion. This community has an excellent track record of taking back with open arms those who make a mistake, ones who 100% own up to it with honesty and straightforwardness to make things right and go on in the spirit of honesty.

I am not too sure this situation is quite there yet and am willing to see.

Paul (sheathmaker) is a dear, dear friend. I will never be able to have anything but 100% respect for him. He obviously has some respect for Chris. I know him well enough to understand that Chris has earned Paul's respect and that there is a sound reason for that. I hope things work out for Chris, but he has some more steps to take.
 
cchu518 said:
I think CW has gone more than the mile to correct any mistakes. This is more than a mea culpa. He made changes to the wording of his business marketing Should just leave him alone at this point and let market forces dictate demand as he is doing nothing wrong at this point. Course correction was made.
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Not done.
IMO, there is still the issue of the threats to sue the owner of BladeForums. Not to mention creating multiple accounts to post in this thread.

Neither is going to be forgotten by this grumpy old moderator.
 
knarfeng said:
Not done.
IMO, there is still the issue of the threats to sue the owner of BladeForums. Not to mention creating multiple accounts to post in this thread.

Neither is going to be forgotten by this grumpy old moderator.
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Also well said. Never forget,that would be stupid.
 
Spudly94 said:
It's the Internet people don't care if they rip you off
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Sorry, no not even close to representing this situation. It is the knife community on the internet and I fell sorry for folks who do not understand that. They are missing more than can be understood otherwise.
 
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CW sent an email to his mailing list of his past customers and changed his marketing. The legal attack on BF aside and all the other stuff with responding to BF aside, and with not being forthright and him taking a position to protect his position and his business aside... His last move was a good one. He provided fair disclosure in my opinion.

Fair disclosure is something that I deal with on behalf of CEOs, Counsel, CFO's and heads of Communication on a daily basis in my career and as of current I handle fair disclosure issues for at least 5 publicly listed Companies in the U.S.

Whether you call the blades a blank, kit blade, or precision water jet, CNC'd, milled he provided enough disclosure of his manufacturing process to the public. It's 6 of one thing and 1/2 dozen of another.

Does anyone know what a CRKT factory looks like in China. At this point, CW corrected the biggest wrong and that is that, there's noting else to yell at the guy about. I have the choice when going out to buy a set of luggage to buy Louis Vuitton luggage for $4,000 a set or a set of American Tourister from Target for $179. That's my choice (I'm going to pick American Tourister btw).

If a seller's stuff is advertised truthfully, the buyer has that choice to buy or not buy from them and that is all. Hopefully CW will have the good sense to lay down the proverbial sword and tell his lawyer to stop the pursuit on BF as the members of BF would have the ability to make the indexing of this subject matter jump on google searches. As of current with his wording, I personally think the consumer has enough information to buy his brand or not. Have you perused the people on FB that have liked CW's facebook page. Lots of these folks are looking for that special niche gift are are affluent and/or generally not knife nutty's who hang out on BF as others have said. It's ok that they have the option of purchasing a gorgeous knife. His stuff looks really good there's no disputing this. That said if you don't want to buy his knife then don't and just let it be.

As of right now the educated consumer who cares how his knife is made from start to finish will be able to find more than enough info via the BF threads to make an educated decision on his knives to buy or not to buy. At this point his knives are not that different from a lot of other products out there and he has a right to conduct his business model as he sees fit.
 
Invective said:
Those knives have different overall lengths and cutting edge lengths.

Chris William's knife is
Overall Length: 12 inches

Blade Length: 7 inches

and the Premium Knife Supply one is

Specifications:
14" over all length
7 1/2" cutting edge

Additionally, the bottom tang pin hole on CW's knife is round, while the PKS knife has a rectangular hole. So these are probably different knives. Just thought I would point that out. Not trying to defend CW her,e just pointing out that the knives have significant differences.
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Just a heads up for Invective & anyone else that didn't know...the rectangular hole in the end of the PKS blank is the same size as the other holes,just elongated.
It will take the same size pins & gets covered by the scales so you never see it.
I've seen the same in some Case & Schrade tangs,I don't know why they make the back hole elongated,something to do with the manufacturing process I imagine.:)

Also,it wouldn't be a problem to shorten/modify a blank with the right equipment,which Chris apparently has.;)
 
cchu518 said:
I think CW has gone more than the mile to correct any mistakes. This is more than a mea culpa. He made changes to the wording of his business marketing Should just leave him alone at this point and let market forces dictate demand as he is doing nothing wrong at this point. Course correction was made.
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Sorry,still not satisfied,his statement is still not conclusive enough to convince me that he or his employees actually make the blades.
When there were pics of his shop up on his site I didn't see any knife making grinders,kilns or CNC machines.Just handle making equipment.
He is what he is & should be banned for his actions here on BF as the rules state.

EDIT:I just had another look & the shop pics are up,but again I don't see any metal working equip.

EDIT II:Thanks for the links AV,I didn't think to check FB.:o
I looked through every pic & didn't see one of him grinding a blade or a pic of a kiln or a CNC machine.:confused:
I did see a lot of handles gluing up though.;)
In the one pic of him working with the grinder he is apparently working on a handle.
Either that or re-profiling the edge.:rolleyes:
 
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