Problems with UrFrndlyNebrhoodS AKA Ryan Posey

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SidTheMuss said:
after reading the last email (assuming it was not altered) i think both of you were equally shady in this deal. i think op broke agreement 1st, then posey responded poorly. both of you should have walked away once the deal started going sideways. i personally don't think the op should have ran to his computer and tattled here the minute he received the box with the note. he's obviously still in contact with posey and has not denied breaking shipping agreement 1st. i feel everyone needs to chill and let this sort out before getting so worked up and attacking this member. there's a big difference between sending an empty box with a note because the other party hadn't sent his knife yet and sending an empty box with no intention of sending the knife. peace
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You obviously did not read the whole thread or the history of Ryan Posey. If you had read about the scam he ran last time & understand that he shipped an empty box! and still come to this conclusion, I and 99.99% of the community do not need to discuss this further with you, since it would be futile.

The OP did nothing wrong, he got scammed by Ryan Posey who has a history of being a liar and cheat.
 
The guy sending an empty box is downright dirty in the first degree. That shows he had intentions of deception in order to get the tracking number the OP wanted in order to get the transaction going.

Having said that, what is this mess about "seeing movement before shipping". A trade is a leap of faith on the part of both parties. Yes, fraud happens but what puts one party in the driver's seat on a trade? I mean what if Posey had said he wasn't going to ship before the OP provided a tracking # with movement? Does it become a Mexican standoff? Doing transactions online with strangers is a risk we all seem to take all the time here. At some point you have to either decide you are comfortable with the risk or not. If not, stop doing deals with individuals online. In this instance it seems your gut told you this guy Ryan was shady and perhaps that was clue #1 to run.

I do support the OP wholeheartedly and hope he gets his knife back from USPS via Intercept. However, were it me I'd refund the $107 minus whatever shipping cost I had incurred to that point in this botched deal. That's just me though.
 
I have no intentions of keeping his money. When i presented to ship when i saw a tracking number i thought of it as a better gesture than the "you ship first" method i've seen here before.
 
Have you tried to cash that check yet?
That may tell you how the rest of the deal will work out.
Good luck
Doc
 
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I have no intentions of keeping his money. When i presented to ship when i saw a tracking number i thought of it as a better gesture than the "you ship first" method i've seen here before.
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The "you ship first" method actually works just fine more often than not when people follow through instead of halfassing things. What doesn't work 100% of the time is when people do not follow the tons of advice in sticky threads, the rules, their common sense, cannot reach clearly defined terms, decide to deviate from said terms, and fail to communicate in a meaningful and coherent way. As VolGrad said, there is ALWAYS inherent risk when dealing with people online, that you don't know, and trades are involved. If people don't have integrity and cannot honor their word, then they really have nothing. I would recommend the trade be "undone" completely, no one should "keep" anything that is not inherently theirs to begin with. This whole event is too complicated for what the end result entails and has proved damaging all the way around.
 
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A little punctuation, capitalization, and grammar would really help you prove whatever your point is here. But I digress....

The fact that you are defending this BS is fantastic. You learn a lot about people in the GB&U, and not just the principals involved in the topic. When the owner of Bladeforums tells you to ship the knife and you don't, what does that say? The owner here, they guy you paid to be a gold member, has told the piece of trash to ship and yet he still doesn't. Since when does Spark even get involved in the GB&U drama? Not ever, since I have been here. That should tell you all you need to know.
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get a life, stop being such a drama queen. oh, and someone please show me where i stated i was defending either of them. i used to come into the gb&u cause their was good info on what's happening with buyers and sellers. now it seems like a bunch of guys like this just looking for something to whine about.
 
It is with reluctance and ughness that it had to come to this point so, so early in the game. I pledged not to take part in a such a ridiculous thread because it was created so prematurely and probably in the heat of the moment. Nonetheless, Revdevil was kind enough to send me a well-written, non-accusatory, unbiased pm signifying that it be in the best interest of the BF community that I respond. I respect that and do so to give the other side of the story even for the sheer benefit of its members and future members whatever that may be. I also am taking his advice in not responding to any other comment/post other than the OP to whom this whole debacle was made possible. If and when an exception has been made, it will be so and at the sole discretion of myself and for the best interest of the BF community. Thank you


So here is my side:



Surprisingly the original OP did a fairly good job of quoting my side of the story as well as his from our ongoing back and forth email conversations. Still he forgot to add one small detail, the most recent message sent just over 10 hours ago:

Hello,



Yes, I do recall sending you the tracking number and you replying with something of the sorts. I do apologize for that error on my part. Nonetheless I recall sending you the correct tracking number that same day so you should have been able to get the package out that day or at least the next. The only thing I can think of about the address not working correctly is something on your end as I never had problem with it in the past not being valid in Paypal. In fact I contacted Paypal recently to make sure everything was up to date and good to go. A confirmed address shows up regardless.

I'm sorry but I am just not buying the fact stating that you were risking $525. If you felt that was the value, you would have listed it as such. For the same reason I didn't list the Sylsz at $275 is the same reason you didn't list yours at $525. Please be honest. None of that really matters though except for the simple fact we agreed on a value for each of our respective knives and agreed on a trade deal based on those values. We both had equal value to risk and at stake. The only difference is I sent you $107+ first. *

Well all is said and done, I understand where you are coming from and hope you can understand where I am coming from as well. Hopefully your knife will arrive tomorrow and proceed from there.


Thanks,


As it stands, the OP has had my money now going on a week and yet I still haven't received his knife. I believe this all could have been avoided had he actually send his knife out to me on the exact day we agreed upon and/or given me a chance to respond/ explain the package w/the note. Instead he decided to go run and "tattle" and create a no-doubt accusatory thread in a matter of no less than 3 hours time. I wasn't even given 3 hours time to respond before this thread was created! Then when I tried to offer an explanation, all I received was a FU*K NO response.
 
Several things appear strange regarding this drama. It looks as if the agreement took place somewhere around 6/4-6/5. The OP did rec. his $$$ and the empty box. OP keeps saying that his Wilson shipped, but clearly it shipped very late at best, not as was agreed to in the deal. Once money arrived in OPs paypal account, OP should have sent knife that very day. Meaning he would not have had the knife when the empty box arrived. The empty box had a shipping address and "URFRN" had to have the correct address in order to ship the empty box. I have never not seen paypal provide an address that the OP could have used. It appears to me that the OP was in fact holding his knife, even after getting the money before shipping. Otherwise while the empty box was 100% wrong the OPs knife should have already del. to Calif. It does not take 10 days for that service to run. Also at least 10 times the OP has been told to intercept his knife, and having read every word several times I have not heard the OP state that he stopped the knife. Has the OP actually shipped his knife at all at this point ?


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UrFrndlyNebrhoodS, you need to address this situation immediately.
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This message was sent almost 10 days ago and Spark has appeared here with RevDevil TELLING urFrndlyNebrhoodS what to do, yet he has NOT complied. I have seem many situations in which members have done far less and were banned. Typically in a situation like this Mods will tell everyone to relax, trying not to spook the offender, hoping to resolve a matter, not the case here either. Strange times here for sure. Op has a knife that's value does not reach the stated $525, OP has >$100 of other members money, and plenty of time has expired for BOTH knives to have arrived at their destination. Since OP has called off the trade, the $100 should be refunded at once, the OP has had plenty of time to stop a shipment, if in fact it was ever shipped, and The thread should be closed. We have all seen cases in this forum far worse than this one. Heck , we have dealt with threads where a member cheated many members, where fake items were sold to the community in general, and were members withheld funds or knives from 5-6 members at a time. But this one has gotten more attention that anyone I recall in GBU.While the OP IS NOT AT FAULT, red flags were flying from the very start, and as RevDevil states, at some point members must be held accountable for their own mistakes and short sightness. It is also sad that member belittle each other over spelling and grammar. The knife world should be a brotherhood, where people count. Where Gentlemen trade and visit with others. If we treated each other with respect, Spark and RevDevil would not have to hold guys and Ladies hands. Strange to me how a problem the the OP and the other member are involved in leads into others being put down and abused. This section of the forum is no longer about helping it has become the hang out for some who comment on every post over and over again. Problem the guys who could a year ago actually fix things have stopped coming into this site because of it.IMO only mods or Spark should be calling for anyone to be banned. Place has become a Lynch Mob at best. like many other areas of the forum, we are told this is going to stop, but just like Spark telling this to be resolved 10 days ago, nothing happens. But somewhere, in some unknown side of a thread some member will stump a toe and be banned, hard to understand for sure.
 
If some hipster sent me an empty box and a note like that, I'd send him a box with a boxing glove mounted on a fully-compressed car spring inside. "This side up!" :D

Looney Tunes justice.
 
I don't know the details of the delay in shipping for op. I know that I don't live at the post office so I have limited Windows of time for shipping. Perhaps that's the case for the op? In any case a couple day's to get to the post office to ship is not unreasonable but people should try to stick to the agreement outlined in regards to shipping times. I've ordered from businesses that took 3-4 day's to ship. All I know if you don't have trust in someone don't ship empty boxes, do not agree to the deal and move on. Are we five years old here?
 
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The OP has stated he is dissatisfied and wishes to reverse the deal. The gentlemanly thing to do here would be to have him confirm this wish and, assuming he does, return his package immediately, without opening it.
 
SidTheMuss said:
get a life, stop being such a drama queen. oh, and someone please show me where i stated i was defending either of them. i used to come into the gb&u cause their was good info on what's happening with buyers and sellers. now it seems like a bunch of guys like this just looking for something to whine about.
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Sorry Sid, this is not the first nor the last you will be on the wrong side of an issue in the GB&U. You can call me names if you want but go take a look where most of your posts take place. It is in the GB&U!

UrFrndlyNebrhoodS said:
It is with reluctance and ughness that it had to come to this point so, so early in the game.
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Nothing you can say changes the fact that you sent an empty box. Game over.
 
UrFrndlyNebrhoodS said:
It is with reluctance and ughness that it had to come to this point so, so early in the game. I pledged not to take part in a such a ridiculous thread because it was created so prematurely and probably in the heat of the moment. Nonetheless, Revdevil was kind enough to send me a well-written, non-accusatory, unbiased pm signifying that it be in the best interest of the BF community that I respond. I respect that and do so to give the other side of the story even for the sheer benefit of its members and future members whatever that may be. I also am taking his advice in not responding to any other comment/post other than the OP to whom this whole debacle was made possible. If and when an exception has been made, it will be so and at the sole discretion of myself and for the best interest of the BF community. Thank you


So here is my side:



Surprisingly the original OP did a fairly good job of quoting my side of the story as well as his from our ongoing back and forth email conversations. Still he forgot to add one small detail, the most recent message sent just over 10 hours ago:

Hello,



Yes, I do recall sending you the tracking number and you replying with something of the sorts. I do apologize for that error on my part. Nonetheless I recall sending you the correct tracking number that same day so you should have been able to get the package out that day or at least the next. The only thing I can think of about the address not working correctly is something on your end as I never had problem with it in the past not being valid in Paypal. In fact I contacted Paypal recently to make sure everything was up to date and good to go. A confirmed address shows up regardless.

I'm sorry but I am just not buying the fact stating that you were risking $525. If you felt that was the value, you would have listed it as such. For the same reason I didn't list the Sylsz at $275 is the same reason you didn't list yours at $525. Please be honest. None of that really matters though except for the simple fact we agreed on a value for each of our respective knives and agreed on a trade deal based on those values. We both had equal value to risk and at stake. The only difference is I sent you $107+ first. *

Well all is said and done, I understand where you are coming from and hope you can understand where I am coming from as well. Hopefully your knife will arrive tomorrow and proceed from there.


Thanks,


As it stands, the OP has had my money now going on a week and yet I still haven't received his knife. I believe this all could have been avoided had he actually send his knife out to me on the exact day we agreed upon and/or given me a chance to respond/ explain the package w/the note. Instead he decided to go run and "tattle" and create a no-doubt accusatory thread in a matter of no less than 3 hours time. I wasn't even given 3 hours time to respond before this thread was created! Then when I tried to offer an explanation, all I received was a FU*K NO response.
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Would that have magically gotten the knife you were supposed to ship into the box you'd sent?
 
I think UrFrndlyNebrhoodS got spooked and made a mistake. The problem is he is still speaking from a position of being justified and warranted. I dont agree. The whole two wrongs doesnt make a right thing I think applies here. And the op would not have been delayed in shipping if UrFrndlyNebrhoodS had been more competent in getting the OP the correct shipping information. If I agree to ship on a monday and I go to the post office on monday with the address given and it comes back as undeliverable I made my attempt to live up to that. I am not obligated to go back home and wait for a reply with the correct address and get back to the post office that day.

Not all of us have the luxury of living close to a post office and not having anything better to do in the day. What really bothers me about this story is UrFrndlynebrhoodS nonchalant "yeah, it was a low blow move and I regret it but im still gonna stick to it" bs. To me its a narcissistic paranoia move ala "if someone is gonna get screwed, come hell or high water its not gonna be me" attitude. All the griping after the fact about values is just derailment of the real issue which is not living up to ones word. Both parties broke their word here. But unless I am missing a big part of the puzzle (not a surprise if I did) it would appear that both parties words were broken at the hand of UrFrndlyNebrhoodS . If he doesnt give a whole tracking number, and doesnt give a proper zip code (both peculiarly off by a single digit. coincidence?) it almost ensures at least in his mind a justification of his actions.

So my question is was this his masterplan to cover his end of the deal the whole time and to justify what he always intended to do which was send the empty box or were there honest mistakes at play. Either way I cant hold the OP responsible for not living up to his end to the letter. Sometimes you can only do what you can do with what is given to you. One person has a history of shadiness. And the other does not. Looking at the sum of all the parts to this story its hard to come to any other conclusion. The ONLY thing having me cling to hope is that the accused is still active in the discussion. We will see what happens after the package is delivered. But had it been me that box wouldnt be getting delivered today.
 
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