People who blatantly and fraudulently sell knives as hand made when they are blanks..

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From the "About" page on the Williams Knife Company web page:

To meet the ever-growing demand for his products, each knife begins its life utilizing state of the art specialized milling and waterjet machining equipment to insure the blades meet specifications to the highest tolerances. He has found in his trial and error that using this technology to achieve the most consistent, functional and durable knife that he can produce is more consistently made using advanced milling and machining techniques from the start. The design, the shape, the milling and the heat treatment are all finely controlled processes producing extreme quality continuity from one knife to the next. From there, each knife is hand inspected for quality, uniformity and consistency before ever moving to the next stages. These initial steps insure the best end product for his customer and they help him to meet the constant growing demand while not sacrificing his “form and function” guarantee. Each knife is then hand worked through the handle process to produce ergonomically comfortable grips, “good to the touch” whether in the kitchen, oyster table or afield. The handle process is where each knife truly takes on an identity all of its own. Beautifully hand selected woods and other natural materials are hand crafted to the customer’s specifications and are as unique as each customer themselves. The end result is a great product, with a great finish, delivered with great customer service to his customer. Nothing leaves his shop that has not been inspected by Chris for quality, form and function and as a result meets Williams Knife Co.’s high standard of excellence. This is his commitment to you and he stands firmly behind each and every knife that leaves his shop…for life.
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Much better. Thank you.
 
Huzzah! That's really all we wanted in the first place. Shame it took so long to get there, but as far as I'm concerned, all's well that ends well.
 
To meet the ever-growing demand for his products, each knife begins its life utilizing state of the art specialized milling and waterjet machining equipment to insure the blades meet specifications to the highest tolerances. He has found in his trial and error that using this technology to achieve the most consistent, functional and durable knife that he can produce is more consistently made using advanced milling and machining techniques from the start. The design, the shape, the milling and the heat treatment are all finely controlled processes producing extreme quality continuity from one knife to the next.
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This how I read that ^

"I pick out ready made blades in the catalog , buy them , put on handles , job done"

Am I the only one ?


1234,,,:)
 
1234 said:
This how I read that ^

"I pick out ready made blades in the catalog , buy them , put on handles , job done"

Am I the only one ?


1234,,,:)
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No. Like I said, Williams is a good writer. Everyone here knows what he really means, but his customer base most likely won't. They'll assume:
1. That he actually designs the knives he sells, and has the blanks made especially for himself, rather than just buying them online like anyone else can. (Notice, by the way, that he doesn't actually say anything about designing the blanks himself. So he's not technically lying.)
2. That the blanks, (which, again, they'll think he designed himself,) cost a lot more to "have made," (i.e, purchase from online catalog,) than they really do. Anything made "utilizing state of the art specialized milling and waterjet machining equipment" must be expensive... right???? :rolleyes:

The descriptions aren't much less misleading than before.
 
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I sorta just wanted to put it out there in case someone was impressed by his BS , mkay ?

1234,,,:D
 
Dan57 and 1234, you two are just fabulous! I really believe you two have the ability to knit pick just about any thing he says in order to keep this thread going. Your arguments are redundant and now are becoming baseless in light of the changes on wording he made on his site. Please consider giving it a rest. Thank you.

Edited to add: Just a non controversial question for which I have a need for an answer out of pure curiosity.

What do either of you do that is positive as it concerns the knife making/collecting community?

Paul
 
Well, I see it as a very positive step, and one that eroded my cynicism a bit. I applaud Williams efforts to actually find a compromise between our concerns and his work. To be honest, I was quite surprised and happy to see this. Is the wording perfect? Maybe not, but neither is mine. In this case what looked like an inevitable death spiral turned into compromise and what I see as honest effort. Kudos all around.
 
Positive regarding "knife making/collecting community ?".

I buy knives & I try to help out when someone has a question and I have an answer that fits .


1234,,,:)
 
sheathmaker said:
Dan57 and 1234, you two are just fabulous! I really believe you two have the ability to knit pick just about any thing he says in order to keep this thread going. Your arguments are redundant and now are becoming baseless in light of the changes on wording he made on his site. Please consider giving it a rest. Thank you.

Edited to add: Just a non controversial question for which I have a need for an answer out of pure curiosity.

What do either of you do that is positive as it concerns the knife making/collecting community?

Paul
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How about this.....
They will answer your question when you answer this one.....

unit311 said:
K8

You seem to be quick to defend this guy. Care to share your research with us? It might help to clear his name because this isn't looking good. I guess we have different ideas of what a successful business is. There is a difference between running an efficient business and misleading customers into buying something that they don't want. If I owned one of his knives I would be irate.
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Mr. Williams should be advised that no matter how, how much or when he edits his site/s, there are online Archives detailing them going back likely to their inception. These sites could well be used to very succinctly show patterns of behavior. Possibly in a court of law in any lawsuit. These archives are easily accessed by anyone. Lawyers, customers....anyone.
 
Hey hey... Mr. Williams used some of my suggestions.

I must say he does does do some very nice handle work :)
 
His changes are a step in the right direction but still don't fully disclose his methods. The 2nd & 3rd sentences seem to suggest that he himself actually uses these high tech machines to make the blades. The 3rd sentence actually has "that HE can produce" in it. It should say "that he can buy".
 
What the scammers, braggarts and scum never realize (and unfortunately some stubborn customers too) is that it does not take long at all for them to stick out like a sore thumb. After being in this community for over 30 years, that first statement is a fact.

The self bestowed "Master" title indicates exactly the side of the coin on which side this fellow resides as well as a few others that come to mind. The best makers and companies do not need hype or misrepresentation. They let the work speak for itself and present their methodology with plain honest words. If I could stress anything to folks starting out that will help their making, manufacturing or collecting, it would be the two proceeding sentences.
 
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While this has been good (really, great), has it run its course? The topic of conversation has seemed to drift to the individuals presenting arguments, not the central argument itself.
 
Bastid said:
What the scammers, braggarts and scum never realize (and unfortunately some stubborn customers too) is that it does not take long at all for them to stick out like a sore thumb. After being in this community for over 30 years, that first statement is a fact.

The self bestowed "Master" title indicates exactly the side of the coin on which side this fellow resides as well as a few others that come to mind. The best makers and companies do not need hype or misrepresentation. They let the work speak for itself and present their methodology with plain honest words. If I could stress anything to folks starting out that will help their making, manufacturing or collecting, it would be the two proceeding sentences.
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One of the best posts in this thread, IMHO. :thumbup:
 
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