Quartermaster has made an enemy (page 28 onward)

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Yo Mama said:
This doesn't even count near an appology as you owe here. This is as ingenuine as you can get in an attempt to make amends.

On top of that the fact that lawyers cost money all the sudden change your mind? How foolish are you? And you still cant stop with the qm is a great business routine. Just can't help it can you?



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No, the fact that Warren Thomas isn't choosing to not pursue action, but he financially can't gets me. When you choose to screw somebody in a way that they can't pursue legal action to correct it, that bothers me.

I won't apologize for not taking shaky evidence as fact. That's what a natural skeptic does. I won't apologize for believing in the word of the law. I will apologize for not having all of the information concerning Warren Thomas. If the license was above board I would be very happy, because I love my Mr Roper, but since it isn't I will have to keep this knife as a remind that I am not perfect, and sometimes a few red flags can be enough, but won't stop me from believing the best until proven otherwise. I will admit when I am wrong, and I was wrong here. It happens.

I did admit much earlier that the whole Warren Thomas thing, if I had all of the information, could be the nail in the coffin. Turns out my suspicion was, unfortunately, correct. I love being right, and I don't like writing off a company that I like the designs from. Oh well, Quartermaster done goofed up.
 
dkb45 said:
No, the fact that Warren Thomas isn't choosing to not pursue action, but he financially can't gets me. When you choose to screw somebody in a way that they can't pursue legal action to correct it, that bothers me.

I won't apologize for not taking shaky evidence as fact. That's what a natural skeptic does. I won't apologize for believing in the word of the law. I will apologize for not having all of the information concerning Warren Thomas. If the license was above board I would be very happy, because I love my Mr Roper, but since it isn't I will have to keep this knife as a remind that I am not perfect, and sometimes a few red flags can be enough, but won't stop me from believing the best until proven otherwise. I will admit when I am wrong, and I was wrong here. It happens.

I did admit much earlier that the whole Warren Thomas thing, if I had all of the information, could be the nail in the coffin. Turns out my suspicion was, unfortunately, correct. I love being right, and I don't like writing off a company that I like the designs from. Oh well, Quartermaster done goofed up.
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You keep tying to ignore the fact that QTRM5TR is a brand, not a company. No such entity. Just a brand owned by Jared Wests's Copiouslty LLC.

Despite what it says at Jared's site, there is no "QTRM5TR EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURING" either as an entity or a registered brand. So it's hard to see how its "known worldwide"

GOOGLE:
No results found for "QTRM5TR EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURING"
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dkb45 said:
No, the fact that Warren Thomas isn't choosing to not pursue action, but he financially can't gets me. When you choose to screw somebody in a way that they can't pursue legal action to correct it, that bothers me.

I won't apologize for not taking shaky evidence as fact. That's what a natural skeptic does. I won't apologize for believing in the word of the law. I will apologize for not having all of the information concerning Warren Thomas. If the license was above board I would be very happy, because I love my Mr Roper, but since it isn't I will have to keep this knife as a remind that I am not perfect, and sometimes a few red flags can be enough, but won't stop me from believing the best until proven otherwise. I will admit when I am wrong, and I was wrong here. It happens.

I did admit much earlier that the whole Warren Thomas thing, if I had all of the information, could be the nail in the coffin. Turns out my suspicion was, unfortunately, correct. I love being right, and I don't like writing off a company that I like the designs from. Oh well, Quartermaster done goofed up.
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If you believe the best until proven otherwise you are, frankly, a very bad skeptic. A neutral, or null, hypothesis should essentially always be your default if you want to be a skeptic. Also the constant demands for irrefutable evidence? Exceptionally bad skepticism. There is easily enough evidence to stand as prima facie that Quartermaster is not operating above board.

And that's one of the biggest problems with Quartermaster. They're well aware of the controversy surrounding the origin of their knives, yet they've made essentially zero effort to provide counter-evidence. And the evidence wouldn't be at all difficult to provide. Hell, a factory tour video would immediately answer one of the, if not the single, biggest issues with their claims, the utter lack of any kind of facility where they say there should be one.

And that's one direct question I'll happily put to you. They say there is a manufacturing facility where there isn't one. If you are a skeptic, why doesn't that simple, irrefutable, piece of evidence seem to bother you?
 
Insipid Moniker said:
If you believe the best until proven otherwise you are, frankly, a very bad skeptic. A neutral, or null, hypothesis should essentially always be your default if you want to be a skeptic. Also the constant demands for irrefutable evidence? Exceptionally bad skepticism. There is easily enough evidence to stand as prima facie that Quartermaster is not operating above board.

And that's one of the biggest problems with Quartermaster. They're well aware of the controversy surrounding the origin of their knives, yet they've made essentially zero effort to provide counter-evidence. And the evidence wouldn't be at all difficult to provide. Hell, a factory tour video would immediately answer one of the, if not the single, biggest issues with their claims, the utter lack of any kind of facility where they say there should be one.

And that's one direct question I'll happily put to you. They say there is a manufacturing facility where there isn't one. If you are a skeptic, why doesn't that simple, irrefutable, piece of evidence seem to bother you?
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I guess the more technical term would be a skeptical optimist. I take unproven evidence with a grain of salt, and hold off on damning until there is irrefutable evidence. No, I don't think the burden of proof is on the people being called a liar, it is on the people who are claiming lies. There has been very little proof aside from the licences/permits and Warren Thomas to PROVE Quartermaster is not above board. Some shipments that are unlikely to account for all knives sold over years, some unknown connection to Jared West, or "pics or it didn't happen" mentality to the manufacturing... Those don't provide enough evidence to substantiate claims of fraud. If they do for you, then your bar for proof is entirely too low. If you just let it be enough for Quartermaster, then you are too grossly biased to not outwardly say so, masquerading sketchy evidence as fact and using your name as some kind of reinforcement on your claims is very scummy.

The fact that it took 20 pages to convince somebody who isn't a fanboy, but simply likes the company's products and isn't easily swayed should say something. If you think my requirement of hard evidence is being unnecessarily obtuse, then put me on ignore. My life is better off without easily swayed bandwagon haters and people who cannot accept their viewpoints being confronted. I kept discussion civil, if you will write somebody off for a disagreeing discussion then good riddance. Online forums are where different people of different walks of life and different views come together to talk about things. Not my fault if you need a safe space.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
And that's one direct question I'll happily put to you. They say there is a manufacturing facility where there isn't one. If you are a skeptic, why doesn't that simple, irrefutable, piece of evidence seem to bother you?
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He does not care.
 
dkb45 said:
The fact that it took 20 pages to convince somebody who isn't a fanboy, but simply likes the company's products and isn't easily swayed should say something.
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Always thinking about yourself. It wasn't for you snowflake. It was to warn people with a brain.


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dkb45 said:
No, the fact that Warren Thomas isn't choosing to not pursue action, but he financially can't gets me. When you choose to screw somebody in a way that they can't pursue legal action to correct it, that bothers me.
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Why would it matter whether or not Thomas has the financials to pursue a lawsuit? They stole his designs and didn't pay for them. My very first post in this thread stated so. In this day and age, you could have done the research on your own before throwing out claims that Thomas obviously didn't care that they stole his designs since he didn't pursue legal action.

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Warren Thomas Knives does not approve any reproduction of it's designs by Quartermaster Knives.
There was a limited arrangement under Mantis Knives with Jared West with the friction folder and coin knife, ANY and ALL other copied designs are NOT approved by WT. Thank you.
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dkb45 said:
I guess the more technical term would be a skeptical optimist. I take unproven evidence with a grain of salt, and hold off on damning until there is irrefutable evidence. No, I don't think the burden of proof is on the people being called a liar, it is on the people who are claiming lies. There has been very little proof aside from the licences/permits and Warren Thomas to PROVE Quartermaster is not above board. Some shipments that are unlikely to account for all knives sold over years, some unknown connection to Jared West, or "pics or it didn't happen" mentality to the manufacturing... Those don't provide enough evidence to substantiate claims of fraud. If they do for you, then your bar for proof is entirely too low. If you just let it be enough for Quartermaster, then you are too grossly biased to not outwardly say so, masquerading sketchy evidence as fact and using your name as some kind of reinforcement on your claims is very scummy.

The fact that it took 20 pages to convince somebody who isn't a fanboy, but simply likes the company's products and isn't easily swayed should say something. If you think my requirement of hard evidence is being unnecessarily obtuse, then put me on ignore. My life is better off without easily swayed bandwagon haters and people who cannot accept their viewpoints being confronted. I kept discussion civil, if you will write somebody off for a disagreeing discussion then good riddance. Online forums are where different people of different walks of life and different views come together to talk about things. Not my fault if you need a safe space.
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Your quartermaster, knock off, counterfeit safe place isn't here. Have you not seen your threads?
 
enough with the insults. Talk about the knives, not each other.
 
dkb45 said:
I guess the more technical term would be a skeptical optimist. I take unproven evidence with a grain of salt, and hold off on damning until there is irrefutable evidence. No, I don't think the burden of proof is on the people being called a liar, it is on the people who are claiming lies. There has been very little proof aside from the licences/permits and Warren Thomas to PROVE Quartermaster is not above board. Some shipments that are unlikely to account for all knives sold over years, some unknown connection to Jared West, or "pics or it didn't happen" mentality to the manufacturing... Those don't provide enough evidence to substantiate claims of fraud. If they do for you, then your bar for proof is entirely too low. If you just let it be enough for Quartermaster, then you are too grossly biased to not outwardly say so, masquerading sketchy evidence as fact and using your name as some kind of reinforcement on your claims is very scummy.

The fact that it took 20 pages to convince somebody who isn't a fanboy, but simply likes the company's products and isn't easily swayed should say something. If you think my requirement of hard evidence is being unnecessarily obtuse, then put me on ignore. My life is better off without easily swayed bandwagon haters and people who cannot accept their viewpoints being confronted. I kept discussion civil, if you will write somebody off for a disagreeing discussion then good riddance. Online forums are where different people of different walks of life and different views come together to talk about things. Not my fault if you need a safe space.
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You didn't answer my question. Please do.
 
He won't IM. That has been brought to his attention quite a while ago.
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dkb45 said:
I guess the more technical term would be "fantasist." I take unproven claims as true because it makes me feel good. I don't require evidence that a thing is true if I want it to be true and reject overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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so if you even admit the design was stolen, sure enough they are not made in the USA either even tho its plastered everywhere in qmasters advertising. also notice how Jared won't mention it here let alone sue anyone here for libel because he knows the truth and wouldn't pass muster in court.

you should sell your qmaster and buy a WEKnives or Rike or Reate. you will be more impressed and support original designs, and no false advertising and lies.
 
Representations of a speaker are for the speaker who made those representations to prove, not the listeners to the representations.

The only thing the listeners need to know or show, is that representations were made by the speaker.

If A says X occurs. It's not up to C to prove X occurred, as it's a statement made by A and for A to show.

This thread is ridiculous and pointless. That guy Jared said in that interview QM was also his brainchild evolved from Mantis that manufactured worldwide, ie. China, and the difference was that QM was supposed to be quality, top shelf, made in good ole USA. That's the big business spinoff idea.

OP even gives examples for this with Jared sharing address with importer of Chinese knives for that other guy.


QM are knives produced in China claimed made in USA. Just like the ones you xsn buy on Alibaba. Some Alibaba vendors even offer manufacturing services right in the listing, even stamp made in the USA for you. Everything is just promotional literature. Mostly fantasy here.

Nonsense.


On that note, Mad Dog is a genius.
 
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Mo2 said:
so if you even admit the design was stolen, sure enough they are not made in the USA either even tho its plastered everywhere in qmasters advertising. also notice how Jared won't mention it here let alone sue anyone here for libel because he knows the truth and wouldn't pass muster in court.

you should sell your qmaster and buy a WEKnives or Rike or Reate. you will be more impressed and support original designs, and no false advertising and lies.
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I won't sent my Mr Roper, because I made the mistake of not doing g the proper research before I got it. It is still a nice, well made knife, and I love it. The company is just crap, and I was wrong. It is a shame, because they have done me right and have a good product, but stealing is crap. Before you say "well you have supported counterfeits in the past", we are entitled to evolve out opinions, and I don't support counterfeits and haven't for a while, but I don't really care much about using designs if you use your branding (that happens too often in business to justify outrage over it). If they used the design and modified it, and didn't claim it was a collaboration then it would be more or less above board on this aspect. It doesn't fix the license/permit issue, or address the possible manufacturing issue (claim it is definitive as much as you want, it is not, there is no definite answer).

I won't buy a Rike, Reate, or WE until they make lefty models, though. That was one of the appeals of the Mr Roper. Yes, petty, but I don't like right hand clips.
 
I've visited 5 knife manufactures now in 3 states and you couldn't hide them if you tried and all of them basically beg you to come in and take a tour and will give you free stuff for doing it. This manufacturer offers (or at least did) offer tours and a knife museum, why is it so hard to get there? Why are there no pictures? Why has no one gone there when several members live in the area? Why can't I find it on Google or Maps? Why can't I find a phone number to call them and get directions? Why can't my cousin find it so I can take her stupid new husband there and pretend to like him when she literally drives around looking for it?

Either someone's lying or this is some crazy unresolved mystery of the modern age kinda like when planes disappear in the Bermuda Triangle without a trace.
 
R15K said:
I've visited 5 knife manufactures now in 3 states and you couldn't hide them if you tried and all of them basically beg you to come in and take a tour and will give you free stuff for doing it. This manufacturer offers (or at least did) offer tours and a knife museum, why is it so hard to get there? Why are there no pictures? Why has no one gone there when several members live in the area? Why can't I find it on Google or Maps? Why can't I find a phone number to call them and get directions? Why can't my cousin find it so I can take her stupid new husband there and pretend to like him when she literally drives around looking for it?

Either someone's lying or this is some crazy unresolved mystery of the modern age kinda like when planes disappear in the Bermuda Triangle without a trace.
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dkb45 said:
I won't sent my Mr Roper, because I made the mistake of not doing g the proper research before I got it. It is still a nice, well made knife, and I love it. The company is just crap, and I was wrong. It is a shame, because they have done me right and have a good product, but stealing is crap. Before you say "well you have supported counterfeits in the past", we are entitled to evolve out opinions, and I don't support counterfeits and haven't for a while, but I don't really care much about using designs if you use your branding (that happens too often in business to justify outrage over it). If they used the design and modified it, and didn't claim it was a collaboration then it would be more or less above board on this aspect. It doesn't fix the license/permit issue, or address the possible manufacturing issue (claim it is definitive as much as you want, it is not, there is no definite answer).

I won't buy a Rike, Reate, or WE until they make lefty models, though. That was one of the appeals of the Mr Roper. Yes, petty, but I don't like right hand clips.
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Classic. Still justifying knock offs in an apology for supporting knock offs.

Why the change of heart :rolleyes: when all this has been brought to your attention before?
 
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