PP fees

benchwarmer380 said:
Could be lazyness or nickle and diming. Some will even ask for 4%, 4.5%, 5% or whatever percent they want for whatever reason.

I think they put it to entice/fish for a "discount" via F&F.
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I agree that most sellers adding PayPal fees, really want F&F payment, thinking that it gives them total control over the transaction, in case anything goes wrong.
Those individuals could unknowingly be setting themselves up for a credit card chargeback, from a shady buyer, having that control taken away from them, and also losing their knife.
 
Peter Hartwig said:
While maybe not the worst offence, it is against PP rules as stated in the agreement. Fees are supposed to be assumed by the seller not the buyer. If asked G&S +correct fees it likely isn't a problem to PP if they get their money and neither party has a gripe. The bigger problem is that +fees is often used to move the buyer to F&F which is a problem on many levels.
One price shipped solves this problem and no one knows or cares what % of that price you added for PP fees.
I put little consideration to PP fees or shipping when selling. I am not running a business. I just try to price what I think is fair and leave it at that.
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^^^^:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Wouldn't it be poetic justice, if somebody got the PayPal addy, of a seller, who's doing this, then turned them in to PayPal, with a link to their sales thread? I mean, it's a violation of PayPal's ToS, to do what they're doing, right?

I'm not saying, or recommending, anybody to do it, but I have to wonder, if somebody ever has.
 
Beak14 said:
Wouldn't it be poetic justice, if somebody got the PayPal addy, of a seller, who's doing this, then turned them in to PayPal, with a link to their sales thread? I mean, it's a violation of PayPal's ToS, to do what they're doing, right?

I'm not saying, or recommending, anybody to do it, but I have to wonder, if somebody ever has.
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Unfortunately, PayPal doesn't seem to care...I have reported users to them who specifically request f&f payments for goods with no response:(
 
As some others have said I just move on when I see all that BS.

I mean for Pete sake you didn’t have 3rd grade arithmetic? You, as a seller can’t decide how much you want to charge? You have to make it a word problem out of grade school by saying add this or that % or NET TO ME or some other hoop you have to jump through just buy your knife.

Nope not me. As I said in my first sentence I just move on.

Mark T.
 
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They're probably trying to address a handling fee, recycled bubble wrap and popcorn cushioning costs some serious money. LOL
 
WValtakis said:
Unfortunately, PayPal doesn't seem to care...I have reported users to them who specifically request f&f payments for goods with no response:(
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Gotcha!

Oh well, I guess. It's just such a crappy way of doing business, in my opinion. Plus, why can't they just say: "I need to net X $$'s, so the price = X, after all the fees, and shipping, are calculated?" To say "net to me" then not give a total... I don't know, it's just so annoying! Not that I buy too much, but I surely won't buy from somebody that doesn't have a TYD (to your door) price.

Oh, and what about sellers that want YOU to pay for insurance? You know, if the product doesn't arrive, the seller's on the hook, to the best of my knowledge.

Anyway, as I told my wife, earlier, my life is pretty good. I really shouldn't be bugged, by these type of people, just thinking about it. But, somehow, they get under my skin, lol.

"Don't be a douche-nozzle - just give one price, and that's it!"
 
jceckrosh said:
PayPal charges fees. We all know this.

If you are selling, just give a price - add the fees and shipping into the price if you don't intend on paying them out of your end. I hate that "add 4%" or "net to me" nonsense.

I always give a price and say "All in TYD CONUS, PayPal Goods." No math required.
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Completely agree!
 
it is a seller's fee and I've never had an issue selling g&s covering the fee, insurance and shipping fees but then again I'm not trying to eek every penny out of a transaction. I refuse to be one of those guys because my reputation is worth more than a few bucks.
 
4mer_FMF said:
I want to add my voice to the majority opinion expressed above, on almost all accounts.

The whole net to me, add fees, F&F, insurance on buyer-thing belies ignorance, laziness, deceit, douche-baggary, or a combination of the same.
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Spot on. Wish the forums would make a rule about it.

I primarily chalk it up to ignorance or laziness but that's no excuse.
 
MaxFactor said:
Spot on. Wish the forums would make a rule about it.

I primarily chalk it up to ignorance or laziness but that's no excuse.
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Nopes, this forum won't (and should not) -- bladeforums is not a "enforcement wing" of PayPal ToS! :p

PayPal does have automated ToS violation software, but going after small fish is probably not worth their resources...
 
choombak said:
Nopes, this forum won't (and should not) -- bladeforums is not a "enforcement wing" of PayPal ToS! :p
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I disagree. We're a community here. We should be regulating ourselves. Yeah, PayPal is an independent service not affiliated with BladeForums but its use is so ubiquitous here that it is an integral part of the Exchange and the BladeForums community whether we like it or not.
 
TXZerb said:
Are sellers asking 3.5% on top to use PP G&S just being dooshbags, or is there something I'm missing?
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Could be because seller wants to be paid by PP FF, as others have mentioned.

I tend to ignore the 'FF, ad X %, net to me or discreet payment' sales posts .
 
MaxFactor said:
I disagree. We're a community here. We should be regulating ourselves. Yeah, PayPal is an independent service not affiliated with BladeForums but its use is so ubiquitous here that it is an integral part of the Exchange and the BladeForums community whether we like it or not.
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I understand choombaks statement and I kinda sorta agree but MaxFactors post makes good sense too. We’ve seen these posts time and time again and nothing is going to change about pp UNLESS a hard and fast rule is implemented by BF. People are just too greedy and feel they have to squeeze out that last few pennies on a sale.

Vr
Mark T.
 
scout1sg said:
They're probably trying to address a handling fee, recycled bubble wrap and popcorn cushioning costs some serious money. LOL
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My big thing is the laziness of a seller forcing me to calculate the price. There's truly no such thing as a seller's fee. All seller costs are ultimately passed on to the buyer as overhead expenses. When I sell, my cost of shipping materials is included in the price.
 
empty5853 said:
I understand choombaks statement and I kinda sorta agree but MaxFactors post makes good sense too. We’ve seen these posts time and time again and nothing is going to change about pp UNLESS a hard and fast rule is implemented by BF. People are just too greedy and feel they have to squeeze out that last few pennies on a sale.

Vr
Mark T.
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Here is my opinion:
1.Each of us made an agreement with PP to abide by their rules. Using F&F for G&S purchases is not abiding by their rules. This is on those doing it not BF.
2. PP could regulate it themselves but find that to not be economical in many cases. Why should BF pick up PP's slack.
3. BF warns all of us of the dangers of using F&F, but "you can't fix stupid"
We are all adults and should be able to behave in a reasonable manner without BF rules for everything. BF did not sign on as our baby sitter. As an adult I can bypass those that use F&F -just like changing the channel on a show I object to.
 
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MaxFactor said:
I disagree. We're a community here. We should be regulating ourselves. Yeah, PayPal is an independent service not affiliated with BladeForums but its use is so ubiquitous here that it is an integral part of the Exchange and the BladeForums community whether we like it or not.
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Threads like this help to self regulate by informing others that may not be in the know. Not purchasing from folks that ask for F&F is also a form of self regulation.

Peter Hartwig said:
Here is my opinion:
1.Each of us made an agreement with PP to abide by their rules. Using F&F for G&S purchases is not abiding by their rules. This is on those doing it not BF.
2. PP could regulate it themselves but find that to not be economical in many cases. Why should BF pick up PP's slack.
3. BF warns all of us of the dangers of using F&F, but "you can't fix stupid"
We are all adults and should be able to behave in a reasonable manner without BF rules for everything. BF did not sign on as our baby sitter. As an adult I can bypass those that use F&F -just like changing the channel on a show I object to.
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This.

I understand the reasons for but Im against banning F&F for the reasons Peter mentions above.

To add to that, banning would do a fair job of stopping it openly, but come on. Do y'all really think that the ones that continuously ask for it will stop once its a rule on BF? Its already a rule for PayPal and they obviously dont care. I would bet most would still request it behind closed doors.

I for one prefer that they wear their scarlet F&F badge front and center like they currently do.


I am responsible for my actions and so is every adult here. Own that and this will never be an issue..
 
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