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https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bladeforums-2024-traditional-knife.2003187/
Price is $300 $250 ea (shipped within CONUS). If you live outside the US, I will contact you after your order for extra shipping charges.
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Ulf,
In all seriousness: You've been active on the forums for quite sometime & I for one, don't enjoy seeing anyone sink this deep. I sincerely hope, that these 2 very poor transactions, & your actions related to them, cause you to do some very deep introspection, & make improvements in your life...who cares about the knives...I'm talking your life! :thumbup:
The seller (P12DMP), IMO needs to weigh in here. Selling crap like this, is unacceptable! :thumbdn:
On a lighter note: That BM custom (???) grip, has to be thee worst knife that has ever been listed on a sale forum...if BF had an annual award for thee worst knife deal of the year, you would win this award hands down!
On an even lighter note: Thank God, & count your blessings, that this was only a knife, bro; because had you been in this same state of mind, & gone out to some bar...I'm very afraid that if your choices in women, are as bad a your choices in knives...you may have woken up 4 days later laying in bed with something that looks like this:
Let's put the original pictures in this thread for comparison, along with the original description:
BM griptilian with blade acid washed two tone (used): $75
BM Griptilian REI special edition green standoffs:$OLD
BM griptilian with custom cnc milled scales, custom spacer, and ti lowride clip: $145 (on hold until Tuesday)
1st: I would never have bought those knives without better pictures. Too low quality and much glare to see details/defects. Red Flag #1
2nd: Benchmade has only released red as trainers and has a limited edition REI version some time back. Thus, this knife is either a rehandled trainer/REI, or it is done at home. Ref Flag #2 Either way, that blade is not in great shape.
I can see in the original picture the 2-tone he is describing, and I can see where the acid etch was done. The acid etch is visible in your 3rd picture, and is of poor quality, but it was done. The "two-tone" he lists is a poorly done job which your pictures clearly show -- lower grit sandpaper to make the two-tone, leaving unacceptable scratches. Frankly, his images show that there's a problem with the finish, but not enough quality to show the details. Personally, I would have asked for more detailed images before deciding to buy, but that's just me.
Those are Allen Putman aluminum scales that were/are available in a blue anodized color. You doubt that he got them in that condition, but did you ascertain whether he bought them used from someone or new from Mr. Putman? The mottled appearance of the aluminum scales tells me the anodizing was removed through some method. If chemical, I wonder if it could potentially make it easier to remove the dye that was used in the anodizing process from other areas that did not have the anodizing completely removed. I am not familiar enough with anodizing aluminum to know if that would/could happen. The dye is water-based, and sulfuric acid is used in stripping old anodizing, so who knows...
Honestly, due to the lower quality of his pictures and lack of description, yes, you should have. He should have put better pictures online and described them accurately, but since he didn't, questions need to be asked -- especially a request for better pics.
Seiously?!?! After all the warnings to not pay with gift because you have no recourse which is even in the rules for the Exchange)??
Trainers and a REI limited edition (that was a s30v blade). That's it. Your description of "globs of paint" leads me to believe it was a home job. He should have disclosed that the scales were painted -- if he did the painting. If he received them that way, he may not have known any better and passed them on as he received them. Or, he realized he had been deceived and wanted to get as much of his money back as he could.
The blue is clearly visible in the second picture from the sale thread (the grooves near the Axis lock in the 2nd picture). Whether is is left-over anodizing or something else, the pictures won't show.
"Buyer beware" applies in every sale, but especially a used knife with poor quality pictures. He did not fulfill his responsibility to use good pictures and provide a good description. There is enough evidence in the pictures he did post that should have sent up at least one red flag to you, prompting you to ask more questions and request better pictures before committing to buy. You used the gift option: was it worth saving that 3%?
Are you partly responsible for the situation you're in? Yes, you are. Should he accept the return and refund your money? Yes, he should. Due to your part, you should pay the return shipping if you can convince him to refund you. If not, you need to decide what to do with them. Sell them at a big loss, throw them in a drawer, give them to someone... you decide. If you decide to keep them, I can make the red one look better. It won't be red, but it won't look like the monstrosity it is now. I just ask that you pay shipping to me and back.
The trainers and REI that were red were painted, I do believe, but not standard production mini-Grips. Unless that knife had a blade swap, it is a home job on a standard.
I contacted this member as soon as the knives I bought from him arrived. The "Red"( black scales painted red) grips blade was supposed to have a nice acid etch on it, the thing is just beat to death. Looks grinded on, polished, and the black sooty acid parts just wipes off dry or even more with moisture. From the two pics he has in his thread looked modded but had no idea was this bad.
Also on the milled aluminum?(I'm guessing, he doesn't know either) scaled grip. Knife is pretty descent gotta say. Blade was new, everything feels solid,smooth. Negatives---Blade play even atfer applied locktite yesterday (pivot I think just doesn't sit right) AND (and this is what really threw me. It has some type type of marker or cheap paint rubbed outside and inside of the scales. I asked Keegan what this stuff was . He told me he didn't know cause got them that way from a seller on ebay. I very much had my doubts cause having cheap marker/paint rub off on your customers hands I doubt you would be in business very long. Oh he also told me it was an anodization which it clearly is not because I took a qtip with water and rubbed inside the scales where most of the blue stuff is and it rubs off.
I contacted him same day I got the knives and told him "hey man want to return these knives. They are severly not as described and I just don't want them". He told me too call him ( didn't want to do that because he has a bad reputation on other knife sites as being a scammer and afraid would do something with the phone number). I told him I will even pay for the return shipping and he could take money out for the cost for him shipping. Refused, refused, refused. Kept trying to tell me it's my fault. Told me I should have asked more questions before I bought them. Said all of his other customers were happy and I was just a bad egg out of the bunch. News flash Keegan, most of your other customers bought new knives and you didn't have to go into details on the blades they bought explained in detail since they weren't modded or painted. It's the sellers responsiblity to explain the condition of knife for sale. I told him I have bought many knives and the only time I have had to send something back is when I bought a knife that the scales had been dipped in pen ink and I could not tell that from the pics.
(wasn't from BF). Anyways he just kept saying you can't return the knives. I was screwed because I paid him with gift and am hesitent to send the knives back to him anyways cause honestly don't trust him for his rep and way he was handling this.
Then he says well you can return the "REd" grip but not the other.
So yesterday I just said screw it I'll accept them and maybe can fix them up and told Keegan that.
This morning. I looked at this "Red" grip and realize there are black scratches? Looked more closely and the red is just painted on! Globs of paint inside the liners and the inside in some parts is shading black. See when I first got it I thought the small specs of black on scales was from something black that just got rubbed on it so never gave it a second thought until the red paint just scraped off this morning.
Was happy to get a "RED Grip" cause never seen one that I can think of except for the Grip trainers.
So the red paint is the last straw. I'm a very frustrated unhappy buyer here. Keegan gave you every chance to correct yourself and you still didn't tell me all the /truth/facts about these knives. I want to return them too you and have you pay for the return shipping with sig conformation since honestly don't trust you. I want you to tell why you didn't explain all this in the sales thread or to me after I contacted you.
Sorry Keegan but done talking to you though email. I want to send these back and for you to explain yourself.
Here's descripitive pics of the knives and link to sales thread.
Black showing on the "Red" grip this morning and horrible blade.
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I can show proof later that this blue marker/paint ( was told anodized
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Here's the thread where I bought them.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...crotechs-Benchmades-QTRMSTR-Spyderco-ZT-Brous
Here's a picture of the blue stuff rubbing right off. It can't be anodized.
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