Quartermaster knife woes

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Screwdriver said:
I have read all of the Quartermaster threads and most everything is just regurgitated info. Even the manifest from China to a company owned by Jared in Southern, CA as proof that Quartermaster knives are being imported. Well the company is near Mantis and could be a Mantis order. Jared could still be on Mantis's books. And if I am not mistaken aren't Mantis knives made in Taiwan and China and that is the connection? Basically, the only proof that has been shown, is not proof....just a guess. Not that I am going to buy one of their knives, but I have seen more positive customer service experiences with QM then negative. In fact they seem to have a similar record to companies like Spyderco.

Quatermaster may be a DBA and this is why it is hard to find who owns them and where they are. Until I see a valid business record showing that Jared owns Quartermaster, I'll just leave judgement to the armchair lynch squad. Basically until I see real proof....what is written all over Bladeforums is just flotsam.
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It's solid information I don't know what you mean by regurgitated. Once the damning evidence was found yeah everybody started discussing it. I don't know how much more evidence you need this company is full of it.
 
If my memory serves me correctly Jared also screwed his father over and his father exposed Jared for saying he owned and built mantis when it was his father who started mantis and built it up. Jared ran mantis into the ground and lied then stole designs and started quarter master knives selling stolen designs made in china.. hmm


But this is if my memory serves me correctly lol I'll use some Google fu later.
 
Screwdriver said:
I have read all of the Quartermaster threads and most everything is just regurgitated info. Even the manifest from China to a company owned by Jared in Southern, CA as proof that Quartermaster knives are being imported. Well the company is near Mantis and could be a Mantis order. Jared could still be on Mantis's books. And if I am not mistaken aren't Mantis knives made in Taiwan and China and that is the connection? Basically, the only proof that has been shown, is not proof....just a guess. Not that I am going to buy one of their knives, but I have seen more positive customer service experiences with QM then negative. In fact they seem to have a similar record to companies like Spyderco.

Quatermaster may be a DBA and this is why it is hard to find who owns them and where they are. Until I see a valid business record showing that Jared owns Quartermaster, I'll just leave judgement to the armchair lynch squad. Basically until I see real proof....what is written all over Bladeforums is just flotsam.
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I have never owned a Quartermaster knife and never will because I am totally convinced that they are lying about where their knives are made. They are not made in the USA, rather they are made in China. To anyone with an open mind and a willingness to examine the facts, this is pretty obvious. I actually followed the paper trail laid out in another thread about Quartermaster. The info is easy to find and the documentation is legit. Copiousity = Jared = Quartermaster imported knives (or at least knife parts) made in China. The quantity of knives is significant. Did he sell those knifes as Quartermaster? I cannot prove it, but to me it is the most logical answer. When you add in the mysterious QM factory (one that QM claims to own / control but that no one other than Jared has ever seen), the case against QM selling Chinese made knives and claiming they are made in the US becomes very compelling.

I'll also add that if this kind of rumor was floating around about Benchmade or Spyderco's made in the US products or CRK or any other legit company, they would make an immediate response. It would be direct and unequivocal. That is the way legitimate businesses operate. The fact that Jared never publicly responds to this is problematic to me. Con artists typically run from difficult questions, avoid addressing the holes in their story and instead focus on repeating their fraudulent pitch. It seems to me that this is exactly what Jared is doing.

On every thread about QM someone tries to defend them and say that nobody has proof. Franky, there is proof that he is committing fraud and nothing other than Jared's claims that his knives are made in the USA.

In light of everything, it is simple; QM / Jared is committing fraud.
 
Screwdriver said:
I have read all of the Quartermaster threads and most everything is just regurgitated info. Even the manifest from China to a company owned by Jared in Southern, CA as proof that Quartermaster knives are being imported. Well the company is near Mantis and could be a Mantis order. Jared could still be on Mantis's books. And if I am not mistaken aren't Mantis knives made in Taiwan and China and that is the connection? Basically, the only proof that has been shown, is not proof....just a guess. Not that I am going to buy one of their knives, but I have seen more positive customer service experiences with QM then negative. In fact they seem to have a similar record to companies like Spyderco.

Quatermaster may be a DBA and this is why it is hard to find who owns them and where they are. Until I see a valid business record showing that Jared owns Quartermaster, I'll just leave judgement to the armchair lynch squad. Basically until I see real proof....what is written all over Bladeforums is just flotsam.
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Interesting post, and I get the point about no proof. There is no proof either way about QM. A ton of people look at that as shady, while some just leave it what it is, an abyss. I have no dog in this fight I own no QM's, but comparing QM's CS to Spyderco's might just be a bit of a stretch....
 
ncrockclimb said:
I have never owned a Quartermaster knife and never will because I am totally convinced that they are lying about where their knives are made. They are not made in the USA, rather they are made in China. To anyone with an open mind and a willingness to examine the facts, this is pretty obvious. I actually followed the paper trail laid out in another thread about Quartermaster. The info is easy to find and the documentation is legit. Copiousity = Jared = Quartermaster imported knives (or at least knife parts) made in China. The quantity of knives is significant. Did he sell those knifes as Quartermaster? I cannot prove it, but to me it is the most logical answer. When you add in the mysterious QM factory (one that QM claims to own / control but that no one other than Jared has ever seen), the case against QM selling Chinese made knives and claiming they are made in the US becomes very compelling.

I'll also add that if this kind of rumor was floating around about Benchmade or Spyderco's made in the US products or CRK or any other legit company, they would make an immediate response. It would be direct and unequivocal. That is the way legitimate businesses operate. The fact that Jared never publicly responds to this is problematic to me. Con artists typically run from difficult questions, avoid addressing the holes in their story and instead focus on repeating their fraudulent pitch. It seems to me that this is exactly what Jared is doing.

On every thread about QM someone tries to defend them and say that nobody has proof. Franky, there is proof that he is committing fraud and nothing other than Jared's claims that his knives are made in the USA.

In light of everything, it is simple; QM / Jared is committing fraud.
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It doesn't actually have to be 'made in the USA' to be labelled 'made in the USA' parts made elsewhere but assemble here seems to be 'good enough'......

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/smallbusiness/made-in-usa-label/
 
Yo Mama said:
It's solid information I don't know what you mean by regurgitated. Once the damning evidence was found yeah everybody started discussing it. I don't know how much more evidence you need this company is full of it.
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Where is the solid evidence?
 
JR88FAN said:
It doesn't actually have to be 'made in the USA' to be labelled 'made in the USA' parts made elsewhere but assemble here seems to be 'good enough'......

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/smallbusiness/made-in-usa-label/
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Actually, although interesting, that is irrelevant to this issue. On their website Quartermaster claims "This is why all QTRM5TR knives, 100 percent of their components, even the boxes they're sold in are Made in the USA." No wiggle room for USA assembling of products made in China.
 
ncrockclimb said:
Actually, although interesting, that is irrelevant to this issue. On their website Quartermaster claims "This is why all QTRM5TR knives, 100 percent of their components, even the boxes they're sold in are Made in the USA." No wiggle room for USA assembling of products made in China.
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At least it was interesting!

Seems to be a lot of debate about what it 'say's on the QM site though....
 
Yo Mama said:
It's solid information I don't know what you mean by regurgitated. Once the damning evidence was found yeah everybody started discussing it. I don't know how much more evidence you need this company is full of it.
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shinyedges said:
If my memory serves me correctly Jared also screwed his father over and his father exposed Jared for saying he owned and built mantis when it was his father who started mantis and built it up. Jared ran mantis into the ground and lied then stole designs and started quarter master knives selling stolen designs made in china.. hmm


But this is if my memory serves me correctly lol I'll use some Google fu later.
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ncrockclimb said:
I have never owned a Quartermaster knife and never will because I am totally convinced that they are lying about where their knives are made. They are not made in the USA, rather they are made in China. To anyone with an open mind and a willingness to examine the facts, this is pretty obvious. I actually followed the paper trail laid out in another thread about Quartermaster. The info is easy to find and the documentation is legit. Copiousity = Jared = Quartermaster imported knives (or at least knife parts) made in China. The quantity of knives is significant. Did he sell those knifes as Quartermaster? I cannot prove it, but to me it is the most logical answer. When you add in the mysterious QM factory (one that QM claims to own / control but that no one other than Jared has ever seen), the case against QM selling Chinese made knives and claiming they are made in the US becomes very compelling.

I'll also add that if this kind of rumor was floating around about Benchmade or Spyderco's made in the US products or CRK or any other legit company, they would make an immediate response. It would be direct and unequivocal. That is the way legitimate businesses operate. The fact that Jared never publicly responds to this is problematic to me. Con artists typically run from difficult questions, avoid addressing the holes in their story and instead focus on repeating their fraudulent pitch. It seems to me that this is exactly what Jared is doing.

On every thread about QM someone tries to defend them and say that nobody has proof. Franky, there is proof that he is committing fraud and nothing other than Jared's claims that his knives are made in the USA.

In light of everything, it is simple; QM / Jared is committing fraud.
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Thanks in large part, to BladeForums many knowledgeable member's: I happily, don't own any Quartermaster knives, & I never will.
 
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JR88FAN said:
It doesn't actually have to be 'made in the USA' to be labelled 'made in the USA' parts made elsewhere but assemble here seems to be 'good enough'......

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/smallbusiness/made-in-usa-label/
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Actually what many here claim as QM knives being made in China, yet having a single part attached would not allow QM to say made in the US.

Specifically these lines.
For goods that have parts made in many different countries, the FTC relies on what it calls a "one step removed" rule.

For instance, if a shirt is made with fabric from overseas, but sewn together in the United States, it can't be labeled "Made in USA." (What some here claim QR is doing.)

But if a manufacturer uses U.S.-made fabric that is sewn together domestically using thread made overseas, it would be permitted to use the "Made in the USA" label. (this would apply only if QM bought fasteners from China, since the majority of the knife was manufactured from US sourced parts and assembled in the US.)

Companies that can't get all of their component parts domestically can use what the FTC calls qualified "Made in USA" claims, such as "Made in USA from imported parts" or "Assembled in the USA."
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If all of you feel that QM knives are truly made in China and they are lying....why don't you tip off the FCC. That would probably shut them down, and or change their claim of Made in USA.
 
ncrockclimb said:
Actually, although interesting, that is irrelevant to this issue. On their website Quartermaster claims "This is why all QTRM5TR knives, 100 percent of their components, even the boxes they're sold in are Made in the USA." No wiggle room for USA assembling of products made in China.
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If they were truly lying as people here claim....The fines for QM would be huge!
 
All this is making me want to buy a Quartermaster....I mean, I really have zero values which is why I own and EDC a Strider SnG and SmF.

Maybe I'll order this one tonight.

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Screwdriver said:
Actually what many here claim as QM knives being made in China, yet having a single part attached would not allow QM to say made in the US.

Specifically these lines.



If all of you feel that QM knives are truly made in China and they are lying....why don't you tip off the FCC. That would probably shut them down, and or change their claim of Made in USA.
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I don't feel they are made in China. I don't know for sure....
There are a lot of 'strange things' that surround QM as laid out in this thread.
That's all anyone really knows.
As far as what that means, maybe just some questions that need to be clarified on their part.

The 'accusations' didn't come from nowhere. When you start connecting dots, you put a picture together... Right or wrong, that's human nature. QM needs to help clarify some things. That would be a great start....
 
Since your on a roll buy Joe teti's knife from dual survival.
Screwdriver said:
All this is making me want to buy a Quartermaster....I mean, I really have zero values which is why I own and EDC a Strider SnG and SmF.

Maybe I'll order this one tonight.

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Screwdriver said:
All this is making me want to buy a Quartermaster....I mean, I really have zero values which is why I own and EDC a Strider SnG and SmF.

Maybe I'll order this one tonight.

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I guess I have Zero values too....SMF's everyday.
I get your point.
 
Thanks to threads like these helped me avoid buying or trading for this knife.

It is too bad that industrial retail leaders like Blade HQ refuses to lead the pack by not selling those brands. Instead, they rather just defend themselves while making a profit selling misleading products.

Why is HQ being put on the spot here
That's what we're wondering.

It feels like our reward for active participation in the knife community (traveling and filming at SHOT) is getting lambasted. Is our reward for not being judge and jury regarding Quartermaster is to be judged ourselves? I really don't get it. With so many other companies actively promoting and selling this brand I'm a little floored.

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If only those kinds of companies stop selling those products, it will put pressure on Quartermaster and perhaps help close their door.
 
Do an Internet search.

Quartermaster's address appears as 227 TURKEY DRIVE, Dripping Springs,TX 78620

EX: http://americanhandgunner.com/quartermaster-knives/
EX: http://www.knifesupply.com/quartermaster_knives.html

ED: In fact, the Quartermaster website once listed 227 Turkey Drive as its address. I have a screenshot that I may post if it seems worth it.

Here's a video tour of the factory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtis_yD-Yp0

It's for sale. You might want to buy it.

Our facility is state-of-the-art in every way, its been custom built from the ground up to accommodate nearly every process that a modern manufactory would/could use.

The 6-acre complex is under 24 hour surveillance using recently de-classified thermal imaging sensors.The 8,500 square foot facility is home to multiple design studios, think-tanks & a 3,000 sq ft shop floor. However, a medical-grade clean room and a 3 story-high knife museum with a biometric-scanner that allows/denies access are likely to be considered the highlights of our facility.
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ED: COPIOUSITY LLC, which received the shipment from Wayeah Knives in China, was a registered foreign company in California ( Recently expired) I'ts last address is - SURPRISE - 227 Turkey Drive.
It's principal is listed by the state of California as Jared West, who was also its registered agent. Jared West registered the website COPIOUSITY.COM.

COPIOUSITY, then addressed in Anaheim, CA, elsewhere listed itself as a knife importer and, in December, 2013, lists Mantis Knife, Inc. as the party to be notified of the arrival of a shipment of knives from SciKio in China.

While at 227 Turkey Run, COPIOUSITY imported another load of knives from China sold to COPIOUSITY by Mitsuboshi Cutlery in Japan.


And Jared has also done business as "The Mad Blacksmith." Haven't gone down that rabbit hole yet.
 
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Thomas Linton said:
Do an Internet search.

Quartermaster's address appears as 227 TURKEY DRIVE, Dripping Springs,TX 78620

EX: http://americanhandgunner.com/quartermaster-knives/
EX: http://www.knifesupply.com/quartermaster_knives.html

Here's a video tour of the factory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtis_yD-Yp0

It's for sale. You might want to buy it.
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You made me laugh so hard that I wont be able to work tomorrow!

Thanks bro, that was awesome. I guess this is what the 'modern American production facility' looks like these day.....
 
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