Quartermaster has made an enemy (page 28 onward)

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Thomas Linton said:
He has a point -sorta. While there is direct evidence that Jared's company imports knives from overseas, that is only circumstantial evidence that Jared's company sold these knives in the U.S.

Of course, that circumstantial evidence is perfectly good in a court and can send a defendant to prison or execution seems to be something he missed.

"Shill: an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others." Pay is not required. But I have no evidence of close relationship between dkb and Jared.
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Sorta on some stuff. But yes, circumstantial evidence is still evidence and it is completely viable as a means of conviction. What is not circumstantial is a 3 story factory and museum not existing.
 
craytab said:
Sorta on some stuff. But yes, circumstantial evidence is still evidence and it is completely viable as a means of conviction. What is not circumstantial is a 3 story factory and museum not existing.
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It exists in jareds imagination! That counts... right?
 
Thomas Linton said:
He has a point -sorta. While there is direct evidence that Jared's company imports knives from overseas, that is only circumstantial evidence that Jared's company sold these knives in the U.S.

Of course, that circumstantial evidence is perfectly good in a court and can send a defendant to prison or execution seems to be something he missed.

"Shill: an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others." Pay is not required. But I have no evidence of close relationship between dkb and Jared.
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Yup. And given that we're dealing with a considerable amount of circumstantial evidence, absolutely no evidence has been produced to the contrary and that we absolutely are not dealing with a court of law, but rather the court of public opinion I would suggest that anyone who fails to look askance at Quartermaster's claims of national origin is either a shill or being deliberately obtuse.
 
Thomas Linton said:
He has a point -sorta. While there is direct evidence that Jared's company imports knives from overseas, that is only circumstantial evidence that Jared's company sold these knives in the U.S.

Of course, that circumstantial evidence is perfectly good in a court and can send a defendant to prison or execution seems to be something he missed.

"Shill: an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others." Pay is not required. But I have no evidence of close relationship between dkb and Jared.
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I actually was not aware of that definition or shill. I would still not be a shill when there is no direct evidence of fraud. I have no relationship to Jared, and find him to be a complete tool, but tools are used to make goods.

Finally somebody is admitting my point. There is not enough to prove Quartermaster is a fraud, there is enough to prove them too unsavory for people who find their designs to be crap anyways. If there was something solid and direct, I would gladly accept it and admit I have been wrong, but that has not happened. This looks like it can come from 2 sources right now, proving the company doesn't have licenses/permits to operate correctly, or Warren Thomas taking action for IP theft. Claiming they don't have permits or stole designs and doing nothing about it leaves it at wild claims, and little more than conspiracy.
 
dkb45 said:
I actually was not aware of that definition or shill. I would still not be a shill when there is no direct evidence of fraud. I have no relationship to Jared, and find him to be a complete tool, but tools are used to make goods.

Finally somebody is admitting my point. There is not enough to prove Quartermaster is a fraud, there is enough to prove them too unsavory for people who find their designs to be crap anyways. If there was something solid and direct, I would gladly accept it and admit I have been wrong, but that has not happened. This looks like it can come from 2 sources right now, proving the company doesn't have licenses/permits to operate correctly, or Warren Thomas taking action for IP theft. Claiming they don't have permits or stole designs and doing nothing about it leaves it at wild claims, and little more than conspiracy.
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So you accept an utter lack of evidence that they aren't committing fraud, but not the many, many pieces of circumstantial evidence that they are. Logic ain't your strong suit, is it?
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Yup. And given that we're dealing with a considerable amount of circumstantial evidence, absolutely no evidence has been produced to the contrary and that we absolutely are not dealing with a court of law, but rather the court of public opinion I would suggest that anyone who fails to look askance at Quartermaster's claims of national origin is either a shill or being deliberately obtuse.
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There's a few points of circumstantial evidence, not a considerable amount. I have one simple point of evidence that has still failed to be disproven, and that is the fact that operating without permits is illegal, claiming US made when it is not is illegal, and stealing IP is illegal. A bit ludicrous to think that a company with such a prolific and polarizing presence operating for 4 years could be blatantly breaking numerous laws without a single police or federal check.
 
dkb45 said:
There's a few points of circumstantial evidence, not a considerable amount. I have one simple point of evidence that has still failed to be disproven, and that is the fact that operating without permits is illegal, claiming US made when it is not is illegal, and stealing IP is illegal. A bit ludicrous to think that a company with such a prolific and polarizing presence operating for 4 years could be blatantly breaking numerous laws without a single police or federal check.
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Your faith in the system is adorable. As someone who runs a business the vast majority of this kind of thing is purely self reported and, despite the fact that you seem to think otherwise, Quartermaster is a very, very, very small fish in a very large pond. Essentially, your only evidence for a lack of fraud is that they haven't been caught yet and you question the evidence others in this thread have provided? I think I've been overestimating you.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Your faith in the system is adorable. As someone who runs a business the vast majority of this kind of thing is purely self reported and, despite the fact that you seem to think otherwise, Quartermaster is a very, very, very small fish in a very large pond. Essentially, your only evidence for a lack of fraud is that they haven't been caught yet and you question the evidence others in this thread have provided? I think I've been overestimating you.
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Your lack of faith in the system is disturbing. It sounds like you think laws are almost meaninglessness since they can't be enforced.
 
dkb45 said:
Your lack of faith in the system is disturbing. It sounds like you think laws are almost meaninglessness since they can't be enforced.
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This is a classic pro-counterfeits argument. Just because they haven't been caught doesn't mean they're legit. Really simple logic to understand. Where is that factory by the way?
 
dkb45 said:
Your lack of faith in the system is disturbing. It sounds like you think laws are almost meaninglessness since they can't be enforced.
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And now you're done incorrectly accusing others of logical fallacies and are ready to throw out some of your own! It's a very nice strawman you've constructed, but there's a whole lot of room between "All criminals are caught" (which, btw, is your default position if you accept Quartermaster not being caught as hard evidence they aren't criminals) and "laws are meaningless since they can't be enforced." We live in an imperfect world, Tiger, and the biggest knife companies are barely a blip on the radar of the finance world. That means they're far down the priority list for agencies with finite resources that must justify each investigation they perform.
 
In this day and age of laws , rules and strict regulations it's impossible for a USA knife factory to NOT have a digital trail of public record. I have no issue with Chinese manufactured knives but claiming they're manufactured in the USA when they're not does tick me off. The knife factory claimed to be located in Dripping Springs Tx is a straight up lie.
 
Essential to bringing legal recourse is a mandate that there were damages to an individual. In this case, none of us are that fricking stupid to buy a qtrmstr, so no one here has been wronged. We just need to find some of those dense ig pages with people posting blades they paid good money for and show them the evidence. It will just take one person, that's it. I'm going to start making more friends on the interweb!
 
Well cheers to you for getting a knife you truly enjoy. But the majority of us do not wish to purchase a knife because of the actions of Mr. West and of all the circumstantial evidence. That's enough for us and it's not enough for you which is fine. That's an amazing thing we take for granted...we have the freedom to make out own decisions.

Cheers that you love you knife but just because we decide not to buy them doesn't mean were wrong and the argument should end there. You're not in the wrong and neither are we. But it's just odd that you started this up again. You were more than aware how the majority felt the first time you brought this up... But, enjoy your knife. There'll be more for the others to buy since we aren't.
 
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dkb45 said:
This looks like it can come from 2 sources right now, proving the company doesn't have licenses/permits to operate correctly, or Warren Thomas taking action for IP theft. Claiming they don't have permits or stole designs and doing nothing about it leaves it at wild claims, and little more than conspiracy.
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Warren Thomas stated that he Quartermaster does not have the rights to his designs. Mr. Roper is CLEARLY his design.

The fact that he hasn't pursued this legally (for whatever reason) doesn't change this fact.

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tokerblue said:
Warren Thomas stated that he Quartermaster does not have the rights to his designs. Mr. Roper is CLEARLY his design.

The fact that he hasn't pursued this legally (for whatever reason) doesn't change this fact.

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See the thing is when somebody has stolen your IP and you decide to do notbing in return, it pretty clearly comes across that you don't care. If Warren doesn't care too much about his design, why should be bother?
 
what can he do tho? they are made in china.
plus theirs no phone number or address or factory for quarter masr
 
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