Possible Fake ZT 0562CF. What do you guys think?

Is this knife real?

  • Yes.

  • Yes, but he's misrepresenting how many owners it had.

  • No.

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What strikes me as odd about this whole thread is the fact that you pulled the trigger first, then asked if it was legit without seeing the knife in person. Why not simply wait for the knife and see what you actually get, then start investigating if it seems wrong? Ebay is on the buyers side 99% of the time so you are protected.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about how many people handled or sharpened your knife until you recieve it and see if there have been any averse effects. If 50 skilled sharpeners and responsible owners have been sharpening or owning the knife but it didn't suffer from it then how many hands it has passed through is kind of a moot point.

I would wait till I recieved the knife before I started worrying about what if this or what if that.
 
So, the reason I asked questions after bidding as opposed to before was that I noticed something only after I placed the bid. In his description, he said that he was selling the knife because he didn't really like it, but I looked in his seller history and noticed that he sold the exact same knife (supposedly a brand new one) in January or February, so what he wrote in his description for this second knife didn't exactly make sense, and since he was selling multiple knives, I thought he might be selling clones.
 
Josh G said:
buying things that are commonly faked does pose additional challenges, admittedly. So, the "valuable lesson" isn't that you have to buy a knife new from a retailer, but rather that, if you buy a used knife, make sure the seller has a long and positive history with buyers who can tell the difference between real and fake knives.
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^ Josh: you don't owe anybody here, any explanations. Just ignore the, "what if's" & "hypotheticals."

FYI: BF's just switched over to a new hosting site. The best feature here: the ignore option. Use this option to your advantage, and it can make people on this forum literally disappear and non existent. It can and will, make your experience here much more positive, and enjoyable. :thumbsup:

FWIW: About 4 years ago, I purchased a Spyderco Military Sprint Run, which turned out to be a very good replica/counterfeit, on Ebay. Something didn't look quite right, so I ended up contacting both Spyderco, and the dealer (whom the seller stated he purchased this from). After speaking with them, there were even bigger red flags. It turned out, that this Millie was in fact a fake.

This was back when you could actually see/know whom the other Ebay member's leaving feedback, were. I contacted 3 other Ebay member's, and all 4 of us (2 of which were fellow BF member's), were eventually given full refunds. The seller was banned, and I was allowed to keep the counterfeit Millie. I ended giving this knife, along with another knife, to a BF member (active duty military), who had posted an ad for seeking knife donations for deploying USMC soldier's out of Camp Pendleton. They actually sent me pictures of these knives being put to hard use- which was an awesome reward! :thumbsup:

Josh G said:
With regard to saving a lot of money, I did, actually: $77.50 on a $240 new knife.
To everyone who looked at the pictures and commented on the authenticity of the knife based on them, thank you!
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^ You're welcome!

Hey, $77.50 is a lot of money! About 3 or 4 months ago.....

I clicked onto the BF folder's sub-forum, and low and behold there was a freshly listed, Zero Tolerance 0562 M390 Carbon Fiber, with anodized titanium hardware.....

LISTED FOR $75!!!

Guess who the lucky guy was? :D

This place can be a haven for finding really great deals...provided that's what you're here for. :) :thumbsup::thumbsup:17155212_1285227264847785_15877533912531856_n.jpg 17264506_1285227151514463_1007222136123059477_n.jpg 17202874_1285227488181096_2240087486144712008_n.jpg

 
Hope you didn't take my post as an attack Josh, it certainly wasn't.
Been here a couple years now and have seen countless threads exactly like yours. 99% of them involve buying used off eBay.
$65 sounds like a lot of coin saved, but not if you receive a $10 clone or counterfeit.
The only second hand knives I feel are safe to purchase, are knives purchased here IMO.
No way is it 100%, but it's much safer. Researching a seller here is quite simple.
I'm hoping you receive an awesome knife and you're happy with it. I have one, carried it yesterday, and it is flat out awesome!!
Good luck!
Joe
 
Joe, thanks for your responses. No one here flamed me, but it's a bit annoying to have people ask you to justify yourself when you've already done that several times, each at moderate length. And some people may be trying to be helpful but end up saying things that are, in my opinion, a bit puzzling, like Lapedog, who says that even if there were 50 owners who sharpened the knife, as long as they were all responsible owners, it's not a big deal. But it *is* a big deal! I wanted a knife that was next to new, and that's what the seller represented it as. 50 owners is not next to new! And then there are the people that ask me why I didn't investigate before I bid, and I try to explain multiple times that things came to light only after the fact. Oftentimes, that's exactly how life works; you find out information after you need it. So, I get a fair number of comments/questions like that that don't make a lot of sense to me, but at the same time, I don't feel like getting into Internet wars with people over this; it takes about 5 minutes for these things to escalate where one person is ready to shoot the other one in the face over some silly crap. I explained myself pretty thoroughly; if people don't get it, what can I do.

Nice knife you got there for $75!

Being new to BladeForums, I'm curious to hear your methodology for finding out if a seller is legit or not. I assume it has something to do with searching for their name in the Fame/Shame section(s).
 
What I said was that if the knife had 50 owners but had suffered no ill effects (as in it was still i like new condition) then the number of owners is kind of a moot point.

As for the guy buying one of these knives and selling it in the past, then buying another one and selling it again claiming it is not for him; it happens all the time. People buy a knife and go 'this isn't for me' sell it. Then they stary hearing a bunch of good reviews and go 'maybe I'll give this knife another chance'. So they buy another and go 'well it really isn't for me afterall. I thought it would grow on me but it hasn't" and sell it again. It's not that weird.

However without you actually recieving the knife it is all just speculation at this point.
 
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Somethings I do before I buy from a person (as opposed to a known/trusted online store like Knifecenter or BladeHQ as two examples) :

1) learn about the knife. What does it look like? What steel does it use? What are its identifying characteristics? How much is it new? How about secondhand?

2) take a few minutes to research the seller. How is their feedback? Did they pop up yesterday or are they established? Are the pictures their own as opposed to company promo photos? Can they communicate effectively? Are they willing to answer questions? What does the community think of the seller? Do they only sell this one thing over and over or have they sold all kinds of different knives? Do they provide a proper address for payment and does it match the Paypal if that's what is used?

3) go with your gut. If it does not feel right, for any reason, don't go through with it.

4) Gather your *own* info. and make a decision based on *your* conclusions. Forget about Nick Shabazz, nutdancer, or other Joe Shmo you-boob people. Often, these guys are sponsored and have their own agendas. It's not always about the truthful, unbiased dissemination of information to help the consumer. A lot of those guys (not all but most by a wide margin) are advertisers/promoters for a specific company or product.
 
Josh G said:
So, I get a fair number of comments/questions like that that don't make a lot of sense to me, but at the same time, I don't feel like getting into Internet wars with people over this

Being new to BladeForums, I'm curious to hear your methodology for finding out if a seller is legit or not. I assume it has something to do with searching for their name in the Fame/Shame section(s).
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^ :thumbsup: This is great hobby, and should bring you enjoyment, not aggravation. However, if you're going to ask questions here in the GKD, you better be prepared for the entire gamut of responses.

Secondly, IMO BladeForum's most valuable tool/resource: Feedback: Good Bad & Ugly sub-forum.

^ It's the best place to keep informed, regarding the member's here, you're better off avoiding!

And not to insult your intelligence, Josh, but one more bit of valuable advice: Never use the PayPal Friends & Family/Gift option, when buying Goods!!! :)

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/feedback-the-good-the-bad-the-ugly.699/

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And read this marathon thread, when you get a chance:
http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/another-paypal-discussion.1163713/
 
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Josh G said:
Palonej (and others): Buying used items is no sin. I'm a huge fan of recycling; otherwise items--not just knives--sit around in drawers and are wasted--or worse, thrown out. Better to give something a second home. But buying things that are commonly faked does pose additional challenges, admittedly. So, the "valuable lesson" isn't that you have to buy a knife new from a retailer, but rather that, if you buy a used knife, make sure the seller has a long and positive history with buyers who can tell the difference between real and fake knives. As for others asking me why I didn't check all this to start with, sellers are responsible for representing their items faithfully; there's nothing wrong with investigating after the fact, though it's certainly a lot easier to stay away from something possibly shady to start with and just move on to a different seller who is squeaky clean. With regard to saving a lot of money, I did, actually: $77.50 on a $240 new knife. But if I could do it again, I'd have forked over the $240 in a heartbeat; this isn't worth $77.50--especially because I'll never really know how many people used and sharpened this thing. Finally, I already explained in great detail why I'm concerned about where he got the knife. If the explanations I gave don't work for you, shrug.

Kelama: Thanks!

PURPLEDC: A flea market or gun show being a brick and mortar show?? As Gary Coleman said, "Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?!"

bladesmith_3: Thanks, and yes, I'll check out the serial numbers for a match. This is the first thing I intended on checking, and I hope you're right that the cloners don't clone iterative serial numbers and box stickers!

sharp_edge: If you scroll down you should see the item. Since KAI manufactures ZT knives and ships them to sellers, with modern database technology, it's not difficult to determine where a serial numbered item is shipped to. You scan a barcode and then put it in a box.

To everyone who looked at the pictures and commented on the authenticity of the knife based on them, thank you!
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What im saying is the guy could a total liar or completely legit. And my joke about the brick and mortar being a flea market is if the guy is in fact a liar. Moral of everything i said is you have no idea what is truth and what is lies when dealing with a perfect stranger. Even if the story seemed legit who really knows? Only the guy who sold it. Either way we are debating the authenticity of a knife that may not even be the knife you get.
 
Ratman79 said:
Somethings I do before I buy from a person (as opposed to a known/trusted online store like Knifecenter or BladeHQ as two examples) :

1) learn about the knife. What does it look like? What steel does it use? What are its identifying characteristics? How much is it new? How about secondhand?

2) take a few minutes to research the seller. How is their feedback? Did they pop up yesterday or are they established? Are the pictures their own as opposed to company promo photos? Can they communicate effectively? Are they willing to answer questions? What does the community think of the seller? Do they only sell this one thing over and over or have they sold all kinds of different knives? Do they provide a proper address for payment and does it match the Paypal if that's what is used?

3) go with your gut. If it does not feel right, for any reason, don't go through with it.

4) Gather your *own* info. and make a decision based on *your* conclusions. Forget about Nick Shabazz, nutdancer, or other Joe Shmo you-boob people. Often, these guys are sponsored and have their own agendas. It's not always about the truthful, unbiased dissemination of information to help the consumer. A lot of those guys (not all but most by a wide margin) are advertisers/promoters for a specific company or product.
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Excellent post, Ratman! :thumbsup::thumbsup:
This should be a, "BF sticky."
 
Guys - buying from eBay or here at the Exchange is not the same as buying from a dealer like bladeHQ, in that if you do not act soon, someone else may snag it.

OP - I do ot blame you of buying on ebay, though I do agree that one needs to be more cautious than buying here or from reputable dealers. $60 is a lot of coins although deals like that do show up here ($240-60=180), which is where I bought all my 2nd hand knives.
 
Hi guys.

Seems like you've all been busy while I took my nap today. :) The knife came. The very first thing I asked the seller--before I bid--was if the blade was scratched, since it showed some discoloration in the photos. He responded that it was not scratched in any way; that it was just tape residue. Well, the first thing I did after taking the knife out of the box was wash the blade in soapy water. The "tape residue" did not come off. I have requested a refund.


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Josh G said:
So, the reason I asked questions after bidding as opposed to before was that I noticed something only after I placed the bid. In his description, he said that he was selling the knife because he didn't really like it, but I looked in his seller history and noticed that he sold the exact same knife (supposedly a brand new one) in January or February, so what he wrote in his description for this second knife didn't exactly make sense, and since he was selling multiple knives, I thought he might be selling clones.
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Josh G said:
Hi guys.

Seems like you've all been busy while I took my nap today. :) The knife came. The very first thing I asked the seller--before I bid--was if the blade was scratched, since it showed some discoloration in the photos. He responded that it was not scratched in any way; that it was just tape residue. Well, the first thing I did after taking the knife out of the box was wash the blade in soapy water. The "tape residue" did not come off. I have requested a refund.


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Soapy water does not get tape residue and adhesive off. You need lighter fluid. Those are NOT scratches.
 
Those do not look like scratches to me. Either way if you feel the knife was misrepresented in any way then go fornthe refund. It's your money that you're spending, you should be happy.

I will say that if a knife in a seller's picture has stuff like that on the blade then odds are the seller could not remove it. Most sellers clean up the knife the most they can before photographing it.
 
Lapedog and PurpleDC, thanks for your input. Like I said, I used Coleman fuel, which is a mix of hydrocarbons that Coleman makes for its lanterns. It's not exactly the same hydrocarbon as lighter fuel, but it should do the trick if lighter fluid takes out these stains. Before that, I scrubbed the knife with soapy water and a paper towel. The whole saga has been fishy, so I requested a return, posting pictures of the blade. He claims I damaged the blade while cleaning it and refuses the refund. I expected that, so I'll wait a few days and get eBay involved.
 
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