PI2DMP you almost had me fooled. Explain yourself.

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PI2DMP said:
Here is a picture of my message to a respected mod on this forum asking them for guidance as to how to handle the situation in stating very clearly that I will follow whatever instructions he might provide
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REV are you seriously banning me? Do you really think I am in the wrong here?
 
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thanks Karda for setting the story right. Too much "I thought so" in this entire thread. Steve/ulf like I asked please. Mods don't need this junk. I know you are correct and solid, but never use the gift, I just turned down a deal in exchange over $1 and the gift request. IMO anyone who uses GIFT, should have zero rights here. Rev and Karda and all mods have said DO NOT GIFT A HUNDRED TIMES !!!!! At some point that needs to be considered. Everyone has been warned a hundred times, !!!!!



Karda said:
Wrong. There are clear standards for posting knives for sale here and clear punishments for those acting in deceptive manners. The punishments are infraction, restriction of account privileges or in especially egregious cases, outright banning.



And for buying:







My take on this situation is that:

PI2DMP should be posting clearer pictures and providing pessimistic descriptions of his items and not using the gift option dishonestly.

Ulf Krogstad should do his research, ask questions and trust his gut instinct. He also should not use the gift option dishonestly and should not be tinkering or modifying any items until resolution is achieved unless he wants to own them.
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PI2DMP said:
I just can't get over this man, so now there is a lock rock?? That's funny cause it's been nine days since you had it now and that's never come up once in the two dozen exchanges we've had. And I told you it was anodization?? Please provide that email or PM. Because I clear his help told you it was a coating, One in which you said you scratch that to remove before you even made first contact from the time that you received it to two days later when I got the first pm from you on these 'issues'. Why you did not contact me the day you received it, and you continue to lie about that when tracking information does not lie it is beyond me. I'm not gonna let what happened on that other form full of people that I have very little respect for happen on this one and me just brush it off when people are out right lying. Mods can you please look into this with all the communications I provided you throughout the week and at least try to verify some of the stuff that this guy is saying??????????
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Yes there is blade play. It doesn't bother me cause lots of BM's have it. Could live with it. The fact they have this marker crap all over them is what made me say"screw this, this is unacceptable." Esceapically when not even being told about the problem.

Oh, cerakoating. You told me they were accents and they were cerakoated.And it's not cerakoated either. The red painted grip is ceracoated I'll give you that and is another thing you didn't tell me of. The clip was anodized you said, which really means" The clip is burnt and has some really neat blue marker? on it."

Where am I saying anything about scratching exactly? I said these black painted red scales paint scratched right off yesterday. Is that what your referring too?

First thing I told you is that the marker/ink is coming off on my hand. Took some water/qtip rubbed right off. What is this , why is this happening, why didn't you tell me, both blades are crap, I want to send back? Refusal, refusal,resual. I know you don't wnat me to send them back cause you know you ripped me off by not describing them as crap and have me screwed becuase paid gift. I could have lived with the milled grip I could have. The fact I had ink/marker coming off in my hand made me just want to return both cause was lied to or you just don't care enough about your customers to state the facts.



I think there's some confusion if what you're referring to the blue accents on the pictures you sent as 'pen ink', that is Cerakoting. The blue blue accents are intentional. As well as the light shade between the hex pattern on the outer portion as well as the shade in which the Ti low ride clip is anodized to match. I was surprised not to hear from you this evening as I was expecting your call so I can try to figure out what exactly you're referring to. My issue is this, I sold the knives to eight different people on that one thread. Seven out of there I'm happy with what they purchased and then you and I have this issue. The reason I asked for a call is because there seems to be some issue with communication between us. The seven other buyers all asked for everything they needed upfront as far as further pictures, further details, specs, condition questions, you name it. All of which I was happy to provide to insure we get it right the first time. The reason it's important for me to do this is I don't know if you remember but you had me put the griptilian on hold for you the moment you I posted the thread. Therefore putting me out from the start. Now because you pretty much don't like what you purchased, I in expected to eat the cost of shipping it to you insured and then the cost of shipping it to the next buyer insured. Combined those two issues with the fact that you receive these niggers on Saturday and if your prior message is correct for the attempted to remove some of the blue coat therefore essentially damaging the knife is what I need speak with you about. I don't know if you may be overlooked these facts or just do not care but as I stated several times I would at least appreciate a phone call. You can reach me at the number below anytime. And I'm sorry my friend but being 2015 it's very difficult for me to believe that you don't have access to a telephone. Thank you.
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asdf12345 said:
Yeah, well some people here think that sellers shouldn't be obliged to be 100% thorough in describing their items. Something about making the Exchange an unfriendly place to trade knives and ruining the spirit of the forums. There's no standards for description or punishment for giving incomplete ones, so if you didn't ask the right questions unfortunately that's your problem.
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I don't know where you got that idea, but the stickie at the top of the Exchange clearly spells out the protocol for dealing here...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=892&a=98
 
craytab said:
Wellp, here is another one for the ignore list. These threads in the GB&U really are helpful to the community as we generally get 2 good ignore list folks out of them. Using paypal gift is all the red flag anyone should have ever needed for you but this transaction confirms your shaddiness. Also, your spelling and grammar are terrible.
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PI2DMP said:
That is why I insist in all my threads to use PayPal Goods, never pp gift. It was his own decision to go ahead and do it this way, why you going to have to ask him.
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Craytab seriously what is your problem? What have I done to you? Are you just trying to troll me? Cause that seems like thats the case. As far as I can remember have done nothing to you so whats your problem? As far as I know have done more good for this place than bad. Yeah I get pissed when stuff like this happens bad can you honestly say you would not be pissed here or other situations I have been upset with about in the past. Yeah I'm a weird !@#$% sometimes. Get weird do stupid stuff but I barely know anybody to not make mistakes unless they don't live much or are the most boring person on the planet. I try as much as possible to right my mistakes and still get slammed by you for not really any good reason. You have also made my ignore list. As well as others.


Well, paid you gift since thought you did me a favor and held these two gems for me a couple days waiting for payment. Figured would try to save you some fee's.

Is it right, no? It's not. Not right to do to PP. If you need to save the money that badly better off just doing a MO. Screws PP and screws you at some point. Would not recommend it.
 
Ulf- When you find yourself in a hole, please stop digging...



Someone please, put us out of his misery


Paul
 
PI2DMP said:
this is why the Orange grip was added on as a beat user for $45.
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You never told me beat user (listed as acid etched very big differance, and I would call this modded/massacred/painted)until I asked to return it. And what is your explaination for the "RED"scales being painted?
 
PI2DMP said:
Thank you for pointing out everything that I explain to him. And for at least showing somewhat of an impartial viewpoint towards this. The thing is I offer this guy more money than you even pay back towards the orange grip even though he did not do his didiligence as the SEVEN other people who bought knives off this thread did, all that were happy and most that left positive feedback. This whole thing has got me at a loss. When he initially contacted me and told me he'd scratched at the coding in attempts to remove it I contacted RebDevil immediately with a PM titled selling etiquette. I explain the situation to him, I provided him with all the correspondence, and below I will post his exact response to me as I've got to go to my PMs now and copy and paste.
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Your other customers were happy (as I would have been) because their knives were as described. THESE WERE NOT.
 
It is much easier to say what you should NOT have done:

1. Do not obtain crap! Research a bit so you avoid junk
2. Do not use paypal gift
3. If you disregard the above, I would certainly NOT come here and showcase your ignorance on the above two points....


Just my opinion... you are, or are making yourself look worse with each post. When you are looking for revenge, perhaps it is best to dig 2 graves.


Good luck

PAW
 
As mentioned before, I do not envy the moderation staff. Thankless a job it is, they do an excellent job in dealing with each unique situation.

Buyer and seller both shot themselves in the proverbial foot here. Maybe things could have played out differently if both sides were receptive towards concerns/points of the other party and willing to work towards some resolution. But as mentioned previously in this thread, what medium resolution would work to make both sides willing to put this to rest - and would both sides be willing to both accept and follow through to make it happen.

With the responses and interactions between the buyer and seller in this thread, both to one another and in response to other members, it is apparent that the chance of that occurring is very low - at least from my outside and uneducated observation.

Cooler heads prevail and how one conducts themselves - in the public light or behind the scenes, in light of positive or negative experiences - will help others determine if others will want to deal with you in the future. People usually do not want to deal with excessive baggage and tend to steer clear of it. At this point the damage may already be too much but you both would be best served to stop posting and await the recommendation of the moderation staff.
 
Bushido185 said:
What exactly is the solution to this situation? What is that would make you both happy? Perhaps there is a compromise in all of this somewhere. I see this is turning into a pissing contest and needs a resolution asap. Personal attacks on each other is only burying the original dispute. Like my grandad use to say, shit or get off the pot.
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Wanted refund since the 9th. Your right though should just end.

Keegan can I send the knives back and you pay the return shipping fee's since I feel these were very much not as described? The red painted black scales really just sent me over the edge here. All I wanted from the first hour I got them was to return.

Would also just keep them if you offer a good enough partial refund as think the RED painted modded bladed grip is worth $25(maybe) and the cnc scales are going to take work to make right.

Tried to just send back. I don't really understand how you thought these knives were good enough to sell here where people live and breathe knives? Do you not think these knives are messed up?
Maybe you didn't but I knew within a 1/2 hr wanted to return cause they are not what I bought as described to me or in the thread.

Taking a break here for the rest of the day. Will check in again tomarrow morning. Hopefully
 
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Ulf.

I know you aren't going to listen, but man, you need to stop.

The only thing happening here is post counts are going up, and people's eye's are starting to bleed.

Just walk away and learn a lesson from all the mistakes you made in this transaction, starting with using the 'gift' option....

You are not wrong here, you are both wrong, and digging deeper holes with each and every post.

Close this up, move on, and next time, buy the right way.
 
Ulf Krogstad said:
Wanted refund since the 9th. Your right though should just end.

Keegan can I send the knives back and you pay the return shipping fee's since I feel these were very much not as described? The red painted black scales really just sent me over the edge here. All I wanted from the first hour I got them was to return.

Would also just keep them if you offer a good enough partial refund as think the RED painted modded bladed grip is worth $25(maybe) and the cnc scales are going to take work to make right.

Tried to just send back. I don't really understand how you thought these knives were good enough to sell here where people live and breathe knives? Do you not think these knives are messed up?
Maybe you didn't but I knew within a 1/2 hr wanted to return cause they are not what I bought as described to me or in the thread.

Taking a break here for the rest of the day. Will check in again tomarrow morning. Hopefully
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Both sound like reasonable solutions except that the knives have been tampered with. Leaving a partial refund as the path I would take to end the dispute.

What say you PI2DMP?
 
Personally, I think a refund that is acceptable to both parties is probably the best solution.
 
Ulf Krogstad said:
Craytab seriously what is your problem? What have I done to you? Are you just trying to troll me? Cause that seems like thats the case. As far as I can remember have done nothing to you so whats your problem? As far as I know have done more good for this place than bad. Yeah I get pissed when stuff like this happens bad can you honestly say you would not be pissed here or other situations I have been upset with about in the past. Yeah I'm a weird !@#$% sometimes. Get weird do stupid stuff but I barely know anybody to not make mistakes unless they don't live much or are the most boring person on the planet. I try as much as possible to right my mistakes and still get slammed by you for not really any good reason. You have also made my ignore list. As well as others.


Well, paid you gift since thought you did me a favor and held these two gems for me a couple days waiting for payment. Figured would try to save you some fee's.

Is it right, no? It's not. Not right to do to PP. If you need to save the money that badly better off just doing a MO. Screws PP and screws you at some point. Would not recommend it.
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My problem is the stupid threads you start. Knock it off. I mean, why admit to screwing yourself?

There is no returns available for items that were never purchased. Stop asking for a refund. It is just dumb.

Also, you can't return non-purchased things after you alter them. You have failed several times in a basic sales transaction. This stuff is common sense. Yet you want to come on here and whine. Well, when you do that, the community has the right to voice their opinion. Don't start these threads and then you don't have to hear what everyone has to say.
 
Karda said:
Personally, I think a refund that is acceptable to both parties is probably the best solution.
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A refund for what? Nothing actually happened here.

I'd chalk this up to a learning experience and never mention it again.
 
craytab said:
A refund for what? Nothing actually happened here.

I'd chalk this up to a learning experience and never mention it again.
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You should take your own advice, and stop posting.

Youve left more unhelpful, waste of time comments then ulf and kegel put together.

Let everyone know how special you are with just one condescending post. No need to continue stoking the forest fire.
 
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