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Its true alright, but not entirely accurate cause its well known that BM has farmed out some of its knive stamped with its approval. I understood what craytab meant but again, BM isnt lying, right?

All its knives are handmade. As blue bender said, all knives are, at least for now.

And again, if anyone is at issue with the way BM promotes its stuff, tell them. Not me.
 
wensynch said:
Its true alright, but not entirely accurate cause its well known that BM has farmed out some of its knive stamped with its approval. I understood what craytab meant but again, BM isnt lying, right?

All its knives are handmade. As blue bender said, all knives are, at least for now.

And again, if anyone is at issue with the way BM promotes its stuff, tell them. Not me.
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I don't think Benchmade is the first company to use the term 'hand made' for 'hand assembled'. On this forum though, hand made means hand forged, hand ground, basically totally hand fabricated, then assembled. For this forum there has to be a differentiation of what mfr's are doing and what custom makers are doing. So mfr's like benchmade have machine manufactured parts that are hand assembled, and custom makers have individually hand made parts.
 
wensynch said:
Its true alright, but not entirely accurate cause its well known that BM has farmed out some of its knive stamped with its approval. I understood what craytab meant but again, BM isnt lying, right?

All its knives are handmade. As blue bender said, all knives are, at least for now.

And again, if anyone is at issue with the way BM promotes its stuff, tell them. Not me.
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Ask Benchmade if by handmade they mean that their people hand operate the CNC machinery they own.
 
wensynch said:
My tale may [be] deep for some of you.
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Not really. The majority of us think before we speak...

wensynch said:
Its true alright, but not entirely accurate cause its well known that BM has farmed out some of its knive stamped with its approval. I understood what craytab meant but again, BM isnt lying, right?

All its knives are handmade. As blue bender said, all knives are, at least for now.

And again, if anyone is at issue with the way BM promotes its stuff, tell them. Not me.
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Please don't misinterpret my analogy. You really should research the processes of knifemaking and listen to what some of us are saying.

Listen to all, follow none; not follow all, listen to none.
 
You didnt answer the question: are all Benchmade knives handmade?

Agree or disagree?

Cobalt said:
Ask Benchmade if by handmade they mean that their people hand operate the CNC machinery they own.
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Well thats a given. Its also a given that if a maker is selling more than 1 knife, production wilk require more people.. all under the eye of maker. That makers specs, build and to your choice, as customized. A custom knife makers house/shop/smith.

I dunno. Not a knifemaker.
 
wensynch said:
You didnt answer the question: are all Benchmade knives handmade?

Agree or disagree?


Well thats a given. Its also a given that if a maker is selling more than 1 knife, production wilk require more people.. all under the eye of maker. That makers specs, build and to your choice, as customized. A custom knife makers house/shop/smith.

I dunno. Not a knifemaker.
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Every point you make seems incorrect;
You ask argumentative questions;
you (purposely?) misinterpret replies;
can't recognise a clear picture of a Buck110.
What are you doing here?
 
Then care to explain what is incorrect.

Is the statement wrong? All BM knives are handmade.

Please educate me.
 
Thats not an explanation, buddy.

Really?

And I just said, while I agree that Benchmade knives are not handmade in the context of custom, they are handmade. This is wholly accurate statement by BM.

You disagree, tell BM. You know better. Even better, post your complaint and reply here afterwards.
 
Wow, classic trolling at it's best right here. "Not a knifemaker" is the only true thing you've said in this thread.
 
wensynch said:
Thats not an explanation, buddy.

Really?

And I just said, while I agree that Benchmade knives are not handmade in the context of custom, they are handmade. This is wholly accurate statement by BM.

You disagree, tell BM. You know better. Even better, post your complaint and reply here afterwards.
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wensynch, no need to speak with Benchmade, you're the one repeating those words as fact.

There is most certainly a difference between handmade and hand assembled.

Benchmade's knives are hand assembled.

[video=youtube;wxGNv1CjMek]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxGNv1CjMek[/video]

Handmade knives are made by usually one person, by hand and sometimes aided with power tools.

I am not a knife maker either so please excuse my rudimentary explanation. In the Custom and Handmade Knife Forum, you will find countless examples of the process and end results of someone actually making a handmade and or a custom knife.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/678-Custom-amp-Handmade-Knives/page2

If we were to use your interpretation of "handmade", I could go to Ikea, purchase an entire living room set, assemble it, and then claim that it was all handmade by me.
 
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Ask Benchmade if by handmade they mean that their people hand operate the CNC machinery they own.
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Well, that's not THAT much different than people hand operating belt sanders is it?

Apparently we can't all agree on where this arbitrary line should be drawn. Not that "hand made" is necessarily a badge of quality anyway... I've seen "hand ground" or "hand made" used alternatively with "sloppy craftsmanship" too many times in the knife world.
 
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Well, that's not THAT much different than people hand operating belt sanders is it?
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In my opinion, they are different enough to have a clear distinction.

One is entering math into a computer and the machine then manipulates the material into the desired shape. The other is physically shaped by the person's own hands by the use of tools.

While the end results are effectively the same, the process is not.
 
Your iPhone was also hand made. Automated machines placed all the parts on the PCB with the help of an operator and another line worker took care of final assembly and snapping the back bezel on.

Apple should jump on that marketing bandwagon!
 
Except I didnt say anything other than that statement. No context, no explanation. I think thats what some of you did.

That statement alone is what craytab said was wrong. That I shouldnt reply of this thread saying its unfair to assume that someone here may just want to shoot the sht on this forum, a knife forum, general for anyone with an interest, nit just specialists or makers of knives. Theres a section for that. Its not a technical forum, this isnt a technical post either. As that statement was wrong, so I shouldnt mention it in a thread where hand made is a selling point.

Craytab assumed context and that those were my words. Mistakingly. They arent. Benchmade's words.

So some of you are angry at me for repeating something. If anyone disagrees and some are saying that they do disagree with that statement alone, apparently, tell them, or at least explain here why that statement without anything else, is wrong and I will be happy to detail this conundrum with customer support and report back here, cause you know, they arent my words.

I was reading another forum and it struck me when someone was saying they were asking there cause of knife snobs on another forum. Guess who those are? Not me.

And yes, im not a maker. Is that okay?
 
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wensynch said:
...I was reading another forum and it struck me when someone was saying they were asking there cause of knife snobs on another forum. Guess who those are? Not me.

And yes, im not a maker. Is that okay?
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I suppose so, absolutely.
 
Skrapmetal said:
Well, that's not THAT much different than people hand operating belt sanders is it?
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Only if you don't know what a CNC machine is. You can program any shape into a CNC machine. It takes the art out of Artisan. I am not saying they are not good. Just that no one can claim custom made if they are cranking out hundreds of blades, G10 slabs, and other components from one machine
 
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