Poll. . . Pick Your Favorite Baby SARsquatch Design!!!!

Pick your favorite Baby Sarsquatch Design

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I have mixed feelings about both knives, but I can't understand why people feel there is some safety advantage in the #1 design over the #2 design. There isn't.

The #2 design effectively has a self guard. If you were to slide your hand up on the blade on the #2 design, you would have done the same on the #1 design. There is a lot of drop in the #2 blade edge below the grip area. - about the same on both knives.
If anything, the rounded over Talon Guard is probably more likely to allow a hand to slip over it than the 90 degree self guard of the #2 design.

I can understand some of the different preferences and arguements, but this is not a rational concern IMO.

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Dunner said:
Jaxx, I like your treatment on that. I would take the underside of the handle out the the end of the micarta and then a sharper radius (drop) for the guard/talon hole, then your subtle choil (maybe slightly tighter radius) and call it good. That gets me close enough to my working edge :thumbup:
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dunner, i have to agree with you :thumbup:


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# 2 is the one SAR guys are trying to get IMO. Some traits are nice on each though.

J85909266, We were asking for something other than the usualy because we do mostly wood work. First responders like EMTs, firefighters and police cut seatbelts and all that stuff. Volunteer SAR (in the Pacific Northwest at least) are predominantly used for backcountry searches. We need tools to set up a camp but FAST for hunkering down during a storm or for stabilizing or warming up our customers. We need to be able to widdle pitchwood, split, pry (small stuff only... we carry a heavy blade for big stuff), cut cord and so on. It's pretty important that we have a knife that allows us to get close to the blade. A full choil does that but is unnecessary and unwarranted on a blade of this size. A small choil moves the grip back without any benefit apart from appearance. We don't care about appearance so much.
 
idahoskunk said:
me too... :confused: :confused: :confused:

and if we are both confused just imagine how confused jerry must be

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Me three....:confused: :confused: :confused:


It comes from my years of frustration in bicycle racing where a club would have 75 members voting on equipment to get from sponsors and then the 12 guys that actually raced bikes had to end up using stuff that they didn’t want or had to buy actual race equipment out of their pocket because the general members wanted a cool look for their weekend rides to the bakery. Even though the general membership did know a ton about bikes they didn’t know about racing.

I know a little about knives but nothing about what SAR teams need to do, so I really can’t suggest what the knife’s features should be. Furthermore, I don’t care if this knife ends up looking like a kitchen knife because I don’t need to own one; SAR people need to own one, so that is their problem:p. I can buy one of the other 100+ cool :cool: :cool: :cool: Busse designs that are out there if I don’t like this one.
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Dunner said:
# 2 is the one SAR guys are trying to get IMO. Some traits are nice on each though.

J85909266, We were asking for something other than the usualy because we do mostly wood work. First responders like EMTs, firefighters and police cut seatbelts and all that stuff. Volunteer SAR (in the Pacific Northwest at least) are predominantly used for backcountry searches. We need tools to set up a camp but FAST for hunkering down during a storm or for stabilizing or warming up our customers. We need to be able to widdle pitchwood, split, pry (small stuff only... we carry a heavy blade for big stuff), cut cord and so on. It's pretty important that we have a knife that allows us to get close to the blade. A full choil does that but is unnecessary and unwarranted on a blade of this size. A small choil moves the grip back without any benefit apart from appearance. We don't care about appearance so much.
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All I can say is dead on Dunner!
 
fbmooreusmc, you are right about #2 having the shape of a kitchen knife to some degree. That was one of the things I asked for in the other thread LOL. Jerry doesn't miss a thing :thumbup:
 
Jerry the more I read this, the more I think you should just listen to the guys who do the SAR work and give their input much greater weight than a guy like me who shuttles his kids around in a minivan and hasn't been in the woods in years. :D I do have to say #2 is growing on me a lot more. #1 is looking more like a modified BATAC (handle not included), I say make the departure from a familiar platform and venture forth.
 
I understand what people have stated about the guard too. I have seen some pretty heated discussions about guards and know people feel strongly on both sides of that arguement. The reason I feel the curve at the back of the blade is enough of a guard is because part of being on a SAR team is not becoming part of the problem. You have to be careful you don't become another mission number. It can hurt mission success and your friends will laugh at you forever.

As a result you will never see any of us stabbing and flailing the knife into things that would require a guard that can stop a truck. We use them carefully and as intended.

OK.. and we like to throw them when we are training. THERE, I said it! :foot:
 
Dunner said:
Jaxx, I like your treatment on that. I would take the underside of the handle out the the end of the micarta and then a sharper radius (drop) for the guard/talon hole, then your subtle choil (maybe slightly tighter radius) and call it good. That gets me close enough to my working edge :thumbup:
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Dunner, do you mean something like this? I had trouble moving the handle out, so I moved the blade in (lengthing it a bit) to get it closer, also moved the thumb ramp back a bit from where I moved it, but it is still forward of Jerry's original drawing. Changed the Talon hole area to what I think you were talking about...

Boss, if ya like it, can I have the proto? :) If ya HATE it... Then some punk hacked my account and set me up!!! :grumpy::foot::o :D LOL

Image pulled... Jerry, check your email, Boss. :thumbup:
 
Jaxx said:
Dunner, do you mean something like this? I had trouble moving the handle out, so I moved the blade in (lengthing it a bit) to get it closer, also moved the thumb ramp back a bit from where I moved it, but it is still forward of Jerry's original drawing. Changed the Talon hole area to what I think you were talking about...


Jax,

I think this is getting VERY close. :thumbup: ;)

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For the record, I could do without the thumb-ramp. It is too hard to get it just right for everybody.

The RMD is one of the few that has worked for me and my thumb falls on the blade/tip side of that ramp comfortably.

But, MOST other thumb ramps have been very bad for me: SJTAC, BATAC, Ratweiler, Dog Skinner, Rat Hunter, Rat Mastiff, Yard Guard and many others just were not right for me. The middle part of my thumb tends to naturally rest on the peak of the ramps.

Thumbs on this side or that side - move it forward or move it back - inevitably it won't be right for a large number of people.

On the other hand, I am (probably ??????) fine with trying to get it right and grinding it down if it doesn't work. ;) :cool:

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J85909266 said:
Go buy a Bark River...or a kitchen knife. I've never seen a more un-Busse Busse design.

Anyway, number 1 looks nothing like a BATAC. I hate the BATAC because it is severely handle heavy, awkward to carry and looks ugly due to bad ratio between the blade and handle. The number 1 looks like the BATAC should have: A solid, well proportioned five inch Busse tp follow up the stellar BA-III. I was about to buy a RatManDu due to the lack of a decent blade in that category by Busse.

Different strokes, I guess. I hope he makes both because I would like everybody to be happy. These are totally different blades, anyway. It's odd to make us choose. Number 1 is a standard utility, and number 2 is more woodcrafty. Niether really defines SAR for me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't SAR short for Search and Rescue? If that's the case, shouldn't it be a thick for prying, blunt tipped serrated blade with a seatbelt cutter sized for EDC? None of this makes any sense for SAR, to me.
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:confused: generic kitchen knife..LOL.
That crap has no business in my accumulation of high end blades. The way I treat my users both blades will be destroyed in no time:yawn:.................
I do agree with you on the fugly and uncomfortable BATAC. god I hate that blade..And the fact that #2 does not resemble a SAR blade.
#1 seems like it would be more of a SAR blade but still does not have me sold. These are both OK designs but I think the idea for a SAR knife at this pint still need more time to evolve.
Well, for the most part we are in agreement. :thumbup:
Back to the drawing board I guess...
 
Uncle_Jarvis said:
Bark River :confused: generic kitchen knife..LOL.
That crap has no business in my accumulation of high end blades. The way I treat my users both blades will be destroyed in no time:yawn:..........
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A Bark River in A2 may out live you.;) :thumbup:

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J85909266 said:
I won't buy number 2. It's ugly and doesn't look like a Busse at all. Preferably, I want number one with no thumb ramp. Those are a liability because everybody's thumb rests differently on the spine, and it can really ruin a blade if your thumb sits in an uncomfortable place on the ramp.
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Not spoken like someone working with a knife in a SAR situation imho. It's made of INFI, that's Busse exclusively, end of story:thumbup:
 
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